PhillyKev 0 #126 May 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteI fully do understand him: I love men too. I've always been sure that I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Then yuo should't have been allowed to marry your wife Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #127 May 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteI fully do understand him: I love men too. I've always been sure that I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Then yuo should't have been allowed to marry your wife I'm male. She's female. We choose to be in a monogamous heterosexual relationship. We both qualify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #128 May 21, 2004 Oh well, Mr, Sniper, that makes me feel sad a little bit but, I will accept. C u next time, fondly. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #129 May 21, 2004 QuoteWe choose to be in a monogamous heterosexual relationship. But I thought you were a lesbian...a hairy one, but a lesbian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #130 May 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteWe choose to be in a monogamous heterosexual relationship. But I thought you were a lesbian...a hairy one, but a lesbian You’re kinda making my point. Even if I had feelings, temptations, or tendencies leading in some other direction, I choose to be in a monogamous heterosexual relationship with my wife. Therefore, I qualify for what marriage is. The union of one man and one woman. Anything else is not, by definition, “marriage.” ……I’m not that hairy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpsniper98 0 #131 May 21, 2004 right on... NBFT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #132 May 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote This spells it out pretty clearly and doesn't leave much for misinterpretation. I believe homosexuality will be seen as wrong 50 years from now by Christians just like it is now. sort of like modern cosmology was 'seen' as wrong by christians for ages before the church apologized and admited they were wrong, or do you still believe in the crystaline spheres? I don't know what church you think I belong to. I'm not Catholic by the way. I don't adhere to their policies or decisions. I'm reformed Baptist. I don't discount science for religion. I believe it supports my beliefs. I just look at it from the other side. ah yeah that right 'modern christians' arent responsible for the mistakes their religion has made before, guess that sort of puts a crimp in the 'unaltered word of god' you claim your religion has followed for the last 2000 years...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #133 May 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteI am not, have never been, and never will be separated from God, no matter what your divisive literature says.. Good for you....drive on! All of pajarito's beliefs, he "chooses to believe in". All of Zenister's, "fact". not at all.. as so much of this is 'belief' i refuse to impose mine on anyone else, and therein lies the difference between.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpsniper98 0 #134 May 22, 2004 churches are institutions of people and it is therefore unreasonable to expect that churches (and the people that comprise them) won't make mistakes; just like the rest of us. the people that go to church now aren't responsible for the mistakes that the people who went to church in the past made, obviously. NBFT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #135 May 22, 2004 it is when they claim they were following the 'one true way as told by God' either you are or you arent. if you are you dont make mistakes. if you do make mistakes then you cant be following the way of God....no matter what your literature is interpreted this decade to say.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpsniper98 0 #136 May 22, 2004 i don't think that's correct. the "one true way", whatever it is, is designed to be a guide for people to follow. it is understood in many religions that people will make mistakes no matter what they do or how hard they try. i will say that many of the "religious" people i've met in my life have turned out to be the most arrogant, etc. people i've come in to contact with. furthermore, more people have been injured in the name of God than any other source. NBFT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #137 May 22, 2004 only when what is perceived as the way is self imposed.. trying to tell me (or anyone else for that matter) what God wishes for me is silly. which also means applying your interpretation of his path, to anyone else, is also silly, and so perhaps 'God' shouldnt be invoked in matters that dont actually involve you specifically?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #138 May 22, 2004 I totally agree...this is the most assinine thing that I have heard since...well, last time Bush said anything. At one point, he also said that he would leave "civil unions" as an issue for states to decide...isn't that all that the government should worry about anyway? Isn't the actual institute of marriage a religious issue? Shouldn't the government concern themselves with creating laws to protect liberties, not take them away? Shouldn't the government be worried about how Joe Blow files his taxes...single, or joint? Who the f*$k cares who the other person is? Oh, wait a second...that would mean that the gays would theoretically pay less in taxes. Oh, yeah, that's right, Bush likes to use laws to advance his own psycho-religious based propoganda...sorry, forgot. Nevermind. -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #139 May 22, 2004 Quoteas so much of this is 'belief' i refuse to impose mine on anyone else, and therein lies the difference between. I realize you don't impose your beliefs on others . . . but you still present them as fact, or so it seems. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #140 May 22, 2004 facts cant be proven. beliefs cannot. it is incorrect to claim ''all' are separated from God, you may feel and believe you personally are but that does not make it true for anyone other than you...