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mikkey 0
QuoteFact is, terrorist attacks have been going on for centuries over there. The thing is we are just now becoming more aware of it because it is hitting closer to home. Think for a second....If it weren't Americans or our allies, would we be caring as much?
Your statement is factual incorrect. Please tell me about terrorist attacks centuries ago? Terrorist attacks: Suicide and car bombings, kidnappings, attacks on soldiers and convoys etc. etc. have all occurred in Iraq post invasion. Many of them have been attributed to Al Qaeda, some to SH followers and some to radical Shia's like Sadr.
I think many people are not aware how many hundreds of Iraqi's have been killed in recent months by these attacks. On top of that you have attacks on westerners - not just in Iraq but also in Saudi Arabia.
I am honestly surprised how difficult some people find it to recognize the sad truth. The sad truth is that terrorism has increased not diminished since Iraq was attacked.
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-- Oliver Wendell Holmes
TomAiello 26
Quotehas there been more or less terrorist attacks since the invasion of Iraq 15 months ago? Answer yes or no for me. No going into a long, word-twisting dialog. Yes or no?
The appropriate question is not "have there been more attacks since the invasion?", but rather "would there have been more or less attacks absent the invasion?"
You can't compare to pre-invasion. You have to posit the existence of a current time without the invasion, and compare to that.
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agreed. Had it not happened this invasion. Probably SH would have continued with his former goverment and politics. I doubt he would have attempted to invade another country, and for sure he couldn´t have done much against the US or Europe. Many Iraquis would have died for being against SH, although i don´t think that would have been as many as all the collateral damage the US and UK managed to inflict. Regarding terrorist attacks, there would have been a lot of terrorist attacks beetwen tribal groups as always. At the moment all the islamic groups seem to have put on hold their diferences and concentrate on attacking their common enemy.
It is hard to tell if there is now more terrorist attacks than if there wasn´t a war (personally i think that yes) but in any case, now the attacks are directed against you, not against eachother. And i hope that no right wing, war supporter sais now that they value iraqui´s lives
It is hard to tell if there is now more terrorist attacks than if there wasn´t a war (personally i think that yes) but in any case, now the attacks are directed against you, not against eachother. And i hope that no right wing, war supporter sais now that they value iraqui´s lives
crozby 0
What criteria would you use to determine that both invasions are finished? And when do you recon that will happen?
Kennedy 0
Are you really going to sit there and say that massacres and atrocities haven't been going on for centuries over there?
(A) Of course more Iraqis are dead now than were before Iraqi Freedom. The Baathists and anti-american forces fought for power and are now dead. The Iraqis who worked with the US (and continue today as cops and soldiers) died fighting the regime and now the insurgents.
(B) As Tom said, you can't compare before and after. You have to compare quality of life and fear factor to pass any before and after judgments. US troops were not within reach, so terrorism did not happen against us. Terrorism against the people was not necessary because the dictator was in control with no effective opposition in most areas. He used torture and thug squads, rather than terrorism.
Terrorism is on the rise because that's all that's available.
The numbers are also higher because, as someone else said, we are aware of it now. We are there with people on the ground to keep track of things.
It's just like when NYPD started a crime hotline, and the crime rate soared in test areas. Some dipshit politicians blamed the phone number. Criminologists had to use small words to explain that they were just learning about more crimes now - the number hadn't risen, their awareness had.
(A) Of course more Iraqis are dead now than were before Iraqi Freedom. The Baathists and anti-american forces fought for power and are now dead. The Iraqis who worked with the US (and continue today as cops and soldiers) died fighting the regime and now the insurgents.
(B) As Tom said, you can't compare before and after. You have to compare quality of life and fear factor to pass any before and after judgments. US troops were not within reach, so terrorism did not happen against us. Terrorism against the people was not necessary because the dictator was in control with no effective opposition in most areas. He used torture and thug squads, rather than terrorism.
Terrorism is on the rise because that's all that's available.
The numbers are also higher because, as someone else said, we are aware of it now. We are there with people on the ground to keep track of things.
It's just like when NYPD started a crime hotline, and the crime rate soared in test areas. Some dipshit politicians blamed the phone number. Criminologists had to use small words to explain that they were just learning about more crimes now - the number hadn't risen, their awareness had.
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It's time we stopped letting the oil companies make us their bitches--time to switch to ethanol instead of gasoline...I'd sooner line the pockets of farmers than oil sheiks...
Then isolate the M.E. on the international political stage..
Then isolate the M.E. on the international political stage..
Well unless I've missed something, he hasn't been killed yet. The deadline's come and gone. Good news, hopefully.
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Then perhaps you should wait until we are finished and then make a decision.
Come on man. Be fair. If I cut down on my salt intake, excercise regularly, watch my colesterol... and am careful with my skydiving - I could live another 55 - 60 years. Do you really expect me to wait that long?
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Al-Jazeera TV reports Iraqi militant group has killed South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il. CNN working to confirm.
I think too we are looking at frequency of attacks and not casualties of attacks.
A few being killed in several attacks is a lot better than an organized group killing THOUSANDS in one big attack.
These recent kidnappings are efforts of smaller groups trying to make an impact IMO. AQ doesn't seem to have the capabilities they did pre 9/11.
Also, you always seem to hear when bad things happen, but not so much attacks which were prevented from better intel we are getting. This intel is coming from the source. From prisoners and from groups we have infiltrated.
These intel reports are the sort of thing we DID NOT have pre 9/11 due to the Toricelli Principal (SP?)
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A few being killed in several attacks is a lot better than an organized group killing THOUSANDS in one big attack.
These recent kidnappings are efforts of smaller groups trying to make an impact IMO. AQ doesn't seem to have the capabilities they did pre 9/11.
Also, you always seem to hear when bad things happen, but not so much attacks which were prevented from better intel we are getting. This intel is coming from the source. From prisoners and from groups we have infiltrated.
These intel reports are the sort of thing we DID NOT have pre 9/11 due to the Toricelli Principal (SP?)
Chris
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QuoteAQ doesn't seem to have the capabilities they did pre 9/11.
You mean that complex and sophisticated capability of getting on an airplane with a box cutter?
No the organization time and money it took
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Luv2Fall 0
Comcast News reports he was beheaded approximately two hours ago...............................
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