Fairenheit 9/11 review

[rushmc 23]

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

Try this......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

.....in the wrong context with fiction called facts. Read this http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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I'd avoid letting them know that through their actions, people in the US are becoming divided. THAT's what they want, and we're already giving it to them.

They're not dividing us. We Are. If anything bin lodin united us. We were more united as a nation after 9/11 than we've been in a very long time. Deceit and lies are dividing us, not the "enemy."

I agree and it is Moores's lies that are doing it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

The difference being . . . the other folks had the sense not to launch a war over it. There's a hell of a lot of difference between believing something and believing something strongly enough to place a couple hundred thousand of your own troops at risk to invade a country. Don't get me wrong, I understand why GWB may have thought that in light of the attacks of 9/11, but then again, he had the resources of the best intelligence gathering agencies in the world at his disposal so . . . either he's a dupe for believing the false information or he's an evil genius trying to take over a country for his own reasons.

Either way . . . as it turns out . . . he was wrong.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Keith 0]

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I agree and it is Moores's lies that are doing it

Do you actually believe Michael Moore has that much influence? I certainly don't.

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[skydyvr 0]

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Do you actually believe Michael Moore has that much influence? I certainly don't.

I do. None of my liberal friends will shut up about the guy or the movie.

Unlike Kerry, I guess Moore is giving them something interesting to yak about.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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Do you actually believe Michael Moore has that much influence? I certainly don't.

I do. None of my liberal friends will shut up about the guy or the movie.

Unlike Kerry, I guess Moore is giving them something interesting to yak about.

Michael Moore says Americans are the dumbest people on the planet. Judging by ticket sales to F9/11.... I'd say he's right.

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Never underestimate the power and influence of ignorant people in large numbers. Democrats thrive on this.

[Zennie 0]

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Never underestimate the power and influence of ignorant people in large numbers. Democrats thrive on this.

Realize that the same could be said of the folks listening to right-wing talk show hosts as well.

It cuts both ways.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[rushmc 23]

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The difference being . . . the other folks had the sense not to launch a war over it. There's a hell of a lot of difference between believing something and believing something strongly enough to place a couple hundred thousand of your own troops at risk to invade a country. Don't get me wrong, I understand why GWB may have thought that in light of the attacks of 9/11, but then again, he had the resources of the best intelligence gathering agencies in the world at his disposal so . . . either he's a dupe for believing the false information or he's an evil genius trying to take over a country for his own reasons.

Either way . . . as it turns out . . . he was wrong.

No, he is right and the election and history will prove that IMHO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Never underestimate the power and influence of ignorant people in large numbers. Democrats thrive on this.

Realize that the same could be said of the folks listening to right-wing talk show hosts as well.

It cuts both ways.

Funny, I don't remember any right-wing talk show hosts saying that about their audience.

[Shark 0]

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but then again, he had the resources of the best intelligence gathering agencies in the world at his disposal so . . .

Yep, same 'ol intelligence agency that your boy Clinton depended on. But yeah, sure blew the shit out of that milk factory and the Chinese embassy.

[quade 4]

First of all (and I'm certain this isn't for the last time but I'll go ahead and say it one more time for those that aren't paying attention) Clinton was not "my boy".

Although I liked him a hell of a lot more than I do GWB, that's not saying much. I was, at best, indifferent towards Clinton

Second. GWB really should have studied his history about intelligence gathering from his father, JFK and Clinton. In other words, ya really can't trust it very much. Therefore, ya better make damn sure you know what you're talking about before starting a war.

Too bad he didn't.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Keith 0]

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I do. None of my liberal friends will shut up about the guy or the movie.

Unlike Kerry, I guess Moore is giving them something interesting to yak about.

Yes, he gave us liberal scum something to "yak" about. He didn't influence us though. If the conservative "superior" would go see the movie, they'd see that he doesn't present anything new; he simply replays news coverage. Yeah, yeah, I know, from the liberal media; The liberal media that's owned by conservatives.

edited for spelling errors

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[skydyvr 0]

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Yes, he gave us liberal scum something to "yak" about. He didn't influence us though. If the conservative "superior" would go see the movie, they'd see that he doesn't present anything new; he simply replays news coverage. Yeah, yeah, I know, from the liberal media; The liberal media that's owned by conservatives.

