WFFC 1 #301 May 19, 2004 QuoteWe learned that you can win that battle by not fighting it. Let's hope we remember that lesson before it's too late. That was a 'war' between two countries though. This is between a country and what it stands for and a set of ideas. The cold war was a battle on how close to the line you could get without really pissing the other off too much. This is a completely different 'enemy' with no country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #302 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote> BTW I just got a call back to Active duty. My son has just been recalled from 2nd Inf (Korea) to go to Iraq. My significant other's brother is currently over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,996 #303 May 19, 2004 >That was a 'war' between two countries though. This is between a >country and what it stands for and a set of ideas. Really not too much difference between the two. Remember all the scary stories about how communism was going to take over and destroy the world? Substitute terrorism for communism and you could take any McCarthy speech of the 1950's and turn it into a Bush speech. The communists/terrorists hate freedom, they will stop at nothing to achieve their nefarious ends, we must stand strong against them etc. >The cold war was a battle on how close to the line you could get >without really pissing the other off too much. Same thing here to an extent. If we kill enough innocent Iraqis there will be a revolt, and we can either "win" that civil war (and become Saddam Hussein in the process) or we can withdraw and "lose" it. So we have to strike a balance between killing too many people and not doing anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #304 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote> BTW I just got a call back to Active duty. My son has just been recalled from 2nd Inf (Korea) to go to Iraq. I don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #305 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> BTW I just got a call back to Active duty. My son has just been recalled from 2nd Inf (Korea) to go to Iraq. I don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks. Whoever would have thought that being by the DMZ would be a preferable billet?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #306 May 20, 2004 QuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I still may not be going. I became Diabetic while I was Active (I have no idea how that happened). I ended up finishing my active time instead of getting a Medical Discharge just by the fact that my separation date was a few mths away by the time they finally realized I was Diabetic. They wanted to hold me in just to Med me...Thats right, they wanted to make me stay in longer so they could kick me out for being a Diabetic. I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... Anyway, I am now in the process of a Medical Discharge from the Reserves. It seems that in the Army that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing... So in this case I have one letter telling me I'm getting called up, and another saying I should get my Medical Discharge anyday. Either way it does not matter. What is, is."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Luv2Fall 0 #307 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... A true rarity these days.......speaks volumes of both your character and values. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #308 May 20, 2004 What is DMZ? ? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckbrown 0 #309 May 20, 2004 Quote What is DMZ? ? DeMilitarized Zone. The no-man's land between North & South Korea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #310 May 20, 2004 QuoteDeMilitarized Zone. Danke, thx dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #311 May 21, 2004 QuoteWhat is DMZ? I'd add it's about 1 kilometer wide in most places. Both sides have permanant positions dug in and are ready for war at a moments notice. Time in Korea at the DMZ is counted down every day like time left itll you get released from jail. You serve about a year there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #312 May 21, 2004 Understand. This place seems not to be first choice for soldiers to be stationed. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #313 May 21, 2004 Yea but why is there less in Israel? Because the Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country. Because the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? Also sucide bombings have increased if you look not only at Israel. You know better than to belive that people were blowing themselves up just for money. If security became more lax there would be a wave of suicide bombings like never seen before. Sadam made no difference to this senario.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #314 May 21, 2004 you pretty much do my job for me... Quotethe Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country they cant be in Tel-aviv any more than i can visit gaza. QuoteBecause the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? mostly because all of the above. which means "all of the above" works, which is why we do it even if it hurts normal palestinians too. before they started blowing up (not that they ever really stopped), they could move freely, there were not offensive actions against their leaders and there was no security fence (its only a "frickin big wall" where its near a major road or city, which is not a lot) so no, they are not blowing up for money, and removing SH wont stop it, but it helps along with the rest of the things you've mentioned yourself. whats funny is that you've listed them as "bad things" but you admit yourself that these are what actually did the job... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #315 May 21, 2004 They are bad things. Yes they are stopping (for the moment) other bad things but at what human cost? Is this the way you want your children to live in future? There has to be another way.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #316 May 21, 2004 QuoteIs this the way you want your children to live in future no, and i hope this madness will stop. but at least they WILL live. