Gawain 0 #26 May 19, 2004 QuoteWhy not? Why would you object to a civil union between a senile mother and a daughter who wants to care for her? Assuming they're needed there are already mechinisms in place that allow that. Power of Attorney, for one. A "civil union" is not required.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #27 May 19, 2004 I have a question too: Are same-sex-marriages allowed in Europe? Just curious (I really don't know).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #28 May 19, 2004 QuoteAny two consenting adults should be able to set up a civil union. It should have nothing to do with having sex with that person, or what color, religion, sex or size they are. It just establishes legal rights within the partnership. Any two (or more) people can already arrange for any business or legal relationship they want. Why hide the true intent of the movement behind that? Reminds me of those NORML folks talkin' about "medical" marijuana. Maybe we have differing views on the true intent of the movement. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #29 May 19, 2004 I still think that an institution as important as marriage should be supported and encouraged by the State (as it is in mine). It should also be protected by the State. It should be ingrained into the very fiber of it. A healthy family life affects everything. The family and family values used to be at the core of American's lives. Not any more. We're falling away from those core values and are dilluting ourselves as is illustrated in your proposed example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #30 May 19, 2004 QuoteI still say the government should not be in the marriage business. Create a civil union that any two adults can enter into, and is valid for legal purposes of child custody, joint ownership, living wills etc. Then allow churches to marry anyone they please. Want to only have male-female marriages? Then get a civil union and get married in a church that only recognizes male-female marriages. That way your marriage won't be 'polluted' by having to accept gay marriages around you. Want to marry someone of the same sex? Then get a civil union and get married in a gay-friendly church. Want to marry your dog? Well, you can't get a civil union for that, but if you want to start the Church of the Big Pooch and marry your dog, go for it. It will have no legal standing whatsoever, but hey, you can print a cool certificate and put it on your wall. HAHAHA! Speer, will you marry me? HAHAHAHA! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #31 May 19, 2004 Damn......I wish I cared about this kinda crap. I am not a christian, and the older I get the less I understand the idea of a marriage, muchless a traditional one! But, just remember guys and some girls(), 1 vagina for the rest of your life! Some movies really have a way of putting things! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #32 May 19, 2004 I have one thing to say and I'll shut up. If Bush wants to run the country out of a bible, then to hell with him and his whole family. He's taking away the civil rights of decent people because his bible, his mommy, and his daddy say it's wrong. Fuck him. He's a disgrace to this country. He doesn't even know how to act as a citizen, let alone a leader. Once again, fuck this guy. [/rant] Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #33 May 19, 2004 QuoteThe family and family values used to be at the core of American's lives. Not any more. We're falling away from those core values and are dilluting ourselves as is illustrated in your proposed example. I apologize for bending and twisting your words around, but are you saying that a family raised via gay marriage is one without values? Gay people and yes, even children raised by gay people can still be good human beings, and still have these "family values" you speak of. To be against gay marriage is the same as being against blacks and whites in the same school. Little Georgey forgets civil rights......or could give two shits less about them. Come on people, it's the 21st century, the entire human race needs to get over this prejudice bullshit already. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,000 #34 May 19, 2004 >I still think that an institution as important as marriage should be > supported and encouraged by the State (as it is in mine). It should > also be protected by the State. It should be ingrained into the very > fiber of it. A healthy family life affects everything. The family and > family values used to be at the core of American's lives. Not any > more. We're falling away from those core values and are dilluting > ourselves as is illustrated in your proposed example. We have lost a lot of core values - female obedience and subservience to their husbands, the supremacy of the white race, the suppression of witchcraft. We are better off because of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #35 May 19, 2004 In Germany they are. In the city of Cologne where I live, we had hundreds of these marriages within last few months. BTW: Insiders callmy home town Cologne ca "center of the gay" in Germany. Never had any troubles with that. Let them live like they want. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #36 May 19, 2004 Okay, same-sex-marriages are allowed in Germany. Anywhere else?