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Coors Guilty in Drunk Driving Death?

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A Reno woman has sued Coors Brewing Co. over her son's death in a traffic accident, claiming it promotes underage drinking.

In her lawsuit, Jodie Pisco contends Coors has failed in its duty to protect the country's youth from drinking. The suit seeks unspecified damages.

Her 19-year-old son, Ryan, was killed in March 2002 after he drank Coors at a party in Reno and drove his girlfriend's car into a light pole at 90 mph.

"They should be well aware that people under 21 are drinking Coors," said Ken McKenna, Jodie Pisco's lawyer. "They should be liable for the damage caused by underage drinking..."

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Hey, if gun maufacturers are to be sued for the criminal misuse of their legal products, then likewise, beer manufacturers ought to be sued for the criminal misuse of theirs!

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This is trying to use an extension of the tobacco rulings. They are trying to show that advertising is causing this stuff.

I'd personally love to be the Coors attorney defending this action. This is the reason why lawyers are not liked too much, and it's out of hand, in my view.


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I wasn't born in them, but what ever happened to the good old days, when sometime shit happened? Sometimes it was good, sometimes it was bad. Why is it that now when something happens it always has to be someones fault?! :( Maybe I should have been born 50 years ago.:S

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In the news:

A Reno woman has sued Coors Brewing Co. over her son's death in a traffic accident, claiming it promotes underage drinking.

In her lawsuit, Jodie Pisco contends Coors has failed in its duty to protect the country's youth from drinking. The suit seeks unspecified damages.

Her 19-year-old son, Ryan, was killed in March 2002 after he drank Coors at a party in Reno and drove his girlfriend's car into a light pole at 90 mph.

"They should be well aware that people under 21 are drinking Coors," said Ken McKenna, Jodie Pisco's lawyer. "They should be liable for the damage caused by underage drinking..."

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Hey, if gun maufacturers are to be sued for the criminal misuse of their legal products, then likewise, beer manufacturers ought to be sued for the criminal misuse of theirs!



It's a free country - you can sue anyone over anything. Doesn't mean you'll win unless a jury agrees with you.

I'd rather have this freedom than create a protected class of unsueable entities who can then be as irresponsible as they want.
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Frivolous lawsuits are ruining the nation's legal system.



Juries awarding large cash settlements have paved the way for frivolous lawsuits. Fix the jury problem and the frivolous lawsuits will follow.

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Frivolous lawsuits are ruining the nation's legal system.



Juries awarding large cash settlements have paved the way for frivolous lawsuits. Fix the jury problem and the frivolous lawsuits will follow.



true but how do we "fix" juries? put a cap on punitive damages? the judge has to approve the damages before it becomes legal? good luck getting those passed... the lawyers winning millions of dollars off frivolous lawsuits will make sure those kind of laws never pass.

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Frivolous lawsuits are ruining the nation's legal system.



Juries awarding large cash settlements have paved the way for frivolous lawsuits. Fix the jury problem and the frivolous lawsuits will follow.



true but how do we "fix" juries?



educate the citizens...
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It's a free country - you can sue anyone over anything. Doesn't mean you'll win unless a jury agrees with you.



Why are you against a reform law that says you can't sue a business for bad things that happen to you when there is an intervening criminal act?

If a drunk driver kills your son, it's not Chevy's fault, or Anheuser-Busch's fault. It's the drunk driver, and maybe whoever served him and/or let him drive.

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I'd rather have this freedom than create a protected class of unsueable entities who can then be as irresponsible as they want.



Who has ever tried to pass a law saying you can't sue them, ever? The Gun Suit bills didn't say that. The Fast Food bills don't say that. Show me when a bill was introduced that said you can't sue them, ever, for any actions.

We should have legislation from the legislature, not legislation from the bench. Welcome to Anglo common law and 200 years of jurisprudence.
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and maybe whoever served him and/or let him drive.



Unless the hypothetical bartender tied down the drunk and force fed him drinks, I wouldn't even go this far.

