quade 4 #226 July 5, 2004 Quote People believe what they want to believe. On this point -- we have no argument.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #227 July 5, 2004 Come on guys, neither one of you can definitively say that the article stating Fox viewers were more likely to be wrong about the WMD and al-qaida thing. In order to say that, you have to have proven that there were no WMD and there was no AQ connection. The 9/11 report doesn't PROVE that these things didn't exist, it just says it couldn't find them. SO, rushmc is assuming that there will eventually be proof of these connections and you and the report about Fox viewers is assuming that there will be proof against these connections. That's all.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #228 July 5, 2004 Quote The 9/11 report doesn't PROVE that these things didn't exist, it just says it couldn't find them. While the lack of evidence is not itself evidence and while you can't prove a negative -- it's pretty easy to prove that the mobile labs we captured and analyzed (the ones Powell talked about in his UN address) hadn't made any WMDs. It's pretty easy to prove that all of the locations that we said had them (like the bunkers that Powell talked about in his UN address) -- didn't. So, yeah, we can't -prove- Iraq didn't have a big stockpile of WMDs like we said he did, but we've pretty much proven to ourselves we sure as hell didn't know what the freek we were talking about when we said he did. He -may- have in fact had them, but we sure were freeking clueless about where they might be.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #229 July 5, 2004 Maybe, but that wasn't what my post was about... ...it was about the Fox viewers being wrong stuff. I'm just saying that it's only opinion until there is proof one way or the other... and in time, I'm sure there will be enough reason to say yes or no to the fact that the WMD were there and there was an AQ connection. Right.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #230 July 5, 2004 That's a hell of a cop out you have there Trent. A bit like saying we can't prove UFO abductees are looney's because some day we -might- find out that UFOs did land at one point or another. Still wouldn't prove they aren't looney's though. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #231 July 5, 2004 QuoteThat's a hell of a cop out you have there Trent. A bit like saying we can't prove UFO abductees are looney's because some day we -might- find out that UFOs did land at one point or another. Still wouldn't prove they aren't looney's though. Except there isn't any arguement as to whether he had them or not. Only where they are now. If we had indesputable proof a UFO had landed and then went back later and could find no physical evidence, would you conclude it never happened? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #232 July 5, 2004 If you had (sic) "indesputable proof" then you wouldn't -have- to prove it later because you'd already have the proof. This is not the case in Iraq.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #233 July 5, 2004 >If we had indesputable proof a UFO had landed and then went back > later and could find no physical evidence, would you conclude it >never happened? We have such proof. Scorch marks, blurry streaks on photographs, crop circles, even reports from military and civilian pilots. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #234 July 5, 2004 QuoteIf you had (sic) "undisputable proof" then you wouldn't -have- to prove it later because you'd already have the proof. This is not the case in Iraq. But I thought you libs like to argue that "we know he had them because we sold them to him". How much more proof do you need? If we know he had them, where are they? Isn't the proof, the receipts you libs claim we have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #235 July 5, 2004 Quote>If we had indesputable proof a UFO had landed and then went back > later and could find no physical evidence, would you conclude it >never happened? We have such proof. Scorch marks, blurry streaks on photographs, crop circles, even reports from military and civilian pilots. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? Isn't it you who has argued we sold them to him? So there's proof he had them, so where are they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #236 July 5, 2004 Quote But I thought you libs like to argue that "we know he had them because we sold them to him". How much more proof do you need? If we know he had them, where are they? Isn't the proof, the receipts you libs claim we have? That would only account for very old materials that likely had already been used, sold to other parties or had become unstable. It would NOT account for the claims made in GWB, Powell and other's speechs in the build up toward the war. Looked at another way, my tax receipts may indicate that I -had- a Carl's Jr. 6 Dollar Burger on a business trip, but in no way does that indicate I still -have- the hamburger in any usable form.