skydyvr 0 #51 July 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteCanada is a GREAT country No it isn't -- Canada doesn't even have a culture of it's own. POT! I absolutely would not dipute that point. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danger 0 #52 July 27, 2004 I am just surprised Al Jazeera isn't already on the airwaves in the US. After all isn't the right to free speech in the Constitution. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it. What are you scared of? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #53 July 27, 2004 QuoteI am just surprised Al Jazeera isn't already on the airwaves in the US. After all isn't the right to free speech in the Constitution. And people have the right to boycott everything having to do with a broadcaster that aired them including all of their advertisers. It would NEVER fly here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #54 July 27, 2004 QuoteI am just surprised Al Jazeera isn't already on the airwaves in the US. After all isn't the right to free speech in the Constitution. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it. What are you scared of? al jazeera's not broadcast in the US because they're being censored and denied free speech?? where's your source for that? and how did you conclude that americans are afraid of it? it's probably just low demand. if there was a demand for it, i'm sure there's someone willing to make a profit on it. broadcast, cable, subscription satellite, etc. the US is very market-driven that way... besides al jazeera broadcasts in arabic, not english. how would most americans even understand it? but then, we do get the CBC News on DirectTV. i can't see where the demand is for that in the US either, so go figure... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #55 July 27, 2004 QuoteOther than maybe Britney Spears I have no clue what would constitute American Culture. Unless it is a culture of violence, guns and censorship. I would agree that the US is busy developing a lot of bad cultural traits, and yes I find it very discouraging. However, there is also a very long list of original positive culture here as well. In fact, much of our original culture is known and even emulated around the world, so unless you live under a rock you would be familiar with some of it. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #56 July 27, 2004 I think his issue is more of lack of proper eyewear."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #57 July 27, 2004 Quotea culture of violence, guns and censorship. Well, violence and guns, sure, those are part of american culture. Nothing new there... But what's this about censorship? (be careful not to confuse censorship with freedom of choice.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breezejunky 0 #58 July 27, 2004 I had a great boss from England, and like somebody else posted about Europeans, he too thinks North Americans have very little culture. We often "discussed" it over too many drinks. So I'm curious as to what you consider American culture. You say there is a "very long list of original positive culture". Perhaps you could name 5 or 10 of the ones you are most proud of. Please include a few that are "emulated around the world" Also, and I hope I don't sound too ignorant here, is there, or perhaps I should ask, what is the difference between culture and national identity? I feel there is a difference, but I can't really define it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #59 July 27, 2004 QuoteSo I'm curious as to what you consider American culture. You say there is a "very long list of original positive culture". Perhaps you could name 5 or 10 of the ones you are most proud of. Please include a few that are "emulated around the world" Jazz Blues Rock Television Digital Age Hollywood movies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #60 July 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteDo you even have the faintest idea of the cultural differences between the people of the maritimes, Quebec, southern Ontario, the rest of Ontario, the prairie provinces, Alberta, BC and the northern territories Obviously not. If he's not already familiar with it, it doesn't matter. Yea, and be sure to express equal consternation with the posters in this thread who have nothing nice to say about America. Oh wait -- you're a liberal. What was I thinking? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #61 July 27, 2004 I don't equate saying some negative things with having nothing good to say. I say negative things and positive about America. I know very few Americans who are different. I do know some people from other countries with little good to say, but that's their right, and I try to counter them, too. It's unrealistic and untrue to say it's perfect in all ways. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #62 July 27, 2004 So I'm curious as to what you consider American culture. You say there is a "very long list of original positive culture". Perhaps you could name 5 or 10 of the ones you are most proud of. Please include a few that are "emulated around the world" Jazz Blues Rock Television Digital Age Hollywood movies America's contribution to popular music culture should not be understated. One might also add technical culture to that list as witnessed in the space programmes, both private and national. The industrial culture helped along the way by the likes of Carnegie, Ford, and organisations such as ASTM, API, NFPA, etc. Architectural culture in the form of skyscrapers, an America invention that is shaping cities across the globe. Native American culture. Its not all bad folks.