Skyrad 0 #1 May 26, 2004 Anyone (Ori?) know what the deal is with Kaballah? I seems to be all the rage since Madona went public with her belifes but I can't find anything than mystical waffle about it. I heard that she decided to call off her tour of Israel after death threats. Is Kaballah a branch of Judaism or is it a sect? I hear that you should be over forty to start learning it and it shouldn't be taught to women. Do any of you practice it or know anything about it? Any views?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #2 May 26, 2004 I think the deal is not Kabbalah, but the fun good people with the thingy on their head just trying to silence freedom of expression among other things. But in any case here is one site http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/faq.htm#WhatisKabbalah"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #3 May 26, 2004 Thanks for the link but this a prime example of what I ment by waffle. It says alot without actualy saying anything...............Come to think of it that reminds me of someone I knowWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #4 May 26, 2004 Bunch of info here. A friend of mine is very into this. Interesting stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #5 May 26, 2004 Actualy I stand corrected. QuoteAccording to Jewish tradition, the Torah (Torah - "Law" - the first five books of the Old Testament) was created prior to the world and she advised God on such weighty matters as the creation of human kind. When Moses received the written law from God, tradition has it that he also received the oral law, which was not written down, but passed from generation to generation. At times the oral law has been referred to as "Kabbalah" - the oral tradition. The Torah was (and is) believed to be divine, and in the same way as the Torah was accompanied by an oral tradition, so there grew up a secret oral tradition which claimed to possess an initiated understanding of the Torah, its hidden meanings, and the divine power concealed within it. This is a principle root of the Kabbalistic tradition, a belief in the divinity of the Torah, and a belief that by studying this text one can unlock the secrets of the creation. Another aspect of Jewish religion which influenced Kabbalah was the Biblical phenomenon of prophecy. The prophet was an individual chosen by God as a mouthpiece, and there was the implication that God, far from being a transcendental abstraction, was a being whom one could approach (albeit with enormous difficulty, risk, fear and trembling). Some Kabbalists believed that they were the inheritors of practical techniques handed down from the time of the Biblical prophets, and it is not impossible or improbable that this was in fact the case. These two threads, one derived from the study of the Torah, the other derived from practical attempts to approach God, form the roots from which the Kabbalistic tradition developed. Yet I fail to see how this is in anyway relevent to anyone who is not Jewish?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 May 26, 2004 Thanks, it is interesting but I wonder what mainstream Jewish people think of this?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #7 May 26, 2004 Quote Yet I fail to see how this is in anyway relevent to anyone who is not Jewish? Are you kidding? Maddona/Oral tradition? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 May 26, 2004 BWWWAAAAHHHHH!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #9 May 27, 2004 QuoteYet I fail to see how this is in anyway relevent to anyone who is not Jewish? its a expression of one cultures experience of divinity, as such it has relevance for anyone who is truey looking for God, and not just a religion to take them in... if there is a "word of God" its everywhere in everything.. the trick is hearing it apart from all the chatter of mankind...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #10 May 27, 2004 Quoteif there is a "word of God" its everywhere in everything.. the trick is hearing it apart from all the chatter of mankind... you are amazing... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #11 May 27, 2004 Quoteif there is a "word of God" its everywhere in everything.. the trick is hearing it apart from all the chatter of mankind... I believe the "word of God" is found in the bible, but the "trick" you describe is still extremely applicable. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #12 May 27, 2004 and so it is. however, what many fail to understand is that there is quite alot of man's 'word' intermixed in it (the bible) as well (perhaps more so even) and that it is in no way the sole (soul) authority or path to divinity many claim it to be...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #13 May 27, 2004 Quoteit is interesting but I wonder what mainstream Jewish people think of this? sorry dude, can't really help you with that the link you've got has more than i bothered to learn about it... its mainly an ancient "way" pf connecting to nature/god and understanding things in a deeper way. since i'm not religious, i see it the same way i see the bible, as an interesting thing to study in a historical/philosophical way. i'm sure there are some interesting ideas about human nature in it and you dont have to be jewish to explore them. just be careful, some people say you can go insane from it... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #14 May 27, 2004 QuoteI heard that she decided to call off her tour of Israel after death threats really? i really doubt it. from what i know it was security and terror threats. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #15 May 27, 2004 When someone threatened to murder her her children she got cold feet. Understandably in my view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #16 May 27, 2004 QuoteWhen someone threatened to murder her her children she got cold feet. Understandably in my view. maybe, there are people who think they "own" religion everywhere... but i don't see it as any different from any other empty threats she's getting. i doubt anyone can even get near her and i dont think a crazy threat is the cause. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #17 May 27, 2004 Shes now cancled the whole tour not just Israel apparently due to illness.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #18 May 27, 2004 Not quite: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3748595.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #19 May 27, 2004 True, he's a great talker unfortunatly we're pretty bad listeners..When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydyvr 0 #11 May 27, 2004 Quoteif there is a "word of God" its everywhere in everything.. the trick is hearing it apart from all the chatter of mankind... I believe the "word of God" is found in the bible, but the "trick" you describe is still extremely applicable. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #12 May 27, 2004 and so it is. however, what many fail to understand is that there is quite alot of man's 'word' intermixed in it (the bible) as well (perhaps more so even) and that it is in no way the sole (soul) authority or path to divinity many claim it to be...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #13 May 27, 2004 Quoteit is interesting but I wonder what mainstream Jewish people think of this? sorry dude, can't really help you with that the link you've got has more than i bothered to learn about it... its mainly an ancient "way" pf connecting to nature/god and understanding things in a deeper way. since i'm not religious, i see it the same way i see the bible, as an interesting thing to study in a historical/philosophical way. i'm sure there are some interesting ideas about human nature in it and you dont have to be jewish to explore them. just be careful, some people say you can go insane from it... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #14 May 27, 2004 QuoteI heard that she decided to call off her tour of Israel after death threats really? i really doubt it. from what i know it was security and terror threats. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #15 May 27, 2004 When someone threatened to murder her her children she got cold feet. Understandably in my view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #16 May 27, 2004 QuoteWhen someone threatened to murder her her children she got cold feet. Understandably in my view. maybe, there are people who think they "own" religion everywhere... but i don't see it as any different from any other empty threats she's getting. i doubt anyone can even get near her and i dont think a crazy threat is the cause. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #17 May 27, 2004 Shes now cancled the whole tour not just Israel apparently due to illness.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #18 May 27, 2004 Not quite: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3748595.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #19 May 27, 2004 True, he's a great talker unfortunatly we're pretty bad listeners..When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
