Al-Qaeda BEHEADED U.S. Contractor

[kallend 2,027]

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I watched the video this morning....it is chilling to the bone...and then some. awefull awefull and worse. I think if they would have been more carefull at the prison this wouldn't of been so blatant....but then again they are savages over there as it is..so who knows...

The US took it's eye off the ball when it invaded Iraq under a pretext that was bogus. In doing so the real enemy, Al Qaeda, has been strengthened rather than weakened.

Anyone who couldn't see a horrible mess coming out of the Iraq war had to have been blind.

Bush has simply pissed away every shred of goodwill the US had after 9/11.

And we will be paying for Bush's war for generations.

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[turtlespeed 221]

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Then why wasn't there as much talk about this incident on the news as there was about our abusing the prisoners

Over here in the UK this has had huge amounts of air time and most of the front pages, aren't we supposed to be more left wing than the US?

Does the UK have a vote come time to elect Bush again?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,497]

I'm just saying I find it hard to believe there hasn't been much press coverage in the US. You might want to look at kallends post.
However we also have a leader who pushed for war, his position is starting to look vulnerable.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[turtlespeed 221]

I flipped and flipped through channels last night looking for any indication or discussion of what happened until 100pm last night. The only one that had any "discussion" or analysis was Fox - It was mentioned on ABC - and CBS - NBC didn't have anything I saw - I watched all three's teaser for the evening news and saw NOTHING -

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhino 0]

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I don't here you crying out for CNN etc to give equal airtime to the deaths

This isn't just a DEATH you jackass.. This was COLD BLOODED TERROR AND MURDER!!

These same fucks are using the very women and children you speak of as human shields.. Pull your head out of your ass!

Rhino

[rhino 0]

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So, I watched the video to know my enemy. My enemy has no soul. There is no reasoning. No negotiating. To fight him, you have to be ruthless, ferocious if you are to have a chance of surviving. When they strike, I will not see it coming. But I must be mentally ready to meet the aggression. They need no excuse to attack me other than they just hate all westerners and infidels. I have done nothing to them personally.

I agree with your post 100%.... Right on..

[livendive 8]

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I flipped and flipped through channels last night looking for any indication or discussion of what happened until 100pm last night. The only one that had any "discussion" or analysis was Fox - It was mentioned on ABC - and CBS - NBC didn't have anything I saw - I watched all three's teaser for the evening news and saw NOTHING -

Starting at 10:00, I watched this subject on Fox News for 10 minutes, until they switched to a different topic, then CNN where they covered it for another 20 or so. CNN "expert analysis" of the prison abuse stuff followed the beheading stuff and last about 10 minutes.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[rhino 0]

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You mean, like, judge all of them based on the disgusting actions of a few sadist nutcases?

We have dropped 2 nukes in on cities. Why do you think that happened? And did it end the war?

Pull the troops... BOOM.. Bye bye Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.. Anyone else wants to be a bunch of fucking whining little children BOOM.. Tired of this shit.. Some drastic measures should be taken..

GLASS FUCKING PARKING LOT!!!

They would do it to us if they had the chance... I'm so pissed off about that fucking video I can see red...

Rhino

[billvon 2,996]

>Seriously, though, how does this not outrage the entire world? Are
> there civilized people out there that think this is acceptible?

It is outrageous; Arabs throughout the Middle East are outraged. It's completely unacceptable. So is torturing innocent people.

The answer to an outrage like this is to find the people who did this and either arrest or kill them; I'd prefer the latter but that's really up to the Iraqis. Becoming as bad as they are is not the answer.

[rhino 0]

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However we also have a leader who pushed for war, his position is starting to look vulnerable.

Enough.

[billvon 2,996]

>I flipped and flipped through channels last night looking for any
>indication or discussion of what happened until 100pm last night.

Lead story on NBC local news last night.
Lead story on NPR this morning.
Lead story on CNN 3pm yesterday.

You have to get a better remote control!

[billvon 2,996]

>In a simple answer - no - (It would be yes if he was still a prisoner) -
> but at the time of the video being released - he was dead and no
> longer a prisoner.

So you would you be OK with the US media posting pictures of the people we tortured and later killed? A strange position.

[Casurf1978 0]

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I guess I just have to comment here. I am not replying to anyone here. I don't suggest that we kill them all or pull out completely immediately.

I watched the video for a reason. Know thy enemy. I fly for the airlines. 4 airliners were hi-jacked and flown as weapons to create destruction on the ground. These terrorists never do things just once. Look how many suicide bombers they've used over the years. Doesn't matter if they miss everyone. They keep doing it. So, I suspect they will try to do hi-jackings again.

So, I watched the video to know my enemy. My enemy has no soul. There is no reasoning. No negotiating. To fight him, you have to be ruthless, ferocious if you are to have a chance of surviving. When they strike, I will not see it coming. But I must be mentally ready to meet the aggression. They need no excuse to attack me other than they just hate all westerners and infidels. I have done nothing to them personally.

As I watched the video my brain actually burned. I've never had that sensation before. It might have been anger but it wasn't rage. It actually felt like it was burning. A very odd sensation. I felt ill to my stomach as there was nothing I could do to stop what happened. It wasn't happening live. It was a recording. I thought that I would probably watch it twice to internalize it. But really, once was enough.

