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I am not racist - I don't pay attention to what a person's skin color is or their religion or sexual preference or.... I pay attention to how someone treats me and others.

Lady Skydive...... Nice - sounds like "someone's" "dream". Hint - his initial are MLK

Funny, whenever I express that same sentiment today, certain people cry 'naive!'

In the meantime, I'll hire and fire, make friends, make enemies, and otherwise evaluate people by their actions and the 'content of their character'.

Edit: the rest of you can argue with Ron all you want, but I don't understand how anyone can disagree with a simple statement of - "agree to the rules and live by them". Any deviation from that is special treatment of one kind or another. And that's the whole issue isn't it?

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Lady Skydive...... Nice - sounds like "someone's" "dream".

Well...I had a dream.

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Hint - his initial are MLK.

Yeah...I know.

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Funny, whenever I express that same sentiment today, certain people cry 'naive!'

Naive? Ooookkkkk...I can't see how someone would think that evaulating a person on how they act and treat others is naive. Maybe the real issue with people who say that is they actually do judge a person by factor's such as race, etc.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

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>All I know is that the law was followed in both cases.

That's fine. But then you have to also be fine with the majority NOT ruling.

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That's fine. But then you have to also be fine with the majority NOT ruling.

Well with the Bush thing...Like I said you don't like it??? Try and get rid of it. But I didn't hear the Dems crying when it worked for them, only when it worked against them.

You have a problem with Democracy? Cause thats what this was plain and simple

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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>You have a problem with Democracy? Cause thats what this was plain
>and simple.

No it's not. A democracy is where people vote on everything. A republic is a representative government where we vote for senators, congressmen, electors etc and THEY vote on laws, who gets elected president etc. We have a hybrid of the two, but in many cases (like presidential elections) the process is NOT democratic. That's not bad or good, it's just the way it is.

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Doesn't this sound an awful lot like the "mob rules" concept Republicans were railing against when Gore won the popular vote?

All I know is that the law was followed in both cases.

I agree. I was just pointing out that your statements would seem to put you on the "popular vote" side if applied to the electoral college debate. That's my position as well, regardless of whether my guy wins or loses. I think that a single person's vote in Idaho ought to carry the exact same weight as an individual's vote in California.

Blues,
Dave

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I agree. I was just pointing out that your statements would seem to put you on the "popular vote" side if applied to the electoral college debate. That's my position as well, regardless of whether my guy wins or loses. I think that a single person's vote in Idaho ought to carry the exact same weight as an individual's vote in California.

And I also agree with that...However it was not that way based off of the impossibility of pulling it off...Even today I don't think its possible. Just look at the American Idol BS

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I have a hard time even with the notion that the residents of a city should decide on a street name. It costs them nothing, but for those on the street in question, it is a non trivial cost. Businesses need to redo their ads, stationary, business cards, etc.

Personally I'd prefer these historical recognitions to be done to a different target, or to new expressways and streets.

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Turn the MLK (Dr./Blvd./St.) and Black History Month into a White History Month or **insert white man's name here** Dr./Blvd./St. and talk about an uproar! Yesh!

I think what you fail to understand is the reason there's a Black History Month is to point out the contributions that Black people have made to this country. White historians would have the world believe all black people did in this country was pick cotton.
I don't know if you have noticed it or not but there are countless streets named after white people without uproar or incident.

Blue Skies Black Death

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I think what you fail to understand is the reason there's a Black History Month is to point out the contributions that Black people have made to this country.

No I think she understands that quite well.

What she is pointing out is that its OK for there to be a Black History Mth, a Black College, Black Civic Groups, Black Political Groups....But if you tried to have a White history mth, An all white College, an all white civic or political group...Then the whites are racist...

But its OK for blacks to do it.

I have always found that funny also.

Blacks want equal rights by forcing affermative action plans and forming all black groups...

Thats not equal.

Thats racisim.

Black people fought to be allowed to go to school with whites and end "Seperate but equal"...Then why do Black Colleges still exist?

As for the Zhills mess up....Well some folks that didn't live in the city asked to change something...no problem there. It's a persons right to suggest things. And Irene Dobson is a good women that has done very good things for the Otis May area of Zhills.

The City really screwed up by renaming the street without checking to see if it was legal, or wanted by the majority of the residents.

When the City tried to fix that problem the "Race card" was thrown out.

Now, Im not so stupid as to tell you that some of the hubbub was not racist...But not ALL of it.

For example my take on it was that it was illegal, and the MAJORITY voted on it....

I would not have cared if this issue was naming the street MLK or JFK, or after Dr Suess or Mr Spock.

It seems that still even today if a black person, group, or idea is not just accepted then it suddenly becomes a "Race" issue.....Why can't it just be cause it was a bad idea, or in this case illegal?

