tunaplanet 0 #26 July 23, 2004 Quotei STILL don't understand why people detest Michael Moore Then you never will get it. People hate and dispise him because he lies and twists things for the purpose of hatred...mainly against mine and your leader. That's the problem with this country. Too many pansies take stabs at our leaders when they should stand behind them. Perhaps I'm old school from the military but it's how I am. It all goes back to the old saying. If people aren't bitching they aren;t breathing. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #27 July 23, 2004 QuoteI guess you KNOW that the Justices gave Jr. the election just as payback to Daddy Bush like MM claims? I'm really getting sick of being mistaken for a lockstep Democrat merely because I oppose GWB and his policies RE: the war in Iraq and on "terror"(ism). No... I've said it 1000 times and I'll say it again... I am NOT a Democrat. I am NOT a fan of Kerry. I am voting for kerry for one reason and one reason only... because I believe Bush & Co are dangerous, reckless, inept, irresponsible and need to be fired. If this were any other election I'd be voting for the Libertarian candidate. And need I remind the Bushies that I VOTED for Bush in 2000? This will be the first (and hopefully last) time EVER that I will have voted for a Democrat. God forbid I actually think for myself. Whew... now that that rant is over.... QuoteThe standard "Bush stole the election" lies. Yes, I agree that part of the movie was lame. Bush won the election by all reasonable measures. Get over it. There are far more important things to worry about than dwell on the 2000 fiasco. QuoteThe 9/11 attacks didn't show ONE picture of the towers....Selective editing. The event was so important, but it didn't warrent even ONE picture That was for dramatic effect. QuoteWould you have prefered he screamed like a little girl and ran out? If you bother to LOOK at him you can tell he is thinking as harder than most.... No. But I would have preferred that he'd have enough wits about him to calmly say "Excuse me, I'm very sorry, but I have some important business that needs tending to." And then calmly walk out of the room. The reason he looks like he's thinking is not because as Moore implies... that he's thinking about all his Saudi buddies screwing him over... it's because he's trying to figure out WTF to do... and he froze during 7 precious minutes of an attack upon our country. QuoteThe kid flying the kite, and the others all happy prior to the invasion...You find it funny that he didn't show him gassing his own people, or his sons raping and killing people for sport....Or people being fed into meat grinders, thrown off of buildings, ect? Yes, again typical Moore spinning .... I KNOW that... and I saw it for what it was. It doesn't negate that we went to war for fallacious, or at the very best... inept... reasons and cause an incredible amount of suffering in the process. QuoteThen he goes on about how the Military targets poor kids....Duh!!! They have been doing that for 200 years, now its a big issue? No. His point is that the fatcats start wars, leave it to the poor to fight them and then reap the financial benefits of the plunder. QuoteYou have EVIDENCE that we knew he didn't have WMD's? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iraq had a hand in 9/11? Last year did you have PROOF he didn't? ...Iraq harbored Al Qaida operatives & training camps?...Again? Got Proof he didn't? Did you a year ago? Guilty until proven innocent eh? QuoteLarge companies that can actually handle the contracts? you mean those companies? Or would you rather give the contracts to companies that can't handle the scope of the contract and put US men and women in danger or more discomfort? No. I'd just prefer that they be put out for cometetive bidding like most other government contracts rather than just handing them over to the Prez' and Vice Prez's buddies. QuoteWould you support a movie made in the same fashion but with a Republican spin? We don't need one... we're force fed the truth According To Bush every single day on the news. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #28 July 23, 2004 ... try not to detest ANYone..... Like him or not....M. Moore is very very good at piecing together a quick moving, thought provoking, nicely edited, and sometimes funny, "From My point of View "documentary" ".... and since it is HIS movie project,,, he may do as he likes...... Some of his props and film clips and the pace and pattern of the editing is very interesting, and as I found , effective....The film clips of Joe Friday and the dialogue from those clips... were right on... I also liked the clip of Afghanistan(sp) adapted to fit to the start of the old time show Bonanza.... Good movie making.... But It's a movie............ and if we look at it as a popcorn saga,,, and NOT as the ONLY way to interpret the events of 9 - 11 and the almost 3 years which follow then we can assess it in proper context..... Maybe he sees himself as a social conscience who has the know-how and financial backing,, to speak out about that which is of importance to HIM.. He may care little,,, about whether his audience agrees with him or not.... just so long as they get in line to but a ticket... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #29 July 23, 2004 QuoteIt is too diffucult to believe anything he says in his movies. He intentionally uses editing to misdirect people into believing that someone said something or did something the didn't say or do. He takes facts and showcases them in a way that makes them look entirely different. The facts may be true, but the presentation of them makes them look entirely different. All of this is true. Then add to it the fact that Moore is a pompous dickhead, and it's relatively easy to see why people detest the lying sonofabitch. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #30 July 23, 2004 QuotePeople hate and dispise him because he lies and twists things for the purpose of hatred... Are we talking about Michael Moore or George W. Bush? mainly against mine and your leader. A leader is person who actually leads. GWB is our President, but the man is no leader. That's the problem with this country. Too many pansies take stabs at our leaders when they should stand behind them. Taking stabs at our President does not make a person a pansy. Standing (hiding) behind someone who is not leading us would seem to rank higher on the pansy scale. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #31 July 24, 2004 I can tell you have never served in the military by your mindset. And if you by some stroke of miracle did, I would shiver at having to line up next to you and those principles. I would love for you and many other liberals on here to have to serve in a forward unit for a week. Would definitly change your mindset about leadership and patriotism. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #32 July 24, 2004 QuoteTry here: http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=4386 That is only 9 'problems' with the mockumentary. It has been posted before, but I still don't think many realize how completely full of intentional deceit the movie is. Here are 59 good reasons to detest him: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htmPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #33 July 24, 2004 QuoteI think that all right thinking people are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am. Amen, brother, amen. That is one reason why I detest most liberals. They constantly want to bash the US. Liberals are the most unpatriotic people there are. I often look forward to a day when all Americans stand behind their leader and strive for a better America. Even though we disagree at times and battle back and forth with each other, ask Ron what would happen if a tight, forward unit such as the 82nd constantly bicker and bash their CO every chance they got. Ron, like me both know the answer to that. That said unit would be a complete failure and would be completely uneffective and most likely die in combat. Same thing applies to the US. Quit bickering like a bunch of 3rd grade school girls and line up behind your leader and follow him/her to hell and back. That is what a successful unit/country is all about. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zennie 0 #34 July 24, 2004 QuoteQuit bickering like a bunch of 3rd grade school girls and line up behind your leader and follow him/her to hell and back. OK Britney.... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #35 July 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteTry here: http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=4386 That is only 9 'problems' with the mockumentary. It has been posted before, but I still don't think many realize how completely full of intentional deceit the movie is. Here are 59 good reasons to detest him: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm Thanks, that was what I was thinking of but didn't take the time to find -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #36 July 24, 2004 Thanks for quoting my sig line. I did not think it up. Bonus points to anyone that knows the source, except for PeacefulJeffrey, I already know he's got it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #37 July 24, 2004 QuoteThanks for quoting my sig line. I did not think it up. Bonus points to anyone that knows the source, except for PeacefulJeffrey, I already know he's got it. "I'd like to see more fairy stories about the police!" --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #38 July 24, 2004 QuoteI can tell you have never served in the military by your mindset. And if you by some stroke of miracle did, I would shiver at having to line up next to you and those principles. Start shivering. I've done my time in the service. So tell me, did you follow you ensign's & jg's lockstep, whatever they say goes, period? You either didn't, which proves my point, or you had the most amazingly bright junior officers ever commissioned, or you weren't thinking very clearly at the time. Just because someone has a title that puts them in charge doesn't mean they are a leader. Bush is our President, but the man is not leading us down anything that even intersects with an intelligent path. QuoteI would love for you and many other liberals on here to have to serve in a forward unit for a week. Would definitly change your mindset about leadership and patriotism. By supporting Bush, you tag yourself as a liberal. Talk about wanting big government! Rest assured, while I was not shot at in the service, I got into some fairly hairy situations. I nearly ended up at mast one time for threatening a jg who was effectively trying to kill us, but the command master chief and XO listened and understood that I had no other choice but to ignore the man's dangerous orders. My mindset about leadership and patriotism needs no changing. Leadership is just that, a characteristic or action. It doesn't come and go with the changing of a person's title, and I'm not going to redefine the word to suit you. My sense of patriotism is doing quite well thank you. Blindly following our government without questioning them is one of the greatest disservices a person can do to their country. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #39 July 24, 2004 QuoteBlindly following our government without questioning them is one of the greatest disservices a person can do to their country. The worst disservice a man can do for his country is to whine/bitch/moan/cry about his country and his leader. That is a disservice. It's also a sign of a lack of loyalty and patriotism. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #40 July 24, 2004 Quote The worst disservice a man can do for his country is to whine/bitch/moan/cry about his country and his leader. That is a disservice. It's also a sign of a lack of loyalty and patriotism. Perhaps you're not familiar with how this country came to be?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #41 July 24, 2004 QuotePerhaps you're not familiar with how this country came to be? Apples and oranges. A revolutionary war and whining/bitching/crying/moaning about your country and it's leader is not even remotely close to being in the same ballpark. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #42 July 24, 2004 This country was founded on the concept that dissent is a good thing. That's why the First Amendment exists.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwtom 0 #43 July 24, 2004 Quote The worst disservice a man can do for his country is to whine/bitch/moan/cry about his country and his leader. That is a disservice. It's also a sign of a lack of loyalty and patriotism. true ... in a monarchy Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #44 July 24, 2004 Maybe loyalty, patriotism and faith in a country is a gone. Now we have liberal/conservative whining/crying/bitching/moaning. Speaker's Corner is a perfect example of this. Sad. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites burbleflyer 0 #45 July 25, 2004 Uhhh, because he's a communist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #46 July 25, 2004 Don't forget liar, anti-american and a master of distorting the truth. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #47 July 25, 2004 >Uhhh, because he's a communist? That's terrorist nowadays. Communist was a good smear, but started playing second fiddle to terrorist when the USSR collapsed (and especially after 9/11 happened.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #48 July 25, 2004 QuoteDon't forget liar, anti-american and a master of distorting the truth. I dunno... If he was a genuine "master" at it, I think it wouldn't be as transparent that he's lying. He attempts to distort the truth. The only people convinced by it, though, are those who are already prepared to believe anything liberal, leftist, socialist, or anti-Bush in the first place. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #49 July 25, 2004 QuoteThe only people convinced by it, though, are those who are already prepared to believe anything liberal, leftist, socialist, or anti-Bush in the first place. Hit the nail on the head there. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #50 July 25, 2004 If he's such a liar, then why hasn't anyone ever successfully sued him for liable?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
peacefuljeffrey 0 #29 July 23, 2004 QuoteIt is too diffucult to believe anything he says in his movies. He intentionally uses editing to misdirect people into believing that someone said something or did something the didn't say or do. He takes facts and showcases them in a way that makes them look entirely different. The facts may be true, but the presentation of them makes them look entirely different. All of this is true. Then add to it the fact that Moore is a pompous dickhead, and it's relatively easy to see why people detest the lying sonofabitch. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #30 July 23, 2004 QuotePeople hate and dispise him because he lies and twists things for the purpose of hatred... Are we talking about Michael Moore or George W. Bush? mainly against mine and your leader. A leader is person who actually leads. GWB is our President, but the man is no leader. That's the problem with this country. Too many pansies take stabs at our leaders when they should stand behind them. Taking stabs at our President does not make a person a pansy. Standing (hiding) behind someone who is not leading us would seem to rank higher on the pansy scale. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #31 July 24, 2004 I can tell you have never served in the military by your mindset. And if you by some stroke of miracle did, I would shiver at having to line up next to you and those principles. I would love for you and many other liberals on here to have to serve in a forward unit for a week. Would definitly change your mindset about leadership and patriotism. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #32 July 24, 2004 QuoteTry here: http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=4386 That is only 9 'problems' with the mockumentary. It has been posted before, but I still don't think many realize how completely full of intentional deceit the movie is. Here are 59 good reasons to detest him: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htmPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #33 July 24, 2004 QuoteI think that all right thinking people are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am. Amen, brother, amen. That is one reason why I detest most liberals. They constantly want to bash the US. Liberals are the most unpatriotic people there are. I often look forward to a day when all Americans stand behind their leader and strive for a better America. Even though we disagree at times and battle back and forth with each other, ask Ron what would happen if a tight, forward unit such as the 82nd constantly bicker and bash their CO every chance they got. Ron, like me both know the answer to that. That said unit would be a complete failure and would be completely uneffective and most likely die in combat. Same thing applies to the US. Quit bickering like a bunch of 3rd grade school girls and line up behind your leader and follow him/her to hell and back. That is what a successful unit/country is all about. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #34 July 24, 2004 QuoteQuit bickering like a bunch of 3rd grade school girls and line up behind your leader and follow him/her to hell and back. OK Britney.... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #35 July 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteTry here: http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=4386 That is only 9 'problems' with the mockumentary. It has been posted before, but I still don't think many realize how completely full of intentional deceit the movie is. Here are 59 good reasons to detest him: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm Thanks, that was what I was thinking of but didn't take the time to find -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #36 July 24, 2004 Thanks for quoting my sig line. I did not think it up. Bonus points to anyone that knows the source, except for PeacefulJeffrey, I already know he's got it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #37 July 24, 2004 QuoteThanks for quoting my sig line. I did not think it up. Bonus points to anyone that knows the source, except for PeacefulJeffrey, I already know he's got it. "I'd like to see more fairy stories about the police!" --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #38 July 24, 2004 QuoteI can tell you have never served in the military by your mindset. And if you by some stroke of miracle did, I would shiver at having to line up next to you and those principles. Start shivering. I've done my time in the service. So tell me, did you follow you ensign's & jg's lockstep, whatever they say goes, period? You either didn't, which proves my point, or you had the most amazingly bright junior officers ever commissioned, or you weren't thinking very clearly at the time. Just because someone has a title that puts them in charge doesn't mean they are a leader. Bush is our President, but the man is not leading us down anything that even intersects with an intelligent path. QuoteI would love for you and many other liberals on here to have to serve in a forward unit for a week. Would definitly change your mindset about leadership and patriotism. By supporting Bush, you tag yourself as a liberal. Talk about wanting big government! Rest assured, while I was not shot at in the service, I got into some fairly hairy situations. I nearly ended up at mast one time for threatening a jg who was effectively trying to kill us, but the command master chief and XO listened and understood that I had no other choice but to ignore the man's dangerous orders. My mindset about leadership and patriotism needs no changing. Leadership is just that, a characteristic or action. It doesn't come and go with the changing of a person's title, and I'm not going to redefine the word to suit you. My sense of patriotism is doing quite well thank you. Blindly following our government without questioning them is one of the greatest disservices a person can do to their country. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #39 July 24, 2004 QuoteBlindly following our government without questioning them is one of the greatest disservices a person can do to their country. The worst disservice a man can do for his country is to whine/bitch/moan/cry about his country and his leader. That is a disservice. It's also a sign of a lack of loyalty and patriotism. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #40 July 24, 2004 Quote The worst disservice a man can do for his country is to whine/bitch/moan/cry about his country and his leader. That is a disservice. It's also a sign of a lack of loyalty and patriotism. Perhaps you're not familiar with how this country came to be?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #41 July 24, 2004 QuotePerhaps you're not familiar with how this country came to be? Apples and oranges. A revolutionary war and whining/bitching/crying/moaning about your country and it's leader is not even remotely close to being in the same ballpark. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #42 July 24, 2004 This country was founded on the concept that dissent is a good thing. That's why the First Amendment exists.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #43 July 24, 2004 Quote The worst disservice a man can do for his country is to whine/bitch/moan/cry about his country and his leader. That is a disservice. It's also a sign of a lack of loyalty and patriotism. true ... in a monarchy Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #44 July 24, 2004 Maybe loyalty, patriotism and faith in a country is a gone. Now we have liberal/conservative whining/crying/bitching/moaning. Speaker's Corner is a perfect example of this. Sad. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burbleflyer 0 #45 July 25, 2004 Uhhh, because he's a communist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #46 July 25, 2004 Don't forget liar, anti-american and a master of distorting the truth. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #47 July 25, 2004 >Uhhh, because he's a communist? That's terrorist nowadays. Communist was a good smear, but started playing second fiddle to terrorist when the USSR collapsed (and especially after 9/11 happened.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #48 July 25, 2004 QuoteDon't forget liar, anti-american and a master of distorting the truth. I dunno... If he was a genuine "master" at it, I think it wouldn't be as transparent that he's lying. He attempts to distort the truth. The only people convinced by it, though, are those who are already prepared to believe anything liberal, leftist, socialist, or anti-Bush in the first place. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #49 July 25, 2004 QuoteThe only people convinced by it, though, are those who are already prepared to believe anything liberal, leftist, socialist, or anti-Bush in the first place. Hit the nail on the head there. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #50 July 25, 2004 If he's such a liar, then why hasn't anyone ever successfully sued him for liable?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