Well, as a "superior" republican, I do plan to "go slumming" and see the movie so I won't sound like such a nincompoop while "yakkng" about it with my "inferior" liberal friends.

But I'll tell you right now, I'm am NOT laughing or having a good time in any way during movie. Plus, I'm going to sneak in wearing a ball hat and sunglasses, sit there smugly the whole time, then go home and finish reading Mein Kampf after the movie. So there.

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Edit: PS . . . Keith, can I borrow your sunglasses?

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[Keith 0]

I think we could be friends. At least you're willing to go see it with a closed mind

Keith

Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville

[rushmc 23]

Therefore, ya better make damn sure you know what you're talking about before starting a war.

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The war was not started by the US! It started during the Clinton Admin. Remember the first Trade Center attack? Remember the Cole? Remember the US Embassy?
The biggest (and best) difference now is we have a president that decided enough is enough!!!

God Bless GWB and the United States of America!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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[mikkey 0]

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Therefore, ya better make damn sure you know what you're talking about before starting a war.

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The war was not started by the US! It started during the Clinton Admin. Remember the first Trade Center attack? Remember the Cole? Remember the US Embassy?
The biggest (and best) difference now is we have a president that decided enough is enough!!!

God Bless GWB and the United States of America!

Wow, I did not know that Iraq was behind all those attacks........ Where do you get your information from? Fox News? (or maybe the CIA )

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[rushmc 23]

Back in the 90's even Clinton recognized that the link existed. More information is coming forth all the time that there is a link.

By the I trust fox more than CNN, NPR, ABC, CBS ......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,998]

>By the I trust fox more than CNN, NPR, ABC, CBS ......

Not suprising, based on what you've posted concerning your views on the war. From PIPA:

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People who watch Fox News as their primary news source were much more likely to be incorrect on the questions of links to al Qaeda, WMD and world opinion than those who watched any other source. People who got their primary news from television were more likely to have misperceptions than people who got their news from print media, and NPR/PBS viewers were the best informed on these subjects.

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http://docbug.com/blog/archives/000047.html

[tunaplanet 0]

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People who watch Fox News as their primary news source were much more likely to be incorrect on the questions of links to al Qaeda, WMD and world opinion than those who watched any other source.

Basically what he's saying is any media source that disagrees with his political views is biased.

Forty-two

[billvon 2,998]

>Basically what he's saying is any media source that disagrees with his
>political views is biased.

Actually, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland said that people who watch FOX News have more misunderstandings than people who don't. Nothing about which political views they had.

[rushmc 23]

These answers are wrong in my opinion. There have been evidence of WMDs, there is a clear link, and I don't care what other countries think. (but I will not go into the UN and the world community topic here)

The evedence of a link has existed since Clinton, but that was never the reason given by Bush to go to war. And now the serin filled shells but lets just ignore them.

Your great sources choose not to discuss this information because it does not support their AGENDA.

Open your eyes. (but that does not help support your agenda now does it?)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,998]

>These answers are wrong in my opinion. There have been evidence
> of WMDs, there is a clear link, and I don't care what other countries
> think.

Hence you reinforce the validity of the report.

>The evedence of a link has existed since Clinton, but that was never
> the reason given by Bush to go to war.

Here is a link to Bush's letter to congress announcing his intention to go to war:

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Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

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(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
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So Bush himself proposed war against Iraq as part of the war against Al Qaeda. That was the official reason he gave to congress.

>And now the serin filled shells but lets just ignore them.

We've found far more biological and chemical weapons in garbage pits here in the US. The world is waiting for the WMD arsenals we told the world he had, that could be launched inside of 45 minutes. We told the world we knew exactly where they were, that we knew where the labs were. At one point Bush said we had found them. Turned out to be all wrong.

>Your great sources choose not to discuss this information because it
> does not support their AGENDA.

It's one source, actually.

[tunaplanet 0]

I'm sure for every one study stating one thing you can find one that shows the opposite. None of these studies are the final say so.

Bottom line, it's all a matter of opinion. People believe what they want to believe.

Forty-two