Ronstadt kicked out of hotel

[kallend 2,106]

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Hollywood Liberals are amongst the worst, much of my movie going is influenced by who's in the film... Clooney? Forget about it! Get my drift?

Rosemary Clooney?

I'll bet they're quaking in their boots to think that you might boycott their films.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Chiles word for Ronstadt- Has-been, thats why, its just as sad a sight as David Lee Roth or the Rolling Stones(now their scary looking) trying to drag his/their has-been butt/s across a stage.
Pathetic... I grew up with these folks and enjoyed their music but sooner or later you have to throw in the towel... Sooner would have been preferable in these cases.

You didn't grow up with the Rolling Stones - I did. I went to high school with Bill Wyman and my cousin went to HS with Mick Jagger.

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No paying audience should ever be "held hostage" for some performers' political rant......talking about disrespect for the fans........

She dedicated a song to someone. How is that holding the audience hostage?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[billvon 3,065]

>That would depend on how many people LIKE her for liking Moore, or
>DISLIKE her for liking Moore. It's not as simple as, "My story got out so
>that's good for me."

I didn't say that. I just said that all this attention got her views sent out to a much wider audience than the people at that performance. A great many performers do this, whether through direct statements (Rondstat, Springsteen, Dixie Chicks) or through their music (Steve Winwood, Pink Floyd, Rush) or even where they play (Lou Reed, Talking Heads.) Much music is ABOUT politics; to claim politics has no place on stage is akin to claiming that sex has no place in romance novels.

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LOL ... I come to DZ.COM to talk about skydiving

Great. Lots of forums for that. This forum happens to not be one of those places. If you need a further description of the purpose of each forum (in addition to the description already listed in black and white) PM and I'll help you out.

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not to listen to people blabber

If you don't want to hear people blabber then I would suggest you go elsewhere...maybe to a forum that doesn't promote people voicing their opinions.

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misguided and skewed politcal ideas.

Unfortunatley there are a vast majority of people in this world who are misguided and warped when it comes to many topics...mostly politics. Can't do anything about it but laugh at them and hope they one day come around. Other than that what someone thinks doesn't bother me in the least. I don't lose a nanosecond of sleep over it.

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Unfortunatley there are a vast majority of people in this world who are misguided and warped when it comes to many topics...mostly politics. Can't do anything about it but laugh at them and hope they one day come around.

Come around to what? Your view of the world? So if someone disagrees with you, then they are automatically misguided and warped? LOL ... you're killing me over here. Who made you the expert?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Other than that what someone thinks doesn't bother me in the least.

I enjoy your posts on your views, TP, but I GOTTA call bullshit on that.....

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

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I'll bet they're quaking in their boots to think that you might boycott their films.

If I do, and doubtless there are many others, as one I may not influence but as many we can and do.

ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414
Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868

[billvon 3,065]

> No paying audience should ever be "held hostage" for some
>performers' political rant......talking about disrespect for the fans.......

Anyone who listens to the radio is often "held hostage" by musicians singing a "political rant":

"Oh beautiful for spacious skies
But now those skies are threatening
We're beating plowshares into swords
for this tired old man we elected king
Armchair warriors often fail and we've been poisoned by these fairy tales . . ."

"There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the President
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie that we don't believe anymore
Mr. Reagan says we will protect you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too"

"I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man . . .
I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms"

"Tell us commander, what do you think?
'Cos we know that you love all that power
Is it on then, are we on the brink?
We wish you'd all throw in the towel
We'll not fade out too soon, not in this finest hour
Whistle your favourite tune, w'll send a card and flower
Saying It's a mistake, it's a mistake
It's a mistake, it's a mistake"

"Hey bartender, over here
Two more shots and two more beers
Sir, turn up the TV sound
The war has started on the ground
Just love those laser guided bombs
They're really great for righting wrongs
You hit the target and win the game from bars
3,000 miles away
3,000 miles away

We play the game with the bravery of being out of range"

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Hollywood Liberals are amongst the worst, much of my movie going is influenced by who's in the film... Clooney? Forget about it! Get my drift?

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Rosemary Clooney?

Kallend,

I have to admit, that was funny as hell.

As for Linda Ronstadt, she is an incredibly talented performer and I would enjoy seeing her in concert. As for her political views, I could give a rats ass.

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Chris

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"Hey bartender, over here
Two more shots and two more beers
Sir, turn up the TV sound
The war has started on the ground
Just love those laser guided bombs
They're really great for righting wrongs
You hit the target and win the game from bars
3,000 miles away
3,000 miles away

We play the game with the bravery of being out of range"

Bill, you make it so hard to hate you when you go quoting Roger Waters! When I saw this, I said, "OMFG, I'm not the only person on earth who has 'Amused To Death' -- and can quote it!"

