Kerry on Iran

[Darius11 12]

Last night I saw a very quick interview of him.

I have to say he had a brilliant idea as how to deal with Iranian government regarding their nuclear power plant. His idea was we the United State should supply them with what they need so we can regulate that they only receive what is needed to make a power plant and not weapons. I think that’s a great Idea. Not only will it start a relationship that will be good for both countries it will make a lot easier to make sure no nuclear weapons are made if the US takes charge of the project.

I just thought that sounded like a great idea. I also like what he said about Israel and Palestine.
I am not a democrat or republican, but so far he sounds like a very intelligent man.


One thing I did not like. When he said. That he is trying to say things to win the American people (sorry don’t remember it word for word) it made me feel like he would say any thing. I rather have someone say what he or she believes.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[TheAnvil 0]

Do some research.

Vinny the Anvil
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[turtlespeed 221]

See - It comes down to this again.

Given: Lawyers must put their best effort forth to argue a case, even when they KNOW that their client is guilty.

Which would you rather have handling your finances?

Two Lawyers or Two Successful Buissnessmen?

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[happythoughts 0]

In the early 80's, Iraq built a nuclear reactor. At a point close to opening, the Israelis sent in jets and bombed it. They promised to do it again if it was rebuilt.

The Israelis asked a good question. "With all the Iraqi oil reserves, what does Iraq need nuclear power for?"

It sounds like Kerrys solution is to let them do what they want.

A more sensible path would be to ask the question, ""With all the Iranian oil reserves, what does Iran need nuclear power for?"

I don't gamble a lot, but I'd bet you that Israel will bomb the crap out of an Iranian nuclear plant. There would soon be a debate between Iran and Israel over their actions. If the US had supplied the expertise and materials, then the US would be on the Iranian side of it. It would create tension between the US and Israel, an arab-world goal.

Kerrys solution shows a lack of knowledge of history and the Middle East, but most importantly no common sense.

[PhillyKev 0]

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Which would you rather have handling your finances?

Two Lawyers or Two Successful Buissnessmen?

Depends on the lawyers or businessmen. I try not to make blanket judgments based on a chosen profession. I've personally lost money thanks to several businessmen in the recent past. Think Enron and MCI. And as for successful businessmen, I hope you're not referring to Bush. What businesses of his have been successful and how many went bankrupt?

Also, look up SEC investigations of insider trading by GWB during gulf war one.

[Darius11 12]

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Do some research.

on The Iran idea or on Kerry?

I have negative and positive points. Wondering witch one you are referring that i should do more research.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[PhillyKev 0]

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A more sensible path would be to ask the question, ""With all the Iranian oil reserves, what does Iran need nuclear power for?"

Good question, but moot. Are we not going to dictate to other countries what energy sources they can use? If not, then there's not much we can do about Iran building a nuke plant. It would be very easy for them to build a plant that aids in the production of weaponable fuel. If, however, we are hands on involved in the construction and maintenance of the plant, we can make sure that doesn't happen.

[Darius11 12]

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Two Lawyers or Two Successful Buissnessmen?

Most successful businessmen have done a lot of shady stuff. I wish there was an honest man as an option sad that there is not

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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A more sensible path would be to ask the question, ""With all the Iranian oil reserves, what does Iran need nuclear power for?"

Good question, but moot. Are we not going to dictate to other countries what energy sources they can use? If not, then there's not much we can do about Iran building a nuke plant. It would be very easy for them to build a plant that aids in the production of weaponable fuel. If, however, we are hands on involved in the construction and maintenance of the plant, we can make sure that doesn't happen.

The world's done a great job on North Korea.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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The world's done a great job on North Korea.

That's the point. We weren't involved in the building of the plant in N. Korea. We gave them some equipment but weren't hands on involved. Meanwhile, Pakistan was teaching them how to enrich uranium.

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If, however, we are hands on involved in the construction and maintenance of the plant, we can make sure that doesn't happen.

I don't know enough about the differences in nuclear plants that I could make that statement. A plant that does not produce weapons-grade plutionium, but produce low-grade material is not an improvement.