I'm very surprised you did.

Once you conceed this type of point, then someone else will continue to take it one step farther and then farther, ....

It's either personal responsibility or it's not.

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From memory, beer companies in the States urge their consumers to drink responsibly. Isn't that like a get out of jail free card to dissuade frivolous cases like this?
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true but how do we "fix" juries? put a cap on punitive damages? the judge has to approve the damages before it becomes legal? good luck getting those passed... the lawyers winning millions of dollars off frivolous lawsuits will make sure those kind of laws never pass.



It's a cultural problem, not a legal issue.

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and maybe whoever served him and/or let him drive.



Unless the hypothetical bartender tied down the drunk and force fed him drinks, I wouldn't even go this far.

I'm very surprised you did.

Once you conceed this type of point, then someone else will continue to take it one step farther and then farther, ....

It's either personal responsibility or it's not.



At some point, there was a law passed requiring bartenders to stop serving people when they are toasted. I was working on what the legal reality is, not what I think is right. Like you, I quesiton these laws, but there is a great deal of precedent to them. I think they work off of the facilitation of a crime idea.

These lawsuits, on the other hand, have no basis in American law.
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true but how do we "fix" juries? put a cap on punitive damages? the judge has to approve the damages before it becomes legal? good luck getting those passed... the lawyers winning millions of dollars off frivolous lawsuits will make sure those kind of laws never pass.



It's a cultural problem, not a legal issue.

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Make losing plaintiffs pay the defendants' costs. That will stop many if not all of the frivolous suits.
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This woman, for her feeble attempt to shift the true blame from her son to the company that is not truly culpable, should be taken out back, shot by people who illegally possess "semi-automatic assault weapons," and then run over by drunk drivers in unregistered automobiles.

Really, though, this is disgusting. It's an extension of the bullshit tobacco and gun lawsuits.

A WARNING:
No matter WHAT industry you are in, YOU SHOULD OPPOSE THE TYPE OF LAWSUIT THAT SEEKS TO HOLD MANUFACTURERS LIABLE FOR THE MISDEEDS, ACCIDENTS, OR ILLEGAL ACTS OF OTHERS.

We who have been in the corner of the gun manufacturers against the reckless and frivolous lawsuits against them have been telling those in other industries that "YOU ARE NEXT." If this kind of bullshit lawsuit is allowed to succeed, it will open the floodgates to sue ANY industry for ANYONE'S actions. Someone's skull is bashed in with a baseball bat? Sue Louisville Slugger. Someone is cut with a pocket knife at an ATM robbery? Sue Victorinox. Someone runs a stop sign and runs an old lady down? Sue Chevrolet. Someone gets too fat eating six TV dinners a day? Sue Swanson. Someone is stabbed with a sharpened screwdriver? Sue Craftsman.

It is coming.
And it will come because everyone said they didn't care that the legal precedent was established because the judgments were against unpopular industries like tobacco and guns. The attitude is "who gives a shit, those manufacturers are scumbags." What these idiots don't realize is that the legal precedent goes wider than just against those two industries, and eventually will be used to sue ALL industries.

This is BULLSHIT. The lawyers know it. The judges know it. The juries know it. The plaintiffs know it. Anyone who is honest knows it. But eeeeeveryone involved is in it for the fast buck. Everyone thinks that the money to pay these judgments comes from some magic fountain. And NO ONE believes in individual personal responsibility anymore. After all, it precludes the means to sue to get rich, so it's something they don't want to think about or insist upon.

Well, a lot of people have stood by, smugly laughing while the gun manufacturers have been victimized by predatory lawsuits perpetrated by predatory mayors and DAs and greedy trial lawyers -- even though the cases have never had any commonlaw legal merit. Now those people will begin to see the price of their smugness and their apathy, because these bullshit lawsuits are coming their way. Now it's OUR turn to be smug and say, "We fuckin' told you so, and you said, 'Nah nah it's only the gun companies.' " Well, we fuckin' told you so.
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