Hey, you forgot this gem:

"You and I in a little toy shop
buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got
Set them free at the break of dawn
til one by one, they were gone

Back at base, bugs in the software
flash the message, "Something's out there!"
Floating in the summer sky
99 red balloons go by

99 red balloons
floating in the summer sky
Panic, birds, it's red alert
There's something here from somewhere else

The War Machine springs alive
Opens up one eager eye
Focusing it on the sky
99 red balloons go by

99 Decision Street
99 ministers meet
to worry worry, super-scurry
Call the troops out in a hurry!

This is what we've waited for
this is it, boys, this is War!
The president is on the line
as 99 red balloons go by

99 knights of the air
ride super-high-tech jet fighters
Every one's a super-hero
Every one's a Captain Kirk

with orders to identify
to clarify and classify
scramble in the summer sky
99 red balloons go by
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99 dreams I have had
and every one a red balloon
It's all over and I'm standing pretty
in this dust that was a city

If I could find a souvenir
just to prove the world was here
and here is a red balloon
I think of you, and let it go..."

And even Bob Marley got into it, with the holier-than-thou shit:

"Have pity on those
whose chances grows thinner
There ain't no hidin' place
from the Father of Creation!"
("One Love")

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Hollywood Liberals are amongst the worst, much of my movie going is influenced by who's in the film... Clooney? Forget about it! Get my drift?

Rosemary Clooney?

I'll bet they're quaking in their boots to think that you might boycott their films.

That's funny!

On the other hand, now she's been exposed as a liberal. This means that her shows have generated interest, and many will go to her shows simply because she's a liberal.

Like Chile said - much of his movie going is influenced by who's in the film. Same with the other side, who will attend movies simply because of who it is.

Honestly - Streisand isn't THAT good. But, she's liberal elite, and people will pay just to see that. Heck, I'm not the biggest fan of Ted Nugent, but I went to his show just because he was Nugent.

Now people will go to Rodstadt's show just because of this.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Muenkel 0]

From what I have heard from people who know Bill, he's actually cooler than you may think.

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From what I have heard from people who know Bill, he's actually cooler than you may think.

Hey hey hey, HUSH now -- that's for him to prove to me.


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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[sundevil777 102]

People do care what they think, and like it when celebrities agree with them.

Libs will try to look the other way, but the public is becoming more aware that Farenheit 911 is full of lies.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Muenkel 0]

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Rosemary Clooney?

I'll bet they're quaking in their boots to think that you might boycott their films.

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That's funny!

On the other hand, now she's been exposed as a liberal.

Who, Linda Ronstadt or Rosemary Clooney?

Rosemary Clooney is dead, so I don't think she would sell many tickets.

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but the public is becoming more aware that Farenheit 911 is full of lies.

Is this a blanket statement because you don't like Michael Moore (it's understandable why people don't like the guy) or would you care to point out these allegations one by one.

Please enlighten us ...

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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but the public is becoming more aware that Farenheit 911 is full of lies.

Is this a blanket statement because you don't like Michael Moore (it's understandable why people don't like the guy) or would you care to point out these allegations one by one.

Please enlighten us ...

Here's 56 allegations...

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Here's an even more timely one, from Led Zeppelin ("Celebration Day")

She hears them talk of new ways to protect the home she lives in
then she wonders what it's all about
when they break down the door
Her name is Brown or White or Black, you know her very well
You hear her cries of "mercy" as the winners toll the bell

My, my, my, I'm so happy, I'm gonna join the band, yeah
We're gonna sing and dance in celebration
A-we're in the promised land

Oh, there is a train that leaves the station
headed for your destination
but the price you pay to nowhere has increased a dollar more
Yes, it has
And if you walk you're gonna get there
although it takes just a little longer
and when you see 'em in the distance
you will wring your hands and moan


How's that for spookily prescient? Plant foresaw (or maybe saw happening at the time) government promising safety even as it took away rights...

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Ronstadt was kicked out of a hotel in Vegas for doing what no celebrity should do...use their status to push their political views on us.

so then what do you think about how Charlie Daniels was not allowed to sing "This ain't no rag its a flag" at a certain concert?

was it OK with you that the concert organizers wouldn't let him spew his political views?

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[tunaplanet 0]

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Anyone who listens to the radio is often "held hostage" by musicians singing a "political rant":

I usually do not respond to your comments because most of them are way off base and not remotely related to the topics. Like this one.