I can say with some surety that Israel is going to bomb it and I wouldn't want to be building it when they arrive.

The theory that we would be controlling Irans nuclear program does not seem reasonable to me at all.

Their word that they have peaceful energy uses is highly suspect. Any assurances about not developing weapons are meaningless. The long-term reliability of their word is fairly suspect.

The primary starting point of trust is the inviolate nature of an embassy. They don't seem to respect even the most basic rule.

[Darius11 12]

LOL that’s funny.

Do you have any Idea how much money and Equipment The United State owes Iran and has not paid them back or given them the equipment.

Please when you talk about trust make sure you know all the facts.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

Just another question.

What makes Israel such a trustworthy nation?


They have no respect for any international law.
They have no problem attacking another nation because they feel like it.
They have killed children and their Prime Minister has called the mission a success.

I guess I just don’t get how any one can support Israel and think of them as a Humane and trust worthy nation. Please keep in mind the big reason most Arab countries do not get along with the US is our support for Israel.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[TheAnvil 0]

You should do more research on Kerry's inane idea, as well as the history of the US-Iran relationship ( the Pahlavi era would be a chronologically good point with which to begin ab initio; don't forget 444 days) and come up with well founded anti-Israeli innuendo vice what you've presented.


I was going to leve there but your comments on Israel are so utterly asinine I can't bring myself to do so.

International Law - the ICC? When did Israel agree to place herself under their jurisdiction? What authority does the ICC have?

Attacking other nations 'because they feel like it'. Utterly asinine. Are you referring to the Osirak incident? Complete the sentence: I want Saddam Hussein to have nuclear weapons because...

Killing Palestinian children. That was the focus of the mission? You know that not to be the case. Not sure which mission you mean, but 'tis Palestinian terrorists who revel in the death of Israeli children - not the opposite as you imply.

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[happythoughts 0]

In the early 90's, I worked with a man born in Iran who emigrated here. We had some discussions. He never supported the Shah for reasons other than culture. I still run into him on a monthly basis, but we have other stuff to talk about than politics.

When Iran took over the embassy and held diplomats hostage, they lost all rights to a diplomatic discussion.

As far as return of money/equipment? Any facts would be appreciated. I would guess that no one is interested in discussing it.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Forget the notion of International Law (as we all know that in reality there is no such thing ... nations are free to do what they what to do and when other nations disagree with what a certain nation has done, sanctions and war are the result).

But I would like to know why is okay for one nation (Israel as an example) to have WMD while another nation isn't? Double standard I say.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[TheAnvil 0]

Double standard? No - it's an understanding of foreign policy.

Vinny the Anvil
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[Darius11 12]

Happythoghts was saying how Israel will not allow Iran to have a nuclear power plant just like they did not when it came to Iraq.
Yes you would not want Iraq to have Nuclear power, but this is now. You seem to have forgotten SH was our buddy in the 80s. We just decided to change sides in 91. Don’t forget that incident happened on June 7 1981. It didn’t happen now.

So yes they have attacked Nations because they felt like it. Do I really want a country that will simply do what they want and not Follow international Law to have nuclear power?

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Killing Palestinian children. That was the focus of the mission?

They have done it entirely too many times. I don’t think it was the focus of their mission as a matter of fact I don’t think they cared enough too even consider it.
The mission I am speaking of happened about 6 months ago where 9 children were killed, and at first the Prime minister came out saying the mission was a success regardless of what had happened. Then for fear of international pursuer he said he was sorry that children had been killed.

Do I want someone who can be that cold and cruel . to have more killing power.

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International Law - the ICC? When did Israel agree to place herself under their jurisdiction?

International Law is international Law I didn’t know if you didn’t sign up you could just kill any one and it would be ok. I wonder if the Germans in WWII signed up or not.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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it's an understanding of foreign policy

Yes I understand this is America's current foreign policy (and has been for years).

But the question still remains. Why is it okay for one nation (Israel as an example) to have WMD while it is not okay for other nations? Does one nation (Israel as an example) have more rights towards protecting themselves than another nation?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Jimbo 0]

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But the question still remains. Why is it okay for one nation (Israel as an example) to have WMD while it is not okay for other nations?