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #237 July 5, 2004 QuoteQuote But I thought you libs like to argue that "we know he had them because we sold them to him". How much more proof do you need? If we know he had them, Quotewhere are they? Isn't the proof, the receipts you libs claim we have? QuoteThat would only account for very old materials that likely had already been used, sold to other parties or had become unstable. But you can't prove this is true, can you? QuoteIt would NOT account for the claims made in GWB, Powell and other's speechs in the build up toward the war. How do you know? If we haven't found them yet, how do you know? Where are the WMD's Clinton (both), Kerry, Kennedy etc said he definitely had? You can't prove anything but yet you claim to have better sources than all the U.S. politicians? QuoteLooked at another way, my tax receipts may indicate that I -had- a Carl's Jr. 6 Dollar Burger on a business trip, but in no way does that indicate I still -have- the hamburger in any usable form. Thats a pretty rediculous analogy IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #238 July 5, 2004 Quote ***It would NOT account for the claims made in GWB, Powell and other's speechs in the build up toward the war. How do you know? If we haven't found them yet, how do you know? Because we had total an unrestricted access to the sites for 15 months and didn't find what we said we would find. I think that's pretty conclusive that GWB and Powell had no freekin' clue what they were talking about. We bitched and moaned that the UN inspectors weren't being allowed access and THAT was the reason they couldn't find them. Well, we had TOTAL access for 15 months and turned up NOTHING. Not one scintilla of proof that he had ANYTHING.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #239 July 5, 2004 Quote>These answers are wrong in my opinion. There have been evidence > of WMDs, there is a clear link, and I don't care what other countries > think. Hence you reinforce the validity of the report. Quote Nice, I can see where this debate is going >The evedence of a link has existed since Clinton, but that was never > the reason given by Bush to go to war. Here is a link to Bush's letter to congress announcing his intention to go to war: ------------------------------------------ Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that: . . . (2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001. --------------------------------------- So Bush himself proposed war against Iraq as part of the war against Al Qaeda. That was the official reason he gave to congress. Quote OK, so he is even more correct than I thought >And now the serin filled shells but lets just ignore them. We've found far more biological and chemical weapons in garbage pits here in the US. The world is waiting for the WMD arsenals we told the world he had, that could be launched inside of 45 minutes. We told the world we knew exactly where they were, that we knew where the labs were. At one point Bush said we had found them. Turned out to be all wrong. Quote That make finding them in Iraq not important??OK >Your great sources choose not to discuss this information because it > does not support their AGENDA. It's one source, actually. That is not true, we wrote of FOX but others have taken on the information but CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and NPR can not because it does not back up thier agenda."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #240 July 6, 2004 QuoteQuote ***It would NOT account for the claims made in GWB, Powell and other's speechs in the build up toward the war. How do you know? If we haven't found them yet, how do you know? Because we had total an unrestricted access to the sites for 15 months and didn't find what we said we would find. I think that's pretty conclusive that GWB and Powell had no freekin' clue what they were talking about. We bitched and moaned that the UN inspectors weren't being allowed access and THAT was the reason they couldn't find them. Well, we had TOTAL access for 15 months and turned up NOTHING. Not one scintilla of proof that he had ANYTHING. But..but.. what about those receipts?? We sold them to him remember? You can theorize what happened to them but the truth is you have less evidence he doesn't have them than GWB had evidence he did. Yet you have no problem criticizing GWB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #241 July 6, 2004 It's so sad to see such a formerly worthy opponent go down in flames. That was just pathetic. Admit it, ya got nothing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #242 July 6, 2004 QuoteIt's so sad to see such a formerly worthy opponent go down in flames. That was just pathetic. Admit it, ya got nothing. No comeback eh ? It's OK, it will all be over in a few months and then you can go back to skydiving again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #243 July 6, 2004 Look at your jumps/year, then look at mine . . . I get in plenty of skydives. (God, has it really come to this?)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #244 July 6, 2004 Wow, you guys sound like those two kids that sat next to me in third grade during finger-painting. I'm waiting for the, "I know you are but what am I?" reply next. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #245 July 6, 2004 QuoteLook at your jumps/year, then look at mine . . . I get in plenty of skydives. (God, has it really come to this?) Only means I have a life outside of skydiving and my life experiences are multi-dimensional. I know thats tough to understand but I do have other interests. Agreed, it's sad it's come to this isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #246 July 6, 2004 QuoteWow, you guys sound like those two kids that sat next to me in third grade during finger-painting. I'm waiting for the, "I know you are but what am I?" reply next. He started it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #247 July 6, 2004 >Isn't it you who has argued we sold them to him? So there's proof he > had them, so where are they? I'll answer your question if you answer mine. There is proof, but no physical evidence, that there are UFO's. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? If you cannot answer without contradicting yourself, no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #248 July 6, 2004 Quote>Isn't it you who has argued we sold them to him? So there's proof he > had them, so where are they? I'll answer your question if you answer mine. There is proof, but no physical evidence, that there are UFO's. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? If you cannot answer without contradicting yourself, no problem. What proof is there that people are being abducted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #249 July 6, 2004 QuoteWe have such proof. Scorch marks, blurry streaks on photographs, crop circles, even reports from military and civilian pilots. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? Yes. How else do you explain me?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TypicalFish 0 #250 July 6, 2004 A favorite quote: "If extraterrestrials are so smart, why do they keep abducting the dumbest people on earth?" No offense, diablopilot, BTW."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next Page 10 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
quade 4 #238 July 5, 2004 Quote ***It would NOT account for the claims made in GWB, Powell and other's speechs in the build up toward the war. How do you know? If we haven't found them yet, how do you know? Because we had total an unrestricted access to the sites for 15 months and didn't find what we said we would find. I think that's pretty conclusive that GWB and Powell had no freekin' clue what they were talking about. We bitched and moaned that the UN inspectors weren't being allowed access and THAT was the reason they couldn't find them. Well, we had TOTAL access for 15 months and turned up NOTHING. Not one scintilla of proof that he had ANYTHING.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #239 July 5, 2004 Quote>These answers are wrong in my opinion. There have been evidence > of WMDs, there is a clear link, and I don't care what other countries > think. Hence you reinforce the validity of the report. Quote Nice, I can see where this debate is going >The evedence of a link has existed since Clinton, but that was never > the reason given by Bush to go to war. Here is a link to Bush's letter to congress announcing his intention to go to war: ------------------------------------------ Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that: . . . (2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001. --------------------------------------- So Bush himself proposed war against Iraq as part of the war against Al Qaeda. That was the official reason he gave to congress. Quote OK, so he is even more correct than I thought >And now the serin filled shells but lets just ignore them. We've found far more biological and chemical weapons in garbage pits here in the US. The world is waiting for the WMD arsenals we told the world he had, that could be launched inside of 45 minutes. We told the world we knew exactly where they were, that we knew where the labs were. At one point Bush said we had found them. Turned out to be all wrong. Quote That make finding them in Iraq not important??OK >Your great sources choose not to discuss this information because it > does not support their AGENDA. It's one source, actually. That is not true, we wrote of FOX but others have taken on the information but CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and NPR can not because it does not back up thier agenda."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #240 July 6, 2004 QuoteQuote ***It would NOT account for the claims made in GWB, Powell and other's speechs in the build up toward the war. How do you know? If we haven't found them yet, how do you know? Because we had total an unrestricted access to the sites for 15 months and didn't find what we said we would find. I think that's pretty conclusive that GWB and Powell had no freekin' clue what they were talking about. We bitched and moaned that the UN inspectors weren't being allowed access and THAT was the reason they couldn't find them. Well, we had TOTAL access for 15 months and turned up NOTHING. Not one scintilla of proof that he had ANYTHING. But..but.. what about those receipts?? We sold them to him remember? You can theorize what happened to them but the truth is you have less evidence he doesn't have them than GWB had evidence he did. Yet you have no problem criticizing GWB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #241 July 6, 2004 It's so sad to see such a formerly worthy opponent go down in flames. That was just pathetic. Admit it, ya got nothing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #242 July 6, 2004 QuoteIt's so sad to see such a formerly worthy opponent go down in flames. That was just pathetic. Admit it, ya got nothing. No comeback eh ? It's OK, it will all be over in a few months and then you can go back to skydiving again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #243 July 6, 2004 Look at your jumps/year, then look at mine . . . I get in plenty of skydives. (God, has it really come to this?)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #244 July 6, 2004 Wow, you guys sound like those two kids that sat next to me in third grade during finger-painting. I'm waiting for the, "I know you are but what am I?" reply next. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #245 July 6, 2004 QuoteLook at your jumps/year, then look at mine . . . I get in plenty of skydives. (God, has it really come to this?) Only means I have a life outside of skydiving and my life experiences are multi-dimensional. I know thats tough to understand but I do have other interests. Agreed, it's sad it's come to this isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #246 July 6, 2004 QuoteWow, you guys sound like those two kids that sat next to me in third grade during finger-painting. I'm waiting for the, "I know you are but what am I?" reply next. He started it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #247 July 6, 2004 >Isn't it you who has argued we sold them to him? So there's proof he > had them, so where are they? I'll answer your question if you answer mine. There is proof, but no physical evidence, that there are UFO's. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? If you cannot answer without contradicting yourself, no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #248 July 6, 2004 Quote>Isn't it you who has argued we sold them to him? So there's proof he > had them, so where are they? I'll answer your question if you answer mine. There is proof, but no physical evidence, that there are UFO's. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? If you cannot answer without contradicting yourself, no problem. What proof is there that people are being abducted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #249 July 6, 2004 QuoteWe have such proof. Scorch marks, blurry streaks on photographs, crop circles, even reports from military and civilian pilots. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? Yes. How else do you explain me?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TypicalFish 0 #250 July 6, 2004 A favorite quote: "If extraterrestrials are so smart, why do they keep abducting the dumbest people on earth?" No offense, diablopilot, BTW."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next Page 10 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Gravitymaster 0 #240 July 6, 2004 QuoteQuote ***It would NOT account for the claims made in GWB, Powell and other's speechs in the build up toward the war. How do you know? If we haven't found them yet, how do you know? Because we had total an unrestricted access to the sites for 15 months and didn't find what we said we would find. I think that's pretty conclusive that GWB and Powell had no freekin' clue what they were talking about. We bitched and moaned that the UN inspectors weren't being allowed access and THAT was the reason they couldn't find them. Well, we had TOTAL access for 15 months and turned up NOTHING. Not one scintilla of proof that he had ANYTHING. But..but.. what about those receipts?? We sold them to him remember? You can theorize what happened to them but the truth is you have less evidence he doesn't have them than GWB had evidence he did. Yet you have no problem criticizing GWB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #241 July 6, 2004 It's so sad to see such a formerly worthy opponent go down in flames. That was just pathetic. Admit it, ya got nothing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #242 July 6, 2004 QuoteIt's so sad to see such a formerly worthy opponent go down in flames. That was just pathetic. Admit it, ya got nothing. No comeback eh ? It's OK, it will all be over in a few months and then you can go back to skydiving again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #243 July 6, 2004 Look at your jumps/year, then look at mine . . . I get in plenty of skydives. (God, has it really come to this?)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #244 July 6, 2004 Wow, you guys sound like those two kids that sat next to me in third grade during finger-painting. I'm waiting for the, "I know you are but what am I?" reply next. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #245 July 6, 2004 QuoteLook at your jumps/year, then look at mine . . . I get in plenty of skydives. (God, has it really come to this?) Only means I have a life outside of skydiving and my life experiences are multi-dimensional. I know thats tough to understand but I do have other interests. Agreed, it's sad it's come to this isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #246 July 6, 2004 QuoteWow, you guys sound like those two kids that sat next to me in third grade during finger-painting. I'm waiting for the, "I know you are but what am I?" reply next. He started it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #247 July 6, 2004 >Isn't it you who has argued we sold them to him? So there's proof he > had them, so where are they? I'll answer your question if you answer mine. There is proof, but no physical evidence, that there are UFO's. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? If you cannot answer without contradicting yourself, no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #248 July 6, 2004 Quote>Isn't it you who has argued we sold them to him? So there's proof he > had them, so where are they? I'll answer your question if you answer mine. There is proof, but no physical evidence, that there are UFO's. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? If you cannot answer without contradicting yourself, no problem. What proof is there that people are being abducted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #249 July 6, 2004 QuoteWe have such proof. Scorch marks, blurry streaks on photographs, crop circles, even reports from military and civilian pilots. Do you believe that people are abducted, experimented on and returned to earth by extraterrestrials? Yes. How else do you explain me?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #250 July 6, 2004 A favorite quote: "If extraterrestrials are so smart, why do they keep abducting the dumbest people on earth?" No offense, diablopilot, BTW."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
