tunaplanet 0 #1 May 20, 2004 I'm sorry, but if I was locked up for 30 years for a crime I didn't commit I would really be quite bitter and full of hate. Clicky Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #2 May 20, 2004 this story is a prime example of why I cannot support the death penalty. Our justice system, while good, is far from infallible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #3 May 20, 2004 Sounds like a topic for the soapbox MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #4 May 20, 2004 QuoteI'm sorry, but if I was locked up for 30 years for a crime I didn't commit I would really be quite bitter and full of hate. Really amazing, isn't it? Perhaps he decided being free again was too much fun to let bitterness and hate spoil it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #5 May 20, 2004 Quotethis story is a prime example of why I cannot support the death penalty. Our justice system, while good, is far from infallible. Not in Texas. Governor Bush told us they don't make mistakes there. Not even when defense counsel sleeps during the trial or the defendant is mentally ill.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katzeye 0 #6 May 20, 2004 Quotethis story is a prime example of why I cannot support the death penalty. Our justice system, while good, is far from infallible. Just for discussion - with today's level of technology (DNA, fiber, etc). We are much much better at eliminating doubt. So I would argue that our chances of making a mistake would be very minimal. LET THE FLAMES ENSUE! /dons Kevlar undies Is a chicken omelette redundant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #7 May 20, 2004 minimal, but not impossible. You can always release someone from prison. You can't un-execute them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #8 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuotethis story is a prime example of why I cannot support the death penalty. Our justice system, while good, is far from infallible. Just for discussion - with today's level of technology (DNA, fiber, etc). We are much much better at eliminating doubt. So I would argue that our chances of making a mistake would be very minimal. LET THE FLAMES ENSUE! /dons Kevlar undies Well, the testing is only as good as the people doing it. Recall the semi-recent revalations about sloppiness and fuck ups at the premier FBI labs... innocent people were put away 'cause of that... __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuotethis story is a prime example of why I cannot support the death penalty. Our justice system, while good, is far from infallible. Just for discussion - with today's level of technology (DNA, fiber, etc). We are much much better at eliminating doubt. So I would argue that our chances of making a mistake would be very minimal. LET THE FLAMES ENSUE! /dons Kevlar undies Our reliance on technology can be blinding. So you make a DNA match - what exactly have you proven? That the person was there at some point in time. Very damaging evidence, but it doesn't actually prove the person commited the crime. If the crime scene is tainted, the reliability of the evidence drops quickly. And yes, the ability to frame someone has gone up substantially. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #10 May 21, 2004 I wonder how many lawyers are clammering at his door to launch a massive lawsuit against the state. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #11 May 21, 2004 It's cheaper to just lock someone up for life. Death row inmates are very expensive to maintain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #12 May 21, 2004 Quote I wonder how many lawyers are clammering at his door to launch a massive lawsuit against the state. He should get filthy rich off of this one.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #13 May 21, 2004 QuoteQuote I wonder how many lawyers are clammering at his door to launch a massive lawsuit against the state. He should get filthy rich off of this one.... I dont know of any lawasuit in such a case where the released has gotten a settlement. Still how much is 30 years of your freedom worth? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #14 May 21, 2004 QuoteJust for discussion - with today's level of technology (DNA, fiber, etc). We are much much better at eliminating doubt. So I would argue that our chances of making a mistake would be very minimal. You would think so, but I live in a state that has a moratorium on the death penality because a few years ago practically everyone on death row (it seemed) was having their convictions reversed. Edit to add: Found the numbers. Here in Illinois, since the death penalty was reinstated in 1977, 12 people have been executed and at least 13 have had their convictions overturned. That ain't right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #15 May 21, 2004 so, you believe when we get Bin Laden we should not put him to death? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #16 May 21, 2004 QuoteI'm sorry, but if I was locked up for 30 years for a crime I didn't commit I would really be quite bitter and full of hate. I think most people would agree. However, if Nelson Mandela had that attitude (hate & bitterness) after having been incarcerated for 27 years, South Africa would have turned into a bloodbath when he was released. Instead, through his humility and wisdom we had probably the most peaceful transition of power ever seen anywhere in Africa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #17 May 21, 2004 QuoteWe are much much better at eliminating doubt. often these methods are overlooked , especially when they get a conffesion. i'm pretty sure that with the right amout of mental pressure (not talking about physical pressure), we would all sign almost anything... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #18 May 21, 2004 Damn, dude. You should find a way to make hating Bush a full time job. I don't think you ever miss a chance to bash the guy. It's like he's the fuckin' devil. I don't even despise Ted Kennedy that much. At least you're consistent though, gotta give you that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #19 May 21, 2004 >so, you believe when we get Bin Laden we should not put him to death? Jail for life with no parole, death, it really doesn't matter. The important issue is to remove him from the real world permanently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 May 21, 2004 Gee, you mean someone was charged with and found guilty of a crime they didn't commit? Unbelievable. At least it was unbelievable to you that I could be charged with one, have all the charges dropped without going to trial and be innocent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #21 May 21, 2004 QuoteDamn, dude. You should find a way to make hating Bush a full time job. I don't think you ever miss a chance to bash the guy. It's like he's the fuckin' devil. I don't even despise Ted Kennedy that much. At least you're consistent though, gotta give you that. How is it not relevant to the thread? Bush signed more death warrants than any American in recent history, he did claim that they don't make mistakes in Texas, and he opposed a measure to exempt the mentally ill from the death penalty.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #22 May 21, 2004 Who said it wasn't relevant? I was just marveling at the amount of energy you expend in hating one guy. It's really quite amazing. But hey - it's a free country. More power to ya! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #23 May 21, 2004 QuoteJail for life with no parole, death, it really doesn't matter. The important issue is to remove him from the real world permanently. the only way to "remove him from the real world permanently" is to send him to see the 69 virgins, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #24 May 21, 2004 QuoteIt's cheaper to just lock someone up for life. Death row inmates are very expensive to maintain. How do you figure it's cheaper to keep someone for 50 years than to execute them in 10 or 20 or however?? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpsniper98 0 #25 May 21, 2004 ted kennedy is the antithesis of this thread...he murdered mary jo and got away with it! now there's someone to hate. NBFT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