I judge people not by color but by actions and deeds.....And I hate cry babies of all color.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I think what you fail to understand is the reason there's a Black History Month is to point out the contributions that Black people have made to this country. White historians would have the world believe all black people did in this country was pick cotton. I don't know if you have noticed it or not but there are countless streets named after white people without uproar or incident.

Yes, I'm quite aware of it and do not in any way negate the contributions that people have made to this country to make it what it is. (Please note: I said people, not black, not white, not Native American, not (insert race/nationality here).) I was pointing out the reverse racism that is going on.

Racism is very evident with black colleges, black scholarships, black history month, etc. Quite frankly, while the differences are constantly being pointed out, racism will exist because it is an ability for someone to say - "Hey..they didn't get that job because of their skills. They got it to meet a quota." or scholorship (because you know...people who need a scholorship based on their race/skin color, etc. are obviously less intelligent and unable to get it on their own (PLEASE NOTE EXCESSIVE USE OF SARCASM)). People need to stop looking at others and judging them based on their skin color, religion, sexual preference, etc. and start judging them based on how they treat others as well as themselves.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

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Ron,

Very well put. I have the same feelings as you do on this subject.

The fact is the term "race" and or "Racist" seem to be thrown around when ever 2 or more people disagree and there happens to be a difference in race.

A majority of the time race is NOT the issue, but it is used because it draws attentions and sympathy. Also, not very many whites want to be labled as racist. (Even the racist ones.)

The truth is, as racist as whites may be toward blacks in this country, it goes the other way just as much. Blacks are quite racist toward whites as well.

It is an interesting problem, and let's face it we are ALL a bit predjudice in some way. What is strange though (and maybe it is just in my part of the country) is that it seems to be mainly a white vs. black issue. I hardly ever here of the race card coming into play in reference to asians??? And only sometimes in reference to hispanics. I suspect there is a lot more hispanic racism in the west and south where there is a larger population.

Anyway racism does happen. However, "Playing the race card" is a cheap way of getting people to listen. It is the equivilent of a girl crying RAPE just to get her voice heard.

Chris

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What she is pointing out is that its OK for there to be a Black History Mth, a Black College, Black Civic Groups, Black Political Groups....But if you tried to have a White history mth, An all white College, an all white civic or political group...Then the whites are racist...

Black people fought to be allowed to go to school with whites and end "Seperate but equal"...Then why do Black Colleges still exist?

These institutions exist because they are still neccessary.Do you believe that racism doesn't exist and black people aren't discriminated against in 2004? We have to have some mechanisms in place to battle the War on Racism. Surely you understand "United We Stand".

Blue Skies Black Death

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Kato, I understand your point and it is a good one, but the intstitionalized racism is no there like it was 15 or 25 0r 55 years ago.

There will always be racism ... ALWAYS.

But, blacks creating separate 'Black ONly" groups and clubs is perseved by many whites as an establishment of reverse racism. A gathering of a minority group to bring down the majority, when instead it should be used to put everyone on the same playing field.

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Black History Mth, a Black College, Black Civic Groups, Black Political Groups....But if you tried to have a White history mth, An all white College, an all white civic or political group...Then the whites are racist..

I think part of the deal here is that traditionally, the default history was white history; the default college was white, the default civic or political group was white, etc. etc. etc. There was no involvement path for blacks, and there was very little history of black achievement (beyond George Washington Carver, Harriet Tubman, and Martin Luther King that is).

I don't know of any groups locally in Houston that have Black in the title that wouldn't allow a white or hispanic or whatever else kind of person in. They do focus on issues that are relevant in the neighborhoods that are traditionally black -- crime, poor playgrounds, poor city services, public transportation, flooding. Wait -- those are issues that are relevant in nearly all Houston neighborhoods!

So some associations become a bitching session about prejudice? Sure! Go listen in the women's forum or the locker room sometime, and you'll hear plenty of other bitching too.

So feel free to join the Black Student Association. Feel free to apply to any of the UNCF colleges -- they'll almost certainly accept you (I was recruited by one in the 1970's, and my background is Swedish).

Then look at the powerful-people groups that come up privately -- they're much more likely to be lily-white, because people like to hang out with others who are like them.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Racism is very evident with black colleges, black scholarships, black history month, etc. Quite frankly, while the differences are constantly being pointed out, racism will exist because it is an ability for someone to say - "Hey..they didn't get that job because of their skills. They got it to meet a quota." or scholorship (because you know...people who need a scholorship based on their race/skin color, etc. are obviously less intelligent and unable to get it on their own (PLEASE NOTE EXCESSIVE USE OF SARCASM)). People need to stop looking at others and judging them based on their skin color, religion

So are you suggesting these organizations be disbanded? And Affimitave action be abolished.
Keep in mind these Orgs. and laws were inacted because of the Country as a whole inability to live up to the what was written in the constitution.

