tunaplanet 0 #51 June 21, 2004 QuoteOnce you start getting symptons your mobility is very limited. True, but symptoms usually don't start to occur for 4-16 days. Plenty of time to spread it. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #52 June 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteOnce you start getting symptons your mobility is very limited. True, but symptoms usually don't start to occur for 4-16 days. Plenty of time to spread it. Very true, but most of the Ebola outbreaks occured deep in Africa and Ebola is most contagious during the final stages of infection when you start to liquify. If I get it right now and kiss my GF chances are she wont get it, I wouldnt want to volunteer for this experiment though. Here's a cool chart which traces the infection. Most transmission occured in the latter/final stages. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no11/03-0339-G.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #53 June 21, 2004 QuoteIf I get it right now and kiss my GF chances are she wont get it That's just plain false. Ebola is highly contagious from the moment you contact it. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #54 June 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf I get it right now and kiss my GF chances are she wont get it That's just plain false. Ebola is highly contagious from the moment you contact it. I said chances are, did not deny how contagious it is. Also if you look at that graph, most if not all the cases contracted it while treating the sick patient or touching the dead body. But all that pseudo science about someone with Ebola or any hemoragic fever walking into a theatre coughing and spreading it is. As is some terrorist group getting a vial and dropping it in the middle of a NYC subway or altering the bug and making it airborne or able to survive outside the host for extend amounts of time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #55 June 22, 2004 QuotePart of what the escort does is form a deterent to any hijacker on board who would then know that in the current environment he/she is not going to get away with anything other than downing the aircraft it self which would not have the intended shock value these days. Actually, I think that if a hijacker took control of a commercial aircraft and caused it to "have" to be shot down, that would have tremendous shock value -- it would be the first time a military intentionally shot down a civilian plane, right? (I know there was KAL 007 years ago, but that was not supposedly intentional). Don't you think that there would be a HUGE disruption and shock to the public if a civilian commercial jetliner were shot down, with hundreds aboard killed? Right now, in everyone's mind, it's just hypothetical; the first time it happens, I think that will make millions of people decide against flying. We thought that the effect on airlines' business was bad when the four flights got hijacked on 9/11/01? It will be ten times worse once the first airliner is shot down. So as far as the terrorists' hopes of hijacking a plane and crashing it into a specific target, I think that the second part is superfluous: all they need do to really screw with us is cause a plane to have to be shot down. That'll be enough. Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #56 June 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteonly makes sense from a deterrence standpoint Well thank God the people that actually make those decisions don't agree with you. You are really out of touch, man. From the moronic statements you've made disparaging highly-trained commercial pilots to the implication that unarmed pilots can defend a plane better than armed ones, you've shown a bias that cannot be logically or rationally accounted for. But with the above statement, you put your ignorance on display. You see, the people who make the decisions DO agree with us, and there is a program already in motion to train and arm pilots. (It is being hampered by the asshole TSA higher-ups, but it is there.) Slowly but surely, though, with pressure from sensible pilots organizations, the NRA, and anyone else with a brain, pressure is being brought to bear to stop TSA's obstructionism regarding getting guns into the pilots' possession. So what was that again about the people who make the decisions not agreeing with us? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #57 June 22, 2004 Disruption of commercial travel, probably but no more than 9/11. Shock to the population's psyche, not nearly like 9/11. That day fully introduced the US to what a large part of the world has been dealing with for years. We now have to accept that we are no safer than anyone else. Downing the plane will be looked at as something regretable but required. The treatment of the surviving family members will make what was done for the 9/11 families look like nothing. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #58 June 22, 2004 "it would be the first time a military intentionally shot down a civilian plane, right? (I know there was KAL 007 years ago, but that was not supposedly intentional). " Jeffrey, google for USS Vincennes, as I mentioned it up the thread, or go here for some details about this debacle. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5260/vince.html The Iranian Airbus was shot down, with the loss of 290 lives, it was dismissed at the time as a 'wartime' accident. Mistaken identity, so we'll not class it in the same league as actually deliberately firing on civilians. Makes you think though.........-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #59 June 22, 2004 >You are correct. Using planes in that manner would most likely never >happen again. The entire plane would be on these guys. There are other kinds of airplanes. A King Air, loaded with ANFO and ball bearings and sent via autopilot to, say, a Padres game, would be unstoppable under our current system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #60 June 22, 2004 Bruce Dern - "Black Sunday" - 1977 QuoteA demented war veteran (Bruce Dern) plots to kill thousands of innocent Americans at the Superbowl in Miami, by releasing a specially designed dart-gun from the Goodyear blimp which flies above the stadium. However, a tough Middle Eastern anti-terrorist agent (Robert Shaw) has uncovered some of the plot and is out to stop him. They used a blimp. The gondola is lined with C-4 and small ball-bearings. He was modeling it after a Claymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
