Pew finds media skewed liberal, again

[bodypilot90 0]

let me ask it this way, as a whole you do not feel the media has a bias to the left?

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so you don;t think the media is bias at all, let's take NPR?

What about NPR makes you think it's so obviously biased that you'd use it as an example? Can you cite an example from one of their news programs? They have quite an extensive on-line archive. Just find an example and let's listen to what NPR is saying.

Ok, don't wanna do the research, lemme list a couple stories from the last few days and you tell me if NPR is somehow being biased.

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1905842

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1905844

Lemme further ask you -- do you actually listen to NPR, or are you just parroting some line from someone else?

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[billvon 2,998]

> so you don;t think the media is bias at all, let's take NPR?

I think each media outlet has its own bias - geographic, political, cultural.

NPR? In a study by the University of Maryland, they asked people who got most of their news from one source about some common right-wing misperceptions about the war, including "Iraq was involved in 9/11" or "world opinion leans towards war with Iraq." 80% of FOX viewers believed in at least one misperception; only 23% of NPR viewers believed in one or more of the falsehoods.

So I'll stick with the more accurate source.

[mpsniper98 0]

see, i would say that if the media has a liberal bias, it reflects poorly on liberals because obviously, they are incompetent reporters who can't report the news without giving it a liberal bias. so, here we are again.

NBFT

[mpsniper98 0]

or, the more out of touch with reality a group is, the more likely they are to be liberal. eg. college professors who don't work in the real world tend to have fantasies in their arguments. they argue from hypothetical "here's how it should be" standpoints instead of seeing the world how it is and solving problems based on truths.

NBFT

[billvon 2,998]

> or, the more out of touch with reality a group is, the more likely they are
>to be liberal. eg. college professors who don't work in the real world tend
>to have fantasies in their arguments. they argue from hypothetical "here's
>how it should be" standpoints instead of seeing the world how it is and
>solving problems based on truths.

College professors may be liberal, but your description of them has little to do with whether they are conservative or liberal.

liberal:
A.
. 1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
. 2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
. 3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
. 4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
B.
. 1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
. 2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
C. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
D. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.


conservative:

A. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
B. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
C. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
D.
. 1. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
. 2. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
E. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.

Based on the actual definitions I consider myself a liberal. It has more to do with how I think than which party I believe in (I seem to vote democratic and republican about equally, with a handful of third party candidates.)

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Based on the actual definitions I consider myself a liberal.

I would 10,000% agree. I knew someday we would

[mpsniper98 0]

i see your point but, i believe that there is a strong correlation between someone being politically liberal and that same person supporting his/her arguments with theory instead of history/experience.

it's almost like listening to someone talk about skydiving who has never done it but that person has gathered some "academic info" about it and thinks that he/she is qualified to make judgements about it.

NBFT

[Kennedy 0]

There are very few true liberals. Most people who consider themselves "liberal" actually fall under PC socialism. Conservatives, on the other hand, do tend to be traditional (with the exception of wanting government to intervene on their behalf).

People who invite further governmental intrusion into everyday life are socialists. There are people with traditional views who are quite socialist, and people with new and different (they like to think of it as 'progressive') ideas who are socialist.

There are also people who do not favor governmental intrusion, who believe people should be allowed to make their own choices. They can be traditional or PC or anything else, they just realize more government is not a good idea.

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Most people who consider themselves "liberal" actually fall under PC socialism.

According to the view from the right.

[Kennedy 0]

OK, so let's see,

socialized healthcare: check
affirmative action: check
gun control: check
federal control of education: check
laws making racial motivation worse than other, equal crimes: check
involving bureaucracy in more and more facets of business: check

those are some pretty standard "liberal" platforms, are they not?
They are all socialist, are they not?

So if my statement is the "view from the right," then the view from the right must be pretty clear, huh?

My issue is that "liberals" are actually just as, if not more, standard than conservatives. How can you be outside the box when you compose one half of the box? They don't want new things, they want more federal power over things that the feds have their foot in the door.

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[billvon 2,998]

> i see your point but, i believe that there is a strong correlation between
> someone being politically liberal and that same person supporting his/her
>arguments with theory instead of history/experience.

I recall a recent vociferous argument over whether Saddam had WMD's. Liberals were asking for proof of that before we invaded; conservatives were generally saying "What, don't you believe? You gotta believe he has them!" Which would sort of be the opposite of your claim.

Nowadays we have a conservative president pushing for hydrogen cars, a concept that's nice in theory but has no basis in actual engineering. He denies that global warming is a problem despites warnings from the EPA (and twenty years of rising temperatures) in favor of a "well, maybe it will be a good thing" sort of approach.

But all that is the political use of the term. The literal use of the term does not describe a political ideology.

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gun control: check

Hold on there, chief. Take a look at my posts on the subject.

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federal control of education: check

Federal funding, not control. GWB is the one who's pushing standardized testing.

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laws making racial motivation worse than other, equal crimes: check

When did I ever come out in favor of those?

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involving bureaucracy in more and more facets of business: check

I don't even know what that's addressing.

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those are some pretty standard "liberal" platforms, are they not?

Those are some pretty standard DNC platforms. To claim that "liberals", as defined above, support all of those platforms is ludicrous.

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I wasn't applying those things to you, I know you stand up for the right to self defense and the 2nd Amendment, and I doubt you believe in all the things I listed. My point is when people use the terms liberal and conservative, they don't really mean what they say.

The fact is anyone who favors the federal government stepping in and redistributing funds or requiring expenditures is leaning socialist. Most people who describe themselves as liberal are not. I'd say Libertarians are liberal, while Dems and Repubs are just two sides of socialist.


Oh, and Bill, voting for California republicans doesn't make you less left any more than voting for Georgia democrats makes you less right(hint: not at all).

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[billvon 2,998]

>Oh, and Bill, voting for California republicans doesn't make you less
> left any more than voting for Georgia democrats makes you less
> right(hint: not at all).

Most of my voting has taken place in New York, actually.

[bodypilot90 0]

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So if my statement is the "view from the right," then the view from the right must be pretty clear, huh?

Clear as ever.

[PhillyKev 0]

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Most people who describe themselves as liberal are not. I'd say Libertarians are liberal,

Ok, I agree with you there. The term is used incorrectly. But more often than not, it's not the people who are staunch socialists describing themselves as liberal. It's people on the right labeling them as liberal.

[kallend 2,027]

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or, the more out of touch with reality a group is, the more likely they are to be liberal. eg. college professors who don't work in the real world tend to have fantasies in their arguments. they argue from hypothetical "here's how it should be" standpoints instead of seeing the world how it is and solving problems based on truths.

I wonder why so many conservatives send their kids to college to listen to these people for 4+ years.

I wonder why college educated people get better jobs and have higher incomes, on average.

Could it be that you are wrong?

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Ok, I agree with you there. The term is used incorrectly. But more often than not, it's not the people who are staunch socialists describing themselves as liberal. It's people on the right labeling them as liberal.

Really?

I can make it a heck of a lot more simple than that.

To the vast majority educated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Conservative = Republican and Liberal = Democrat.

Wanna talk about media bias?

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