Blue Skies Black Death

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I think part of the deal here is that traditionally, the default history was white history; the default college was white, the default civic or political group was white, etc. etc. etc. There was no involvement path for blacks, and there was very little history of black achievement (beyond George Washington Carver, Harriet Tubman, and Martin Luther King that is).

I don't know of any groups locally in Houston that have Black in the title that wouldn't allow a white or hispanic or whatever else kind of person in. They do focus on issues that are relevant in the neighborhoods that are traditionally black -- crime, poor playgrounds, poor city services, public transportation, flooding. Wait -- those are issues that are relevant in nearly all Houston neighborhoods!

So feel free to join the Black Student Association. Feel free to apply to any of the UNCF colleges -- they'll almost certainly accept you (I was recruited by one in the 1970's, and my background is Swedish).

Then look at the powerful-people groups that come up privately -- they're much more likely to be lily-white, because people like to hang out with others who are like them.

Thats the point I was trying to make.

Blue Skies Black Death

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So are you suggesting these organizations be disbanded? And Affimitave action be abolished.
Keep in mind these Orgs. and laws were inacted because of the Country as a whole inability to live up to the what was written in the constitution.

Organizations - Yes - remove ethnic/religious/etc. affiliation. Just say "History Month" and have a day on Mexican history, another on Irish history, another on Korean history, etc. To celebrate the ethnic diversity this country has, we shouldn't segregate any of the races/ethnicities. Celebrate all that have made the country what it is, because each group has contributed something to this country.

Affirmative action - Yes - A person should be hired based on perceived skill set and past work history. They should be given raises, promotions, fired, etc. based on their work - not on their gender/nationality/etc. If a person can do the job - hire them. If they can't - don't. If a person screws up on the job and needs to be fired - fire them...don't allow the person being fired to scream "RACISM" when it is clearly documented the failure of the individual to do their job.

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These institutions exist because they are still neccessary

Some say the KKK is still neccessary.

Do you want to be equal, or do you want special treatment?

Cause wanting special treatment does not make you equal.

Black Colleges, Black Civic Groups, Black political parties...Basicly everything that is Black only, is racist and is wrong.

Employment quotas, and using "racism" to win an argument is not about being equal...It's about Blacks being racist against Whites.

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Do you believe that racism doesn't exist and black people aren't discriminated against in 2004?

How about blacks being racist against whites?

And yes, I have been treated poorly for being white. Once in Compton I was told "Get your stupid white muther fucking ass out of here before I kill you muther fucker!!!"

In high school I had three black guys jump me...When they were caught...easy to do since I was pounding on one of them till the teachers pulled me off. When he was asked why they jumped me..."Cause he was small and white" was the answer. What they didn't know of was the Black Belt I had.

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We have to have some mechanisms in place to battle the War on Racism.

How about this one....A managers position wa open...3 white males put in for it and one black female. The black female was WAY underqualified, and honestly quite stupid. She got the job, and we all knew she would. When we asked why she got the job since it was clear that she was not qualified...

The answer we were given was "Quaota's, and that a Black Female was needed to meet them".

Now, was it fair to hire the less qualified canidate casue she was female and black?

Again do you want EQUAL, or SPECIAL treatment?

The dream that one day people will be judged by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin is great...but I have seem many cases where instead of equal, blacks want special.

I have even been told "Well we were oppressed for so long its our right"

So its OK for you to be racist and hold us accountable for things that happend before most of us were born?

That does not sound like fair and equal to me.

The only way to be fair and equal is to really judge people on them, not on color....But it seems like many blacks don't want that annd that they like using the race card.

This Zhills issue is a perfect example...

What the City did was ILLEGAL. When it was brought to the attention of all the parties, the first words out of the black mouths was "RACIST"...Not.."Oh, I didnt know that".

So it seems to me that the new racism is black on white.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Thats the point I was trying to make.

And the point I'm trying to make is this:

If you want to be treated EQUALLY...Then expect to not be treated SPECIALLY. And when things don't go your way accept it, don't use being black as an excuse for poor performance or skirting the LAW.

If you really want to be treated as an equal and live the dream of being judged based on your merits....Then you would see that these organizations, and the idiots that use being black as excuse do nothing but hurt your goal.

The Rodney King beating was wrong...But so were the riots.

how about these riots :

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http://www.cnn.com/US/9611/13/st.pete.ruling/ ST. PETERSBURG, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida grand jury Wednesday cleared a white police officer of any wrongdoing for shooting to death a black motorist last month. The shooting sparked a night of rioting on St. Petersburg streets.

The Pinellas County grand jury said St. Petersburg police officer Jim Knight had reason to fear for his life when he shot and killed 18-year-old TyRon Lewis.