Apples and oranges. Apples and oranges my friend. See, the major difference in the radio and concerts is you pay to go into a concert. Radio is free. You can turn the nob anytime you wish effortlessly and not be inconvenienced any further.

Concerts are different. You aren't so quick to walk out after you've shelled out 50+ bucks.

So no one is being held hostage by the radio. Not unless all 34 stations have an artist begin their song praising Michael Moron and spewing their bullshit politics onto me. And last I checked that wasn't happening.

Forty-two

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so then what do you think about how Charlie Daniels was not allowed to sing "This ain't no rag its a flag" at a certain concert?

Would have to read about the incident before I make any conclusions or opinions on the matter. No idea of the incident you're referring to.

Forty-two

[SpeedRacer 1]

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"This Ain't No Rag, It's a Flag" has been giving the pot of controversy a good stir. The facts as reported in Daniels' essay are accurate — he was scheduled to appear as one of the entertainers at an October 20 Nashville benefit, the Country Freedom Concert, and he did cancel out because the event's organizers asked him to refrain from performing this song. "If the song is offensive, I figured my presence there also would be offensive," he told The Hollywood Reporter.

Charlie Daniel's song starts out: This ain't no rag it's a flag,
And we don't wear it on our heads which some see as a thinly-veiled racist statement against arabs.

Here's the song:
This ain't no rag it's a flag
and we don't wear it on our heads
It's a symbol of the land
where the good guys live
are you listening to what I said
You're a coward and a fool
and you broke all the rules
and you wounded our American pride
Now we're coming with a gun
and we know you're gonna run
but you can't find no place to hide

We're gonna hunt you down
like a mad dog hound
and make you pay for the lives you stole
We're all through talking and messing around
and now it's time to rock and roll

These colors don't run
and we're speaking as one
when we say united we stand
If you mess with one you mess with us all
every boy, girl, woman and man

You've been acting mighty rash
and talking that trash
but let me give you some advice
You can crawl back in your hole
like a dirty little mole
but now it's time to pay the price

You might have shot us in the back
but now you have to face the fact
that the big boy's in the game
The lightning's been flashing
and the thunder's been crashing
and now it's gettin ready to rain

Chorus:
This is the United States of America
the land of the brave and free
We believe in God, we believe in justice,
we believe in liberty

You've been pulling our chain,
we shoulda done something about you
a long time ago
But now the flag's flying high
and the fur's gonna fly
and now the whole world's gonna know

This ain't no rag it's a flag
old glory red white and blue
The stars and stripes
and when it comes to a fight
we can do what we have to do

Our people stand proud
the American crowd
is faithful and loyal and tough
We're as good as the best
and better than the rest
you're gonna find out soon enough

When you look up in the sky
and you see the eagle fly
you'd better know he's headed your way
This ain't no rag it's a flag
and it stands for the USA


so anyway, if the rule is that celebrities shouldn't express political views on stage, was it OK with you for the organizers to bar him from performing this song?

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[billvon 3,065]

>Concerts are different. You aren't so quick to walk out after you've
> shelled out 50+ bucks.

So is it your opinion that, if you pay $50+ to attend a concert, a performer should refrain from playing songs that have a political overtone? Charlie Daniels should not play "this ain't no rag?" Rush should not play "Manhattan Project?" Pink Floyd should not play "The Dogs of War?" Who should approve their song list so as not to offend anyone?

Come to think of it, I was recently at a Rush concert, and no one kept me there. I could have left at any time. And if I suddenly discovered I was offended by Neal Peart's distinctly anti-christian, anti-war and pro-environmental stances? It would be my own damn fault for buying a ticket.

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So is it your opinion that, if you pay $50+ to attend a concert, a performer should refrain from playing songs that have a political overtone?

You're reaching, bro.

When it comes to music you know ahead of time what songs the artist sings. If you go to a Charlie Daniels concert you know that there's a chance he may play that song. If you're offended by it then don't attend. Period. Simple.

But don't pull that crap where you sing your normal songs and now that you have an audience you want to try and spew your shit politics on me. That's horseshit.

You know ahead of time if the artist has political overtones in their music. You do not, however, know if the artist is going to start acting like a jackass and beging to praise a man who should have the shit beat out of him repetedly and perhaps worse.

Ever watch the SNL skit where John McCain is singing Barbara Streisand songs really bad and off key? Then at the end he says, "Now doesn't it seem pretty stupid that I'm up here pretending to be a singer?"

Forty-two