ChasingBlueSky 0 #1 August 3, 2004 Has anyone had a chance to read this book yet? Has anyone that is pro GW got a spin against it other than the author's last name? www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060746874/qid=1091557143/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9314977-8256034?v=glance&s=books_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #2 August 3, 2004 http://www.nrdc.org/ only started to look into them, seems like they have a lot to say about those very issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #3 August 3, 2004 www.nrdc.org Made clicky for you. Thanks for the link, I will read what they have to say._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 August 3, 2004 I'm not pro GWB, but I'll take a stab at it... QuoteKennedy: It's to help the voting public recognize the truth. We win this battle when the American public knows what's going on. You can't talk about the environment today honestly in any context without being critical of this president. A few years ago, if you asked the principal environmental leaders in our country, "What's the greatest threat to our global environment?," you would have gotten a range of answers from global warming to acid rain, overpopulation, etc. But today, they will all tell you the same thing: It's George W. Bush. There is no other issue today. He is the only issue. This is a quote from the RFK, Jr. So, overpopulation is not an issue in the globe. Desertification is not an issue. Clearing the Amazon is not an issue. Pestilence is not an issue. CFC's spread through developing nations is not an issue. Global warming, ozone, you name it - not an issue. GWB is the only issue. Hmmm. Sound odd to you? None of that other stuff matters one bit??? QuoteKennedy: There's a link between Christian fundamentalist evangelist leaders like Pat Robertson and Sun Myung Moon, who owns the Washington Times and funded the "wise-use" movement -- originally called the Sagebrush Rebellion -- which ultimately propelled both Reagan and Newt Gingrich. There was an unholy marriage during the '80s between the paranoid right, including the fundamentalist Christians, and industrial polluters, who basically began funding the fundamentalist right because it was in their interest to use that movement as foot soldiers in the battle to retain their giant subsidies. So he's saying bible thumpers like James Watt are heretics using the "Man's dominion over nature" and linking it with Southerners practicing slavery. All you religious folks voting Republican are bigots. QuoteKennedy: Yeah, Gale Norton came right out of the rape-and-plunder crowd. She worked for James Watt. He was her mentor. Dick Cheney is one of the icons of the wise-use movement. It's clear from all the insider reports -- Paul O'Neill and the info we've gleaned from the energy task force, from the departments of interior, agriculture, and energy -- that Dick Cheney is dictating the national environmental policy and they're doing the same thing that Bush did in Texas: inviting the industrialists in to run the government. Need I say more? QuoteIndustry wants us reading those books that say "50 things you can do to help the environment" because it distracts you from what you ought to be doing, which is joining an environmental group and voting for politicