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Fuck. I hope they track the responsible group down and pick them off like flies. The Saudi government most likely did the right thing in not giving in to the demands. But this really sucks.

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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C.N.N reports: Body of Paul M. Johnson Jr. found in Riyadh.
U.S. government confirms death.
An 'Islamic website' had posted graphic photos of murder.

www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fnec&ti=100

Saudi security officials later said Johnson's body was found in al-Munisiyah district just outside the capital, Riyadh. Police cordoned off the area, said the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.

In Washington, a U.S. official confirmed that Johnson had been beheaded. At the top of the list of suspects is Abdulaziz Issa Abdul-Mohsin al-Moqrin, the top al-Qaida figure in Saudi Arabia, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said U.S. officials were awaiting confirmation of Johnson's death from Saudi officials. But he condemned the reported killing as "an action of barbarism ... that shows, once again, what the world is dealing with."

"If anything, it will cause us - I'm quite confident it will cause our Saudi colleagues - to redouble our efforts to go after terrorists wherever they are, wherever they try to hide," Powell said.


Al-Moqrin's group Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula has claimed responsiblity for most anti-Westerner attacks in the past two months.

"In answer to what we promised ... to kill the hostage Paul Marshall (Johnson) after the period is over ... the infidel got his fair treatment," the al-Qaida statement said.

"Let him taste something of what Muslims have long tasted from Apache helicopter fire and missiles," the statement said

One of the three photographs posted on the Web site showed a man's head, face toward the camera, being held by a hand. The other two showed a beheaded body lying prone on a bed, with the severed head placed in the small of his back, the clothes underneath bloodied.

The face looked like Johnson's.

The beheaded body was dressed in a bright orange jumpsuit, similar to one Johnson is seen wearing in earlier videos released by the kidnappers.

"To the Americans and whoever is their ally in the infidel and criminal world and their allies in the war against Islam, this action is punishment to them and a lesson for them to know that whoever steps foot in our country, this decisive action will be his fate," the statement said.

Soon after the statement appeared, the Web site was inaccessible, with a message saying it was closed for maintenance.

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Good news for a change:
Al Qaeda leader in Saudi Arabia has been killed, Al-Arabiyah reports. CNN working to confirm.
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C.N.N confirms:
Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, the leader of al Qaeda's cell in Saudi Arabia, was killed, Saudi security sources told CNN.

He was killed while disposing of Johnson's body, the Arabic-language television network Al-Arabiya reported.

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Like the guy on FOX News said, "Denounce this in every mosque if you are serious about stopping this terror". RIP Paul M. Johnson



EXACTLY!!! This has been overlooked long enough. If there is a voice of reason, let us hear it. It is time for muslim leaders to make it clear, VERY clear, that this and any form of terrorism is unacceptable.

And I don't just mean some 8th page article from some US muslim leader, I'm talking about widespread, international condemnation of these extremist fucktards. If it exists, MAKE IT HEARD ALREADY.
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Like the guy on FOX News said, "Denounce this in every mosque if you are serious about stopping this terror". RIP Paul M. Johnson



EXACTLY!!! This has been overlooked long enough. If there is a voice of reason, let us hear it. It is time for muslim leaders to make it clear, VERY clear, that this and any form of terrorism is unacceptable.

And I don't just mean some 8th page article from some US muslim leader, I'm talking about widespread, international condemnation of these extremist fucktards. If it exists, MAKE IT HEARD ALREADY.



It isn't going to happen. The way they stay in power is by inciting hatred for America. Same tactic Hitler used to get Germans to hate jews. Blaming all of Germanys problems on them.

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It isn't going to happen. The way they stay in power is by inciting hatred for America. Same tactic Hitler used to get Germans to hate jews. Blaming all of Germanys problems on them.



Islam = The new Nazi-ism.

Good thing they are so far removed technologically.


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Where are all of our peace-loving friends on here now?
This makes me sick!! If people don't believe we are at war for our survival, I don't know how else to explain it to them.
They ( muslim extremists) would like to see all of us westerners end up like Mr. Johnson.
That's the bottom line!!!
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Well said.

I think the term 'radical' or 'extremist' should not be used to describe these guys.

When so few muslim leaders condemn the terrorists, when so many muslims publicly support their goals/actions, and even more support them in "private", they should be considered mainstream (I think opinion polls in muslim countries show this to be true).

We should stop trying to fool ourselves into thinking that this is not a religious war. It is a one-sided religious war - their religion against the free world.
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When so few muslim leaders condemn the terrorists, when so many muslims publicly support their goals/actions, and even more support them in "private", they should be considered mainstream (I think opinion polls in muslim countries show this to be true).



I wonder what would would happen if any group claiming to be "christian" were to begin publically beheading muslims.

Gee, I know!

Every christian voice, from the Pope right down to the preacher of the 20 man church, would condemn it, and condemn it VERY LOUDLY. What gives?


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http://www.mcb.org.uk/presstext.php?ann_id=88
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article25.shtml
http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/01/1075570284319.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/31/saudi.hajj.ap/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1144842/posts
http://www.islamfortoday.com/gambia4.htm
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/7847004.htm?1c

From the State department:
http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh01101002.html

More Recently:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133570/posts
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/3316157/detail.html

Some of the links are very biased, but just since its not the lead story on the news every night does'nt mean that they are not condemning it. How often was it broadcast about the catholic church condemning anyone involved in the issues in its church?

Do they need to take a full page ad out in the Wall Street Journal? Maybe since it seems their message is'nt getting to far as is.

5 minutes on google will provide another 100+ links if you want to look them up :)
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Some of the links are very biased . . .



Yea, no kidding.


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. . . but just since its not the lead story on the news every night does'nt mean that they are not condemning it.



If two hijacked jets had smacked buildings outside the green zone in Iraq 3 years ago, how many Christians around the world (esp. the US) would've been partying in the streets over it?

Answer: -zero-


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How often was it broadcast about the catholic church condemning anyone involved in the issues in its church?



Every day. Any FOX news watcher can verify this.


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On the question of State House Imam Fatty's statement that the US government should be blamed for the attack because of their policies, Professor Dumbuya refused to comment, claiming that only "half educated Muslims will support terrorism."



The very first of your links that I randomly picked showed me that little gem.

There seem to be a lot of half educated muslims.

I remember several months back, a journalist was asking an Islamic leader if a particular terrorist organization should be condemned. He refused to do so. He was quite willing to condemn the actions of individual terrorists, but over and over again tried to spin his way out of condeming the group which specifically took credit for the action.

Haven't you seen some of the video of Islamic leaders saying one thing on the street and for the press, but quite another inside the mosque?

edit - again I say, such leaders are not radical, they are mainstream among their faithful.
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I remember several months back, a journalist was asking an Islamic leader if a particular terrorist organization should be condemned. He refused to do so. He was quite willing to condemn the actions of individual terrorists, but over and over again tried to spin his way out of condeming the group which specifically took credit for the action.


In addition, you seldom hear any U.S. political leader questioning our blind support for Israel's policies and their occupation of the territories that would be impossible without U.S. financial aid. And the average American cannot seem to make the connection either. Our blind support for Israel has been costing America its prosperity for years, and now its costing us our safety around the world and at home.

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Our blind support for Israel has been costing America its prosperity for years, and now its costing us our safety around the world and at home.



What a TOTAL crock of shit.

To those with eyes, our support for Israel is anything but blind. Get some.


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occupation of the territories



Arabs were on the wrong side of WWII

Arabs refused to participate in the UN's actions that created Israel, instead vowing to destroy it.

The Grand Mufti told said that Arabs had better leave before we attack Israel. This is what created refugees.

They tried.

They failed.

And failed again a few more times.

I think much of the problem some have with Israel is because their religion is not separated from their state, contrary to something so important to the US.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Yeah, there are tons of mentions of clerics condemning terrorism. They seem to condemn it just as Arafat did... in words only. I think if it was a worldwide outcry from muslim leaders, it'd be more than something you have to google for... you'd see it everywhere, and in the actions of people.

If Islam is a religion with a large collective conscience, it needs to become part of the culture that terrorism and 'jihad' are NOT acceptable. Otherwise, their silence is almost as bad as giving their approval.
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The U.N. borders selected for Israel were not defendable. The borders Israel has chosen for its settlements following the six-days war are not defendable without huge annual subsidies from the U.S. taxpayers. This is what I have a problem with...namely the financial aid that appears must continue in perpetuity for Israel to survive. The lion's share of U.S. financial aid in the world is swallowed up between Egypt and Israel, and little progress has been. It is tough to find any products from the middle east on store shelves, a clear sign that subsides will have to continue far into the foreseeable future. Clearly, limits need to be established.

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