Gun question for the Brits

[Skyrad 0]

Well, I'm not 'anti guns' but yes if I lived in the US then I would own a gun. And if the law allowed maybe carry it. Why? Because if you live in a country where everyone else is carrying then it seems a little short sighted not to be on at least equal terms. As for here in the UK, I'm quite happy with the current firearms legislation but would like to see our border controls tightened and more work done on stopping the illegal firearms trade.
Now excuse me while I put on my fire retardant overalls and wait for Kennedy to read this

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[storm1977 0]

Well sky I live in the US, own a gun and can't carry it. In most populated areas in the US it is EXTREMELY difficult to get a permit to carry your weapon.

It is funny what you said though.

The truth is "Most" people do not carry weapons. In fact I would guess that the number of people walking around with a gun other than police or security officers in this country at any one time would not be more than 1% of the population of the country. I would think it is even lower than that, but it is just a guess.

Come to New York City and try to get a pistol permit to carry. You will be more likely to get one in London than in NYC!!!!!

Chris

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[Skyrad 0]

Point taken, ok I would own a firearm and like I said carry if it was legal to do so. Never been to NYC but in Florida its unbelivably easy to get a concealed weapons permit.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[markd_nscr986 0]

great......another wack job making threats against the President.....greenie,forum rules prohibit this do they not?

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[PhillyKev 0]

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great......another wack job making threats against the President.....greenie,forum rules prohibit this do they not?

I don't know about any forum rules that prohibit it considering he's not a dz.com member. However, there are a few laws and I wouldn't be travelling to the US anytime soon. I'm sure the CIA has already identified him and are awaiting his arrival.

[Skyrad 0]

It was definatly a real no brainer thing to write on the internet but if there was a warm reception awaiting every halfwit that made such stupid comments on web US law enforcment would fill the US jails in a week!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[PhillyKev 0]

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US law enforcment would fill the US jails in a week

Ummmm.....they're already over-full

[Ron 10]

How about a NSFW????

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

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How about a NSFW????

I never understood the whole NSFW thing. Do some of you really have jobs where it's ok to incessantly post whore and constantly be on dz.com but they'd freak if they saw a titty on your screen?

[crozby 0]

i do. our firewall scans for dirty words and abundance of human flesh colours in images. everything else slips through.

[Ron 10]

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I never understood the whole NSFW thing. Do some of you really have jobs where it's ok to incessantly post whore and constantly be on dz.com but they'd freak if they saw a titty on your screen?

Yes.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

Do they really know that you're post whoring all day though?

[Ron 10]

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Do they really know that you're post whoring all day though?

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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

I take the 5th.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Fast 0]

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How about a NSFW????

Yes please could you edit the first post with this.

I share an office with some females who really would of been pissed if i was opening this kinda stuff. I started looking before reading the rest of the thread.

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[miked10270 0]

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How about a NSFW????

Yes please could you edit the first post with this.

I share an office with some females who really would of been pissed if i was opening this kinda stuff. I started looking before reading the rest of the thread.

HELP!!! (and apologies)... It won't let me edit my initial post

Grenies - help please?

Mike.

PS. Seriously, I'm sorry about missing out on the NWS post. I did this from home at 2330hrs and it slipped my mind.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[miked10270 0]

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Where are weapon 3, 5, 8 and 12 then?

Err... OK... Here's "Weapon 3". You may want to confirm that you want to see the nekkid pics in this series... But don't be shy on my account.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[RoadRash 0]

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Where are weapon 3, 5, 8 and 12 then?

Err... OK... Here's "Weapon 3". You may want to confirm that you want to see the nekkid pics in this series... But don't be shy on my account.

Mike.

Ummmmmm...ew...



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[Kennedy 0]

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[skydiverkaz 0]

I love shooting, but would only ever go to a gun club, I would never have a gun at home, regardless of the laws of the country. And i would never want any man of mine to have one at home either. As a nanny, I know how devastated I would be if the children ever got their hands on it, so God only knows how I would feel if a child of my own did. I know weapons are meant to be locked up etc etc but accidents happen, and i wouldn't want it to happen to me. xxxxxxxxx

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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They'd be owned for recreation, historical and aesthetic reasons though, not for home defence; the same reasons I keep them in this country. They would be kept in a locked gun cabinet when not in use, just as they are kept in this country.

If one day they happened to be of use to me to defend my life or the life of another... well, so be it.

Why make that difficult, unlikely, or impossible, then, by keeping them at all times locked up and useless for that purpose? If everyone everywhere did that, you could add thousands more to the annual murder toll...victims who failed to be able to adequately defend themselves from violent intruders.

A shame and a waste, when there's a perfectly good gun in the house that could be used for defense.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Well, I'm not 'anti guns' but yes if I lived in the US then I would own a gun. And if the law allowed maybe carry it. Why? Because if you live in a country where everyone else is carrying then it seems a little short sighted not to be on at least equal terms. As for here in the UK, I'm quite happy with the current firearms legislation but would like to see our border controls tightened and more work done on stopping the illegal firearms trade.

You live in a country where all the legally owned firearms were confiscated from the people; the criminals who want guns get them on the black market; there are an estimated 4-5 million illegal guns in your country currently; your gun crime rate has gone up by double digits -- over 50% per year since your gun BAN was enacted; gang-related crime has skyrocketed; people are mugged and killed for their cellular phones... and yet you say that you are content with the current firearms legislation -- even though all it's done is get the guns that GOOD people might have used to defend themselves.

One moment you're talking sensibly about having a gun since "everyone else does" and you want an equal shot; then you got and ignore the fact that in your country, a large and growing number of criminals do have guns, and that your current legislation -- with which you say you're satisfied -- prevents you from doing exactly that. I'm afraid I don't think that makes much sense.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[mr2mk1g 10]

I don't want guns kicking round. A kid might blow his own head off. I will lock them up. If that costs me my own life, I am happy with that fact.

Please take this trite elsewhere; we just don't care. As a nation we are happy with our gun legislation. You point to problems with the enforcement of that legislation, not with the legislation itself.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I don't want guns kicking round. A kid might blow his own head off. I will lock them up. If that costs me my own life, I am happy with that fact.

Please take this trite elsewhere; we just don't care. As a nation we are happy with our gun legislation. You point to problems with the enforcement of that legislation, not with the legislation itself.

You carry on as though there is some sensibility to differentiating between "the legislation itself" and its utter unenforcability.

Would you mind explaining what the benefit is of having good legislation that cannot be enforced, or is not enforced?

While you're at it, I'd love to read more about how "happy" you'd be if your concern for children resulted in your own death because you refused to acquire the means that would likely have aided you in preventing it. Is it supposed to be noble to die needlessly, as long as it's "for the children"?

But really, my main fascination is with how you don't seem to care that the effectiveness of your gun legislation is a bad joke, but in spite of this you say you are "happy" with your gun legislation. That is such a novel paradox. I wonder what other expensive failed policies that rob you of what should be your rights but give you no benefits you enjoy having on the books...

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[mr2mk1g 10]

Go enjoy yourself with the pictures posted earlier. You were specifically asked at the start of this thread not to try and begin one of your little crusades.

Listen to me very carefully when I say this. WE DO NOT CARE. You have your views on gun legislation, and we have ours. We are happy that our views are in place in our country and don't give a damn about your concerns.

What happens in your country and does not affect us. We are happy that it is illegal to carry concealed firearms here. We don't want it to be legal. We don't care that you do. Please take your whining elsewhere. Start yet another thread if you really feel you have to but quit prattling on here; you were given your photo’s by the first poster.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

There are huge cultural differences (regarding the issues of gun ownership amongst others) between the colonial cousins and ourselves. These differences can't really be measured and applied in a discussion like this.

All we have to go on are facts.
This site is quite good for distilling out numbers for this sort of thing, and other interesting global comparitive statistics.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir

There are other charts and stats that support the assumption that in the US there is quite a high mortality rate associated with gun ownership.
eg mortality with a rifle shotgun etc (USA 10th in the world), assault by handgun discharge (USA is 8th highest).

One might expect fewer murders, firearm ownership being a deterrent, but no, the USA has a higher murder rate than the UK per capita.
Lets look at assaults per capita and things are closer with the USA at #5 the UK in hot pursuit at #7.

Whichever way one examines these stats, I can't see how, on a per capita basis, gun ownership can be said to be making life safer for US citizens, whilst lack of gun ownership is making life more hazardous for UK residents.

I believe the differences in our county's approaches to the use of firearms in crime etc are cultural.
Our crooks are just nicer guys?

So, Peaceful Dude and other supporters of personal gun ownership, we will stick with the status quo on gun control in our country, because it works for our particular set of circumstances, thank you very much.
You may as well try and persude us to drive on the other side of the road, it just ain't gonna happen.

"As a nation we are happy with our gun legislation."
Sums it up.

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