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #63 July 27, 2004 QuoteYea, and be sure to express equal consternation with the posters in this thread who have nothing nice to say about America. Oh wait -- you're a liberal. What was I thinking? I think you are way off the mark here. I am one of those that you consider that have nothing good to say about america. Just for the record, i am anti war, against Bush, against guns, pro choice, half capitalist half socialist, so my values are well defined. Too bad this is speakers corner and most if not all the threads are about this subjects and my opinion differ with the policies US is holding at the moment. It doesn´t mean i have nothing good to say about the US, I have, it is just that due to the nature of this forum i didn´t have the chance to say them. NacMcfeegle list is quite accurate yet, of course, incomplete. There is many things you guys do good. But don´t expect me to brown nose you with the things IMO you absolutely fuck up. Also, if i don´t blindly follow my government in what they say (lie) what makes you believe that i am going to follow yours? Just so you know saying how wonderful the US is or putting down other countries WITHOUT backing your opinions with factual data is a sure way to get non US posters rightfully defensive and star a hate posts war. (AKA TROLLING) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #64 July 27, 2004 QuoteI think his issue is more of lack of proper eyewear. I am still waiting for the money you promised me. But it would seem that you make statements, but then don't deliver on those statements. No wonder you are such a big fan of Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #65 July 27, 2004 QuoteI'm curious as to what you consider American culture. You say there is a "very long list of original positive culture". Perhaps you could name 5 or 10 of the ones you are most proud of. Please include a few that are "emulated around the world" Jazz Blues Rock Television Digital Age Hollywood movies America's contribution to popular music culture should not be understated. One might also add technical culture to that list as witnessed in the space programmes, both private and national. The industrial culture helped along the way by the likes of Carnegie, Ford, and organisations such as ASTM, API, NFPA, etc. Architectural culture in the form of skyscrapers, an America invention that is shaping cities across the globe. Native American culture. To me culture is roote a little deeper than the last 100 years. For the person who asked about the culture of censorship, just take a look at the restrictions placed on what can and cannot be said and shown on tv. Half a million dollars for a nipple is censorship as far as I am concerned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 221 #66 July 27, 2004 QuoteI am just surprised Al Jazeera isn't already on the airwaves in the US. After all isn't the right to free speech in the Constitution. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it. What are you scared of? It will be covering the DNC - Big surprise there huh?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #67 July 27, 2004 QuoteI say negative things and positive about America. Of course you do Wendy. My posts yesterday were less brilliant than even my normal less-than-brilliant writings, for which I offer my apologies to all. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #68 July 27, 2004 "To me culture is roote a little deeper than the last 100 years." Why? Culture doesn't have to have a history, all it needs is popular support. I can find no reference to timeframe in any of the definitions of 'culture' on-line. In my opinion associating culture with a timeframe could be construed as cultural snobbery, Brahms is better than Black Sabbath because its been around longer kind of thing.. Is an appreciation of Picasso's work any more or less 'cultural' than an appreciation of Warhol, or Monet, or Van Gogh? How does JM Barrie (Peter Pan) compare with JK Rowling (Harry Potter) culturally? No, there's room for all, and a whole lot more we don't even know about yet, in my definition of 'culture'.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbarry 0 #69 July 27, 2004 QuoteFor the person who asked about the culture of censorship Drifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #70 July 27, 2004 QuoteDrifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. How's this for getting back on track. Since when do Americans care about what other people in other countries think? Many Americans are clueless as to what's going in other parts of the world (not always their fault but yes the fault of the American media), many Americans are clueless when it comes to geography. So why would many Americans care if Canadians decide to allow one form of media while omitting another? How do you like them apples ... eh? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbarry 0 #71 July 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteDrifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. How's this for getting back on track. Since when do Americans care about what other people in other countries think? How do you like them apples ... eh? If you're going to reply to me, it would be cool if you read my posts in this thread. We're on the same side, dude... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 221 #72 July 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteDrifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. How's this for getting back on track. Since when do Americans care about what other people in other countries think? How do you like them apples ... eh? If you're going to reply to me, it would be cool if you read my posts in this thread. We're on the same side, dude... Wow, Feeling a little - Frustrated?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #73 July 27, 2004 QuoteIf you're going to reply to me, it would be cool if you read my posts in this thread. We're on the same side, dude... No my comments weren't targeted towards you. I was just trying to stur the pot a little. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larskjargaard 0 #74 July 27, 2004 All this fussing about a network that few poeple are going to watch anyway. Think of all the nasty threads that will come up if Canada chooses not to support the U.S. missle defence program. Probably a good idea to start another thread on that one ehy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #75 July 27, 2004 QuoteWTF? Al Jazeera is now slated for Canadian Viewing. They won't approve Fox News - But Al Jazeera is ok. I look but I didn't see this posted anywhere. WTF are they thinking? Perhaps they only have room for one "fair & balanced" news station. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" 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SkyDekker 1,465 #65 July 27, 2004 QuoteI'm curious as to what you consider American culture. You say there is a "very long list of original positive culture". Perhaps you could name 5 or 10 of the ones you are most proud of. Please include a few that are "emulated around the world" Jazz Blues Rock Television Digital Age Hollywood movies America's contribution to popular music culture should not be understated. One might also add technical culture to that list as witnessed in the space programmes, both private and national. The industrial culture helped along the way by the likes of Carnegie, Ford, and organisations such as ASTM, API, NFPA, etc. Architectural culture in the form of skyscrapers, an America invention that is shaping cities across the globe. Native American culture. To me culture is roote a little deeper than the last 100 years. For the person who asked about the culture of censorship, just take a look at the restrictions placed on what can and cannot be said and shown on tv. Half a million dollars for a nipple is censorship as far as I am concerned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #66 July 27, 2004 QuoteI am just surprised Al Jazeera isn't already on the airwaves in the US. After all isn't the right to free speech in the Constitution. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it. What are you scared of? It will be covering the DNC - Big surprise there huh?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #67 July 27, 2004 QuoteI say negative things and positive about America. Of course you do Wendy. My posts yesterday were less brilliant than even my normal less-than-brilliant writings, for which I offer my apologies to all. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #68 July 27, 2004 "To me culture is roote a little deeper than the last 100 years." Why? Culture doesn't have to have a history, all it needs is popular support. I can find no reference to timeframe in any of the definitions of 'culture' on-line. In my opinion associating culture with a timeframe could be construed as cultural snobbery, Brahms is better than Black Sabbath because its been around longer kind of thing.. Is an appreciation of Picasso's work any more or less 'cultural' than an appreciation of Warhol, or Monet, or Van Gogh? How does JM Barrie (Peter Pan) compare with JK Rowling (Harry Potter) culturally? No, there's room for all, and a whole lot more we don't even know about yet, in my definition of 'culture'.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #69 July 27, 2004 QuoteFor the person who asked about the culture of censorship Drifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #70 July 27, 2004 QuoteDrifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. How's this for getting back on track. Since when do Americans care about what other people in other countries think? Many Americans are clueless as to what's going in other parts of the world (not always their fault but yes the fault of the American media), many Americans are clueless when it comes to geography. So why would many Americans care if Canadians decide to allow one form of media while omitting another? How do you like them apples ... eh? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #71 July 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteDrifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. How's this for getting back on track. Since when do Americans care about what other people in other countries think? How do you like them apples ... eh? If you're going to reply to me, it would be cool if you read my posts in this thread. We're on the same side, dude... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #72 July 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteDrifting away from canada and into censorship. New thread. How's this for getting back on track. Since when do Americans care about what other people in other countries think? How do you like them apples ... eh? If you're going to reply to me, it would be cool if you read my posts in this thread. We're on the same side, dude... Wow, Feeling a little - Frustrated?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #73 July 27, 2004 QuoteIf you're going to reply to me, it would be cool if you read my posts in this thread. We're on the same side, dude... No my comments weren't targeted towards you. I was just trying to stur the pot a little. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larskjargaard 0 #74 July 27, 2004 All this fussing about a network that few poeple are going to watch anyway. Think of all the nasty threads that will come up if Canada chooses not to support the U.S. missle defence program. Probably a good idea to start another thread on that one ehy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #75 July 27, 2004 QuoteWTF? Al Jazeera is now slated for Canadian Viewing. They won't approve Fox News - But Al Jazeera is ok. I look but I didn't see this posted anywhere. WTF are they thinking? Perhaps they only have room for one "fair & balanced" news station. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