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #141 May 22, 2004 Quoteah yeah that right 'modern christians' arent responsible for the mistakes their religion has made before, guess that sort of puts a crimp in the 'unaltered word of god' you claim your religion has followed for the last 2000 years... People have been breaking the word of God since the beginning. The Bible gives the perfect example. It is the standard which we should try to meet. Of course, since we are people, we cannot possibly meet that standard. We aren’t perfect. People will always lean in the direction of wanting to meet their own selfish desires whatever those may be. I didn’t say that they always will. I just said that is their tendency. Idolatry comes in many forms. Power…wealth,…religion. As you’ve said, some Christians have used their religion throughout the ages for reasons other than that of God. That doesn’t put any sort of “crimp” in the “unaltered word of God” or its purpose. On another note, do you blame all modern Germans for the atrocities that occurred during the Holocaust? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #142 May 22, 2004 Quotedo you blame all modern Germans for the atrocities that occurred during the Holocaust? modern Germans do no claim to be following a text that gives them 'God's' authority to act in God's name, and then excuse their predecessors actions by simply saying "oh well it is still God's design' we just weren’t following it correctly, but we are trying to now" (using this decades interpretation) the fact that your 'word of God' has been so grossly misused, misapplied and even accurately followed by those using it to justify genocide means it should be largely excluded as a 'guide' in imposing your beliefs on others. "they've had it wrong many times in the past about many different issues, we're still using the same reference, but we're right about this" is not a convincing argument. if modern Germans were reinterpreting Mein Kampf as a modern guide, trying to excuse their prior actions as 'misinterpretations' and claiming it was the divinely inspired word of God so everyone else should be following their “One True Path”. yes i would hold them equally responsible. the point is you claim 'God' gave you this way and yet those following 'your' way have been responsible for some horrific events and still claim "they were doing God's will [I](as understood this week)[/I]"God told me to do this", "see look God's word says this is wrong" used the jaw bone of an ass to commit genocide? "God told us to do it, he just became a gentle God later on...." if its God's word, and God's way, then its never wrong, and cannot be interpreted incorrectly. After all its God's way and as he is, by definition, perfect, his instructions would be equally perfect. If its been wrong before its not really God's way, perhaps your following far more of Man's way than you believe, since he's far more prone to make mistakes and for his own ends, particularly when trying to justify his actions to history, and it makes for more convincing argument and better literature if you claim it comes from 'God' and not from 'Man'____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpsniper98 0 #143 May 23, 2004 it's all so silly...i wasn't telling you what God wishes for you, i was trashing your argument. is that silly...hmmmm NBFT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #144 May 24, 2004 Quoteit's all so silly...i wasn't telling you what God wishes for you, i was trashing your argument. you'll have to try harder, its not working.. Christians are claiming they know what God wishes for you, and me and every other soul on the planet....just look, see? Its all spelled out in this book, and since it is 'the divinely inspired word of God' how could it possibly be wrong?? Anyone who has a personal relationship with God must be mistaken if it doesnt fit what christian literature states...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #145 May 24, 2004 this is adressed @ you and Pajarito: Quote if modern Germans were reinterpreting Mein Kampf as a modern guide, trying to excuse their prior actions as 'misinterpretations' and claiming it was the divinely inspired word of God ....blablabla (would like to know what you really know about Germans ? ) just a small incidental remark: they do not consider these old stories as their "bible" of today. they just live their own lifes, experiences and sins. like i did. now: go on throwing jaw-bones (of a donkey ? ) at each other... trying to convince each other dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #146 May 24, 2004 Quotethis is adressed @ you and Pajarito: Quote if modern Germans were reinterpreting Mein Kampf as a modern guide, trying to excuse their prior actions as 'misinterpretations' and claiming it was the divinely inspired word of God ....blablabla (would like to know what you really know about Germans ? ) just a small incidental remark: they do not consider these old stories as their "bible" of today. they just live their own lifes, experiences and sins. like i did. Well i grew up in Weisbaden, so quite a bit actually... read my post again, there is a huge qualifier on that statement,"if". With the exception of a few neonazi's, Germans are not continually reinterpreting a text to justify their past and present actions .....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #147 May 24, 2004 Wiesbaden.... just 180 km from my home town, nice, clean and "rich" town......... How long did you experience German mentality and learned about today's youth? I understand what you mean: If.... Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #148 May 24, 2004 I return to this thread I started to interrupt this argument with an important announcement: I AM A JACKASS!!!! Dear goodness me what an active thread I've started. I stand by my original post. This proposed ammendment is stupid and such things don't belong in the realm of government. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #149 May 24, 2004 QuoteI AM A JACKASS!!!! I was going to say you're being too hard on yourself. Then I saw this... QuoteDear goodness me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #150 May 24, 2004 Quote Wiesbaden.... just 180 km from my home town, nice, clean and "rich" town......... How long did you experience German mentality and learned about today's youth? 8 1/2 years...from age 7 to 15, but that was a while ago..so its certainly possible the prevailing social attitudes have changed (and many of my remaining german friends tell me it is a much different place since the reunion.) but i doubt they are beating on 'Mein Kampf' with the zeal of a christian and his bible. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