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next Page 13 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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billvon 2,996 #303 May 19, 2004 >That was a 'war' between two countries though. This is between a >country and what it stands for and a set of ideas. Really not too much difference between the two. Remember all the scary stories about how communism was going to take over and destroy the world? Substitute terrorism for communism and you could take any McCarthy speech of the 1950's and turn it into a Bush speech. The communists/terrorists hate freedom, they will stop at nothing to achieve their nefarious ends, we must stand strong against them etc. >The cold war was a battle on how close to the line you could get >without really pissing the other off too much. Same thing here to an extent. If we kill enough innocent Iraqis there will be a revolt, and we can either "win" that civil war (and become Saddam Hussein in the process) or we can withdraw and "lose" it. So we have to strike a balance between killing too many people and not doing anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #304 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote> BTW I just got a call back to Active duty. My son has just been recalled from 2nd Inf (Korea) to go to Iraq. I don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #305 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> BTW I just got a call back to Active duty. My son has just been recalled from 2nd Inf (Korea) to go to Iraq. I don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks. Whoever would have thought that being by the DMZ would be a preferable billet?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #306 May 20, 2004 QuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I still may not be going. I became Diabetic while I was Active (I have no idea how that happened). I ended up finishing my active time instead of getting a Medical Discharge just by the fact that my separation date was a few mths away by the time they finally realized I was Diabetic. They wanted to hold me in just to Med me...Thats right, they wanted to make me stay in longer so they could kick me out for being a Diabetic. I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... Anyway, I am now in the process of a Medical Discharge from the Reserves. It seems that in the Army that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing... So in this case I have one letter telling me I'm getting called up, and another saying I should get my Medical Discharge anyday. Either way it does not matter. What is, is."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Luv2Fall 0 #307 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... A true rarity these days.......speaks volumes of both your character and values. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #308 May 20, 2004 What is DMZ? ? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckbrown 0 #309 May 20, 2004 Quote What is DMZ? ? DeMilitarized Zone. The no-man's land between North & South Korea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #310 May 20, 2004 QuoteDeMilitarized Zone. Danke, thx dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #311 May 21, 2004 QuoteWhat is DMZ? I'd add it's about 1 kilometer wide in most places. Both sides have permanant positions dug in and are ready for war at a moments notice. Time in Korea at the DMZ is counted down every day like time left itll you get released from jail. You serve about a year there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #312 May 21, 2004 Understand. This place seems not to be first choice for soldiers to be stationed. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #313 May 21, 2004 Yea but why is there less in Israel? Because the Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country. Because the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? Also sucide bombings have increased if you look not only at Israel. You know better than to belive that people were blowing themselves up just for money. If security became more lax there would be a wave of suicide bombings like never seen before. Sadam made no difference to this senario.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #314 May 21, 2004 you pretty much do my job for me... Quotethe Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country they cant be in Tel-aviv any more than i can visit gaza. QuoteBecause the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? mostly because all of the above. which means "all of the above" works, which is why we do it even if it hurts normal palestinians too. before they started blowing up (not that they ever really stopped), they could move freely, there were not offensive actions against their leaders and there was no security fence (its only a "frickin big wall" where its near a major road or city, which is not a lot) so no, they are not blowing up for money, and removing SH wont stop it, but it helps along with the rest of the things you've mentioned yourself. whats funny is that you've listed them as "bad things" but you admit yourself that these are what actually did the job... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #315 May 21, 2004 They are bad things. Yes they are stopping (for the moment) other bad things but at what human cost? Is this the way you want your children to live in future? There has to be another way.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #316 May 21, 2004 QuoteIs this the way you want your children to live in future no, and i hope this madness will stop. but at least they WILL live. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next Page 13 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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kallend 2,027 #305 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> BTW I just got a call back to Active duty. My son has just been recalled from 2nd Inf (Korea) to go to Iraq. I don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks. Whoever would have thought that being by the DMZ would be a preferable billet?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #306 May 20, 2004 QuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I still may not be going. I became Diabetic while I was Active (I have no idea how that happened). I ended up finishing my active time instead of getting a Medical Discharge just by the fact that my separation date was a few mths away by the time they finally realized I was Diabetic. They wanted to hold me in just to Med me...Thats right, they wanted to make me stay in longer so they could kick me out for being a Diabetic. I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... Anyway, I am now in the process of a Medical Discharge from the Reserves. It seems that in the Army that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing... So in this case I have one letter telling me I'm getting called up, and another saying I should get my Medical Discharge anyday. Either way it does not matter. What is, is."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Luv2Fall 0 #307 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... A true rarity these days.......speaks volumes of both your character and values. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #308 May 20, 2004 What is DMZ? ? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckbrown 0 #309 May 20, 2004 Quote What is DMZ? ? DeMilitarized Zone. The no-man's land between North & South Korea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #310 May 20, 2004 QuoteDeMilitarized Zone. Danke, thx dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #311 May 21, 2004 QuoteWhat is DMZ? I'd add it's about 1 kilometer wide in most places. Both sides have permanant positions dug in and are ready for war at a moments notice. Time in Korea at the DMZ is counted down every day like time left itll you get released from jail. You serve about a year there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #312 May 21, 2004 Understand. This place seems not to be first choice for soldiers to be stationed. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #313 May 21, 2004 Yea but why is there less in Israel? Because the Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country. Because the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? Also sucide bombings have increased if you look not only at Israel. You know better than to belive that people were blowing themselves up just for money. If security became more lax there would be a wave of suicide bombings like never seen before. Sadam made no difference to this senario.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #314 May 21, 2004 you pretty much do my job for me... Quotethe Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country they cant be in Tel-aviv any more than i can visit gaza. QuoteBecause the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? mostly because all of the above. which means "all of the above" works, which is why we do it even if it hurts normal palestinians too. before they started blowing up (not that they ever really stopped), they could move freely, there were not offensive actions against their leaders and there was no security fence (its only a "frickin big wall" where its near a major road or city, which is not a lot) so no, they are not blowing up for money, and removing SH wont stop it, but it helps along with the rest of the things you've mentioned yourself. whats funny is that you've listed them as "bad things" but you admit yourself that these are what actually did the job... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #315 May 21, 2004 They are bad things. Yes they are stopping (for the moment) other bad things but at what human cost? Is this the way you want your children to live in future? There has to be another way.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #316 May 21, 2004 QuoteIs this the way you want your children to live in future no, and i hope this madness will stop. but at least they WILL live. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next Page 13 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Ron 10 #306 May 20, 2004 QuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I still may not be going. I became Diabetic while I was Active (I have no idea how that happened). I ended up finishing my active time instead of getting a Medical Discharge just by the fact that my separation date was a few mths away by the time they finally realized I was Diabetic. They wanted to hold me in just to Med me...Thats right, they wanted to make me stay in longer so they could kick me out for being a Diabetic. I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... Anyway, I am now in the process of a Medical Discharge from the Reserves. It seems that in the Army that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing... So in this case I have one letter telling me I'm getting called up, and another saying I should get my Medical Discharge anyday. Either way it does not matter. What is, is."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #307 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't believe in God, but here are some vibes to keep your son Kallend and you Ron alive and well over there. Thanks... I didn't want to be a non-deployable broke dick just taking oxygen, a billet, and a space on a company roster. So I waived my future benefits to being medically retired in favor of just finishing my time honorably..... A true rarity these days.......speaks volumes of both your character and values. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #308 May 20, 2004 What is DMZ? ? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #309 May 20, 2004 Quote What is DMZ? ? DeMilitarized Zone. The no-man's land between North & South Korea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #310 May 20, 2004 QuoteDeMilitarized Zone. Danke, thx dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #311 May 21, 2004 QuoteWhat is DMZ? I'd add it's about 1 kilometer wide in most places. Both sides have permanant positions dug in and are ready for war at a moments notice. Time in Korea at the DMZ is counted down every day like time left itll you get released from jail. You serve about a year there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #312 May 21, 2004 Understand. This place seems not to be first choice for soldiers to be stationed. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #313 May 21, 2004 Yea but why is there less in Israel? Because the Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country. Because the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? Also sucide bombings have increased if you look not only at Israel. You know better than to belive that people were blowing themselves up just for money. If security became more lax there would be a wave of suicide bombings like never seen before. Sadam made no difference to this senario.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #314 May 21, 2004 you pretty much do my job for me... Quotethe Palastinians are virtual prisoners in their own country they cant be in Tel-aviv any more than i can visit gaza. QuoteBecause the IDF have steped up security even further and gone on the offensive. Hamas has been decapitated twice. Because of that frickin big wall. Now what do you think might be the reason that there are less suicide bombings in Israel? Becasue of all the above or because Sadam has been caught? mostly because all of the above. which means "all of the above" works, which is why we do it even if it hurts normal palestinians too. before they started blowing up (not that they ever really stopped), they could move freely, there were not offensive actions against their leaders and there was no security fence (its only a "frickin big wall" where its near a major road or city, which is not a lot) so no, they are not blowing up for money, and removing SH wont stop it, but it helps along with the rest of the things you've mentioned yourself. whats funny is that you've listed them as "bad things" but you admit yourself that these are what actually did the job... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #315 May 21, 2004 They are bad things. Yes they are stopping (for the moment) other bad things but at what human cost? Is this the way you want your children to live in future? There has to be another way.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #316 May 21, 2004 QuoteIs this the way you want your children to live in future no, and i hope this madness will stop. but at least they WILL live. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