Probably because Isreal doesn't have a history of sponsoring terrorism and murdering its own citizens whole towns at a time.

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Does one nation (Israel as an example) have more rights towards protecting themselves than another nation?

I can't recall (and I could very well be wrong) ever taking away a nations ability to defend itself. Stripping a country of weapons of mass destruction and long range missiles doesn't prevent that company from defending itself - it does make it damn difficult for that country to wage war on another though.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Because they felt like it? No. They attacked the Osirak facility because a nation rich in oil has only one logical reason for building such a facility. The nation in question was part of a coalition that tried to eradicate Israel from the planet a decade prior. Your 'just because they felt like it' assertion is completely without merit.

International law - what law? What jurisdiction? - You don't know. Therefore, your assertion is without merit.

Ahhh...so killing Palestinian children wasn't the focuse of the successful mission. Your continued assertion that it was even part of the definition of success is laughable by any standard.

And you don't know what international law is - you simply have your own anti-Israeli prejudice to feed with terms you hear from others.

Vinny the Anvil
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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Stripping a country of weapons of mass destruction and long range missiles doesn't prevent that company from defending itself - it does make it damn difficult for that country to wage war on another though.

I don't disagree with your statements here. And while I know this will never happen, wouldn't it be nice if America (and the civilized world) was to convince Israel to give up their WMD? Israel still has a very powerful military (and they have the backing of the world's only current super power). So why do they need their WMD?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[storm1977 0]

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Happythoghts was saying how Israel will not allow Iran to have a nuclear power plant just like they did not when it came to Iraq.
Yes you would not want Iraq to have Nuclear power, but this is now. You seem to have forgotten SH was our buddy in the 80s. We just decided to change sides in 91. Don’t forget that incident happened on June 7 1981. It didn’t happen now.

So yes they have attacked Nations because they felt like it. Do I really want a country that will simply do what they want and not Follow international Law to have nuclear power?

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Killing Palestinian children. That was the focus of the mission?

They have done it entirely too many times. I don’t think it was the focus of their mission as a matter of fact I don’t think they cared enough too even consider it.
The mission I am speaking of happened about 6 months ago where 9 children were killed, and at first the Prime minister came out saying the mission was a success regardless of what had happened. Then for fear of international pursuer he said he was sorry that children had been killed.

Do I want someone who can be that cold and cruel . to have more killing power.

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International Law - the ICC? When did Israel agree to place herself under their jurisdiction?

International Law is international Law I didn’t know if you didn’t sign up you could just kill any one and it would be ok. I wonder if the Germans in WWII signed up or not.

Darius you seem to be confused.... Yeah we WERE friends with Iraq. But when he decided for no good reason that he wanted to OWN KUAIT we had to step in. It is one thing to be a burden to the middle east, it is another thing to walk into another country RAPE its women, KILL its men, and STEAL a shit load of its wealth, just because you can.

It was at that point where we stopped Iraq and forced them back into their own border!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as Isreal is concerned....... I think you need to look into the mindset of the Palastinians as well. Sending children in with bombs strapped to their chest for the sole purpose of kill innocents is insane. Training children to hate from birth......

I know you are from the area and I know you harbor a lot of strong feelings, but try to look at it objectively.

Chris

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[TheAnvil 0]

Well, for one reason Israel has shown no desire to aid and abet international terror, unlike the nations the US is opposed to having nukes.

Vinny the Anvil
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[storm1977 0]

Why?

Because it scares the enemy.
If they ever used it, you can bet the USA would not be very happy!!!! Isreal is about as likely to use WMD as the USA is. However, putting WMD in the hands of nations willing to use it is a whole different story.

It is very much like the US / USSR standoff. Neither side wanted to USE the weapons, but they were a deterent incase one did. If Iran had Nukes, they may use them for shits and giggles if they think they won't be used back against them.

Isreal won't use WMD unless they are used agains them. The same can't be said of Iraq, Iran, Syria, NK.

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