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #37 May 19, 2004 a lot of my conservative friends are pissed about this proposed amendment. their attitude: outlaw gay marriage, but don't f-ing touch the constitution. The issue simply isn't important enough to amend our nation's most precious document. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,000 #38 May 19, 2004 >outlaw gay marriage, but don't f-ing touch the constitution. I think a good plan is the one suggested by GWB himself - leave it up to the states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #39 May 19, 2004 a good plan in theory. not so good in practice. what happens if a couple marries in Massachusetts and then moves to Texas. Are they still married? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,000 #40 May 19, 2004 >what happens if a couple marries in Massachusetts and then moves >to Texas. Are they still married? Up to each state. States have lots of differing laws; we planned it that way. We're a union of states, not an empire. And if you don't like the laws of Texas? Don't move there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #41 May 19, 2004 Quote Okay, same-sex-marriages are allowed in Germany. Anywhere else? Most of Canada for roughly a year. The rest of Canada probably within a year. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #42 May 19, 2004 QuoteUp to each state. States have lots of differing laws; we planned it that way. We're a union of states, errmmm, not quite. There's a thing in the constitution about full faith and credit. They would in fact be married in the other state as well and have to be treated as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,000 #43 May 19, 2004 >There's a thing in the constitution about full faith and credit. They > would in fact be married in the other state as well and have to be > treated as such. There are a lot of things in the constitution we ignore nowadays. For example, per the constitution, only congress can declare war, and no one can be held without being charged or given access to legal counsel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 May 19, 2004 "only congress can declare war" Still true. Congress declared war on terrorism, that's what we're doing in Iraq, right? Quoteno one can be held without being charged or given access to legal counsel Ahhh, but it doesn't say _when_ they have to be charged or given legal counci. You're such a nit picker sometimes, Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #45 May 19, 2004 Quote>what happens if a couple marries in Massachusetts and then moves >to Texas. Are they still married? Up to each state. States have lots of differing laws; we planned it that way. We're a union of states, not an empire. And if you don't like the laws of Texas? Don't move there. States don't get to reduce civil rights from those guaranteed federally. They can only expand upon them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,000 #46 May 19, 2004 >States don't get to reduce civil rights from those guaranteed >federally. They can only expand upon them. Agreed, but the right to marry whoever you choose is not guaranteed by the constitution. (Indeed, there are those who are trying to explicitly deny it via the constitution.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpsniper98 0 #47 May 20, 2004 there's a reason nature meant for a child to be brought up by one man and one woman. each gender is inherently better at certain aspects of child rearing. eg. when i was a kid, my dad kept my ass in line and taught me about life and my mom made sure that i understood that i was loved the whole way through. i believe that children that are brought up by gay couples will be missing something. if you read the bible and analyze it in respect to the truths in life, then i think you will come to realize that there is a whole lot of truth in it, whether or not you are religious. Quoteto hell with him and his whole family be sure not to detract from the civil rights of his family for his decisions now..... NBFT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpsniper98 0 #48 May 20, 2004 QuoteTo be against gay marriage is the same as being against blacks and whites in the same schoolwhoa there cowboy...you're wrong(way) for this reason: there is no important difference between blacks and whites; there are important differences between gay couples and traditional couples. see my previous post for one example as well as the civic/governmental consequences that would arise. NBFT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,000 #49 May 20, 2004 >there is no important difference between blacks and whites; According to the courts in the 1950's, blacks were naturally shiftless AND god put them on different continents for a reason; we were not meant to interbreed. >there are important differences between gay couples and traditional couples. Two loving parents are better than one, no matter what sex they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #50 May 20, 2004 QuoteAccording to the courts in the 1950's, blacks were naturally shiftless AND god put them on different continents for a reason; we were not meant to interbreed. Poor example, Billvon, to use other's gross misinterpretations of the Bible concerning racist ideas to show how homosexuality is then justified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