I think all Americans should watch the video. They need to know exactly what Al Qaeda is capable of. There is no negotiating with them. They must be found and taken out of circulation so they can't do any more harm to the public. They are ruthless and an abomination to Islam.

I guess that's about all I have to say now.

I agree with you 110%. Know your enemy. I havent seen the video nor will see it (out of respect for the mans family and him). But I know what AQ is, saw it on 9-11. Obviously we the USA still do not understand them or how the operate. AQ is a new threat that needs to be dealt with in unconventional ways. Not by invading a country or dropping a nuclear weapon or saying "death to all muslims", and screw Islam. If you believe that well then AQ already has an upper hand on you. AQ knows us, they know what infuriates us, they know were to strike so that our emotions overcome our reasoning. AQ is not a group of thugs from the streets, it's an organization run by extremely intelligent men with a global reach and a huge bank account. It knows how to adapt to new threats, take advantage and exploit opportunities that arise. It's already reared its ugly head in Thailand, Malaysia, and southeast asia where it can spread it influence to radical groups. Look at Bali in Oct 02 or was it 03. An ancient Chinese general said "Know your enemy, know yourself, 100 battles, 100 victories."

[turtlespeed 221]

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>In a simple answer - no - (It would be yes if he was still a prisoner) -
> but at the time of the video being released - he was dead and no
> longer a prisoner.

So you would you be OK with the US media posting pictures of the people we tortured and later killed? A strange position.

No. I would not be OK with it - I just think that the charges would be different -
Like for instance, is loitering the same as armed robbery? Closer comparison - would you charge a kidnapper with murder if the victim still lived?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,996]

>>So Turtlespeed, I have to ask - do you feel Tunaplanet should be
>>considered liable for a violation of the Geneva Convention for
>> posting that video, as you claimed in the "geneva convention" thread?

>In a simple answer - no . . .

Flip

>>So you would you be OK with the US media posting pictures of
>>the people we tortured and later killed?
>No. I would not be OK with it -

Flop

[jakee 1,497]

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However we also have a leader who pushed for war, his position is starting to look vulnerable.

Only if you are a blind idiot...

Oh come on, you can't say that things aren't begining to stick to Teflon Tony.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skymedic 0]

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The US took it's eye off the ball when it invaded Iraq under a pretext that was bogus. In doing so the real enemy, Al Qaeda, has been strengthened rather than weakened.

Anyone who couldn't see a horrible mess coming out of the Iraq war had to have been blind.

Bush has simply pissed away every shred of goodwill the US had after 9/11.

And we will be paying for Bush's war for generations.

Agreed...I saw nothing but bad before he invaded and nothing but bad for the future after he invaded. I am a republican...but after MrBush did what he did...I can't in good faith support that man.

Marc
otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman....

[jakee 1,497]

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We have dropped 2 nukes in on cities. Why do you think that happened? And did it end the war?

That was in a war against a country with a legitimate government and a regular army. Not a nebulous terrorist organisation that operates all over the world.

Back then we also made Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin, the Rhone valley and various other areas into pretty nasty places to live. It was a different war in a different time with different objectives.

It also had a whole lot less visual press coverage. I wonder how you'd feel in the months after with non stop images of radiation victims crowding the hospitals in surrounding countries, assuming there are any left. What about in 9 months, a years time when radiation babies around the world are born deformed.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[livendive 8]

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These same fucks are using the very women and children you speak of as human shields.. Pull your head out of your ass!

Photographic proof of an Iraqi using a child as a shield attached.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[rehmwa 2]

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>>So Turtlespeed, I have to ask - do you feel Tunaplanet should be
>>considered liable for a violation of the Geneva Convention for
>> posting that video, as you claimed in the "geneva convention" thread?

>In a simple answer - no . . .

Flip

>>So you would you be OK with the US media posting pictures of
>>the people we tortured and later killed?
>No. I would not be OK with it -

Flop

I'm not following this much, but what a funny comparison.

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[turtlespeed 221]

Perhaps you could explain further.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhino 0]

That photo proves nothing other than you found a photo..

[billvon 2,996]

>Perhaps you could explain further.

Rather than try to explain your ideas to you, I will ask you for them.

Is it OK for US news services to show pictures of people we tortured and killed?

Is it OK for someone to show a video of an american being tortured and killed?

[catfishhunter 2]

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That was wrong...

We should drop the largest hydrogen bomb known to man on that fucking place.. Pull the troops.. and BOOM!!! Glass parking lot!!

Those coward, bastard mother fuckers!!!!

Let the fucking Marines Loose!!! Fuck those assholes!!!

DITTO!

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[bodypilot90 0]

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Actually, when the abuse came out, some did blame "the US military" and "it went all the way to the top".

yep so true.

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When the beheading happened, some did blame the entire Muslim culture.

The key word here is 'some'. There will always be knee jerk reactions and overly simplified reaction statements.

the only good that could come to this is to remind the same people who rant and rave from the left about how bad we are, that We are at war with shitheads like this. Not the everyday iraqi or Muslim. However the shitheads that do not only this but in this group, plo and other others can only be stopped with death. I do not think nuking iraq is the answer but we must act proactivly which is going to piss off the same people.