"We have determined the death of TyRon Lewis was the result of a justifiable homicide under Florida law," said Bernie McCabe, Pinellas County State Attorney.

Knight was standing in front of the car after it had been stopped for speeding when the car lurched forward several times. The officer fired after shouting warnings that he would do so, the grand jury said.


After the October 24 shooting, about 300 people roamed the streets of south St. Petersburg, setting 29 fires, looting buildings, and hurling firebombs, rocks and bottles. Several police officers and firefighters were injured.

Damages have been estimated at up to $5 million.

According to a police statement, Knight and his partner, Sandra Minor, stopped Lewis for a speeding violation. Lewis and passenger Eugene Young declined to roll down their windows or open their doors, the statement said.

Knight went to the front of the car because the windows were so heavily tinted he could not see inside, the statement said. Meanwhile, Minor used a baton to break one of the windows, and the car lurched forward toward Knight, police said. He fired two shots, one of which hit Lewis in the chest.


The grand jurors said they believed that the degree of tinting exceeded Florida law and that Knight made a reasonable response in moving to the front of the car so he could see inside.

The jurors also said they did not believe race was involved in Knight's decision to shoot. Knight has been on administrative leave since the shooting.

Only hours after the grand jury ruling, Knight was suspended from the police force for 60 days. A police review panel imposed the suspension because it found that Knight "placed himself in a position of disadvantage and danger by moving to the front of the vehicle to confront the occupants. This tactic is not consistent with our training or policy, which instructs sworn members to employ 'reasonable means to avoid the danger.'"

St. Petersburg police said, in advance of Wednesday's hearing, that they planned to patrol streets to watch for further rioting that could break out because of the ruling.

The cop acted really stupid by moving to the front of the car, but the tinted windows made it the only choice since they would not roll down the windows.

So two kids were speeding, with illegal tint. They refuse to comply with police requests to open the doors, or roll down the windows. They refused to comply with police demands to stop moving towards the officer. The officer fired (and was justified in doing so). So people went out and did 5 MILLION in damage.

Who was wrong in this case?

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At least 20 people were arrested and 28 buildings were burned in a 25-square-block area. About 11 people were injured, including a police officer who was shot and a newspaper photographer who was beaten, as hundreds of people swarmed through the streets shortly after the shooting.

What the hell did the photographer do to deserve that?


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June 18 (Day 169, Running the Course): Race riots have raged in Benton Harbor, Michigan for the last two days. Last night about 300 bottle-throwing black, domestic terrorists attacked riot police, burned at least 5 buildings, and stabbed or beat about a dozen people. Today, 150 state troopers were brought in. The riots were sparked by the death of a local black, age 28, who crashed his motorcycle into a building and died while resisting arrest during a high-speed chase by local police, who were white.

So some jackass runs from the cops and gets killed...So then all hell breaks loose since he was black.

Uh he was running from the police and killed himself.

If these were white people that did stupid things...I really doubt there would be riots over it.

You want to be treated equal? Accept it when it does not go your way.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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How about this one....A managers position wa open...3 white males put in for it and one black female. The black female was WAY underqualified, and honestly quite stupid. She got the job, and we all knew she would. When we asked why she got the job since it was clear that she was not qualified...

The answer we were given was "Quaota's, and that a Black Female was needed to meet them".

How about this one A managers position is made available Three white Males apply(All three with one monkey brain between them) A Black female applies graduated top of her class at Whateverthehell University trained the three white males to boot. Posittion goes to The white Male. When asked why the response is "Hell that's Bob Sr. son in law and why should we promote some Black Bitch. She should be grateful she has a job at all."
Without Affirmative Action what recourse does this Black Woman Have.

Blue Skies Black Death

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...and a newspaper photographer who was beaten, as hundreds of people swarmed through the streets shortly after the shooting.

What the hell did the photographer do to deserve that?

Being incredibly stupid. I think this is excellent. It would really help out if stupid was painful in more cases. The education process would be more obvious.

The reporter went to a place and expected to find angry, mob violence. He found it. It happened to him... learning experience.

Last year during the riots in College Hill, the rioters waited until the news crews showed up. Even the reporters agreed that it happened that way. Gotta get good coverage.

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When asked why the response is "Hell that's Bob Sr. son in law and why should we promote some Black Bitch. She should be grateful she has a job at all."
Without Affirmative Action what recourse does this Black Woman Have.

But that is a case of descrimination and should be prosecuted.... you don't need affirmative action for that.

That argument makes no sense.

Chris

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Ron answer this for me . why do you think these Black organizations came into existence?

Blue Skies Black Death

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Affirmative Action is institutionalized Racism the same type of thing the civil rights movemont was trying to get rid of.

Ironic isn't it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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