BKS60 0 #1 February 1, 2016 I'm currently practicing and studying to attempt to get a Senior Rigger Cert. and looking for a round reserve to practice on. It does not need to be airworthy since it will only be used for practice packs. Have not had any success locating one in my area. Any help would be appreciated."You don't get many warnings in this sport before you get damaged" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjangra 0 #2 February 1, 2016 BKS60I'm currently practicing and studying to attempt to get a Senior Rigger Cert. and looking for a round reserve to practice on. It does not need to be airworthy since it will only be used for practice packs. Have not had any success locating one in my area. Any help would be appreciated. Are you specifically looking for a Round Reserve or any Round will do? I have couple of rounds that I got, to practice packing. I am not sure if they are air worthy or if they are Reserves or if they have a deployment bag. I can send one of them to you if it will work for you. PM me your shipping details and I can send one your way, in next couple of days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKS60 0 #3 February 1, 2016 Looking for a reserve canopy with tray. The DPRE I will be going to would like me to have packed one at least a few times so I have at least a basic idea of the principles and techniques. If you have one I would happily pay the shipping to me and return shipping back to you when i finish. And beer!!! :)"You don't get many warnings in this sport before you get damaged" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #4 February 1, 2016 Can anyone think of a round reserve with a deployment bag? A quarter bag or POD style thing maybe, from the military? Would have to search my Poynters. (EDIT: Looked it up. An example is the USAF B-5 bailout rig, which has a quarter bag for the C-9 canopy.) Even if thinking of a sleeve, a round reserve with that is super rare. (eg, Strong Aerosport) Although I'm picking up on the "with a deployment bag" thing, perhaps you are just looking for any round reserve to do practice packs on. 99% of which have no bag or sleeve or anything like that. Carry on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKS60 0 #5 February 1, 2016 Never had any experience with one so my question is likely posted completely wrong. I will be open to any corrections that i can learn from."You don't get many warnings in this sport before you get damaged" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,456 #6 February 1, 2016 The most common round reserves back when they were commonly in use in skydiving either had no deployment device, or a diaper. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #7 February 1, 2016 No problem. As you later implied, it would be handy for you to get a round reserve complete with a container that is set up for a round reserve. Someone has to have a really old rig kicking around... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,371 #8 February 1, 2016 Hi BKS, QuoteNever had any experience with one For starters, go to the National Parachute website, the ParaPhernalia website, the Strong Enterprises website, etc, and look at their packing manuals. This will be your first education in 'experience' with them. After you understand how they pack, then start looking. Allen Silver sometimes has old, outdated pilot rigs that you might be able to borrow for practice. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #9 February 1, 2016 Are you looking for a rating that you never plan to use? Ie to work in a packing tent? The important part I didn't see is what position you were looking for. I bought a T10R (sorry no d-bag) and packed it 80 times for my master rating and it was under $100. You could talk to Marc Nadeau - I think he's the distributor for National and if there is anyone I know who would have a diaper type round it's him. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKS60 0 #10 February 1, 2016 hackishAre you looking for a rating that you never plan to use? Ie to work in a packing tent? The important part I didn't see is what position you were looking for. I bought a T10R (sorry no d-bag) and packed it 80 times for my master rating and it was under $100. You could talk to Marc Nadeau - I think he's the distributor for National and if there is anyone I know who would have a diaper type round it's him. -Michael Yes I did leave type out. (Back) No packing tent for me. Just there are still a lot of questions that are about rounds in the testing."You don't get many warnings in this sport before you get damaged" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #11 February 1, 2016 Are you looking for a round in a pilot emergency bailout rig? Or an old round reserve in a sport rig? The first is actually fairly common. Acrobatic pilots (both power and glider) use them. So do 182 jump plane pilots (one of the STC reqs is that everyone on board have a rig on). The second, not so much. I think I know one or two jumpers who have rigs so old that they still have a round reserve in them."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #12 February 2, 2016 He is in the US. While not all DPRE's or FAA inspectors require it, I and my inspector require a senior rigger candidate to pack a round and a ram air for a back rating. As a Senior Rigger, Back rating, they have a license to pack both pilot emergency rigs with rounds and skydiver rigs with rounds. So my inspector's opinion and my opinion is they need to pack both for the practical test. So not for a rating he will never use.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #13 February 2, 2016 pchapmanCan anyone think of a round reserve with a deployment bag? A quarter bag or POD style thing maybe, from the military? Would have to search my Poynters. He didn't know he didn't need a deployment bag. But the Preserve V from Freeflite uses a deployment bag. And you need line stow hooks. I've service two many times. http://freeflightent.com/forms/PV_Pack_Inst_V.pdfI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #14 February 2, 2016 I think I was not descriptive enough. What I was trying to express is that doing all 20 of your supervised packs using a round is not a good idea. It was common a while ago for people to just do a chest rating to get their ticket just to have it. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #15 February 2, 2016 JerryBaumchenHi BKS, QuoteNever had any experience with one For starters, go to the National Parachute website, the ParaPhernalia website, the Strong Enterprises website, etc, and look at their packing manuals. This will be your first education in 'experience' with them. After you understand how they pack, then start looking. Allen Silver sometimes has old, outdated pilot rigs that you might be able to borrow for practice. Jerry Baumchen The second step is finding a grumpy, old, grey-bearded rigger to teach you how to pack rounds. Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #16 February 2, 2016 I'm old and grumpy but not much grey hair yet, certainly no beard. And about all I do these days are rounds. But spent today teaching an old grumpy grey-bearded rigger how to pack ram-airs. That a lot harder than teaching a newbie to pack rounds! Right Jim? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #17 February 2, 2016 Not much point to earning a chest rating these days. Chests were slowing retiring when I earned my first rigger rating back in 1984. Last time someone asked me to assemble a chest reserve, it took me most of a year to accumulate all the parts. For example, I have only packed 50 chest reserves, but more than 300 seat packs and more than 4,000 back type parachutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #18 February 2, 2016 I'd rather pack a round than a ram-air reserve any day... JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,371 #19 February 2, 2016 Hi Jim, QuoteI'd rather pack a round than a ram-air reserve any day... I'm currently doing some training of a local jumper to get his Master ticket. He now says the same thing. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #20 February 2, 2016 JerryBaumchenHi Jim, QuoteI'd rather pack a round than a ram-air reserve any day... I'm currently doing some training of a local jumper to get his Master ticket. He now says the same thing. Jerry Baumchen So does the Senior rigger that built the first 12 SST's for Sherman in the 70's who I'm training to pack ram air rigs.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #21 February 2, 2016 After a couple PMs, I'm going to be sending him an old Wonderhog II with a National Phantom 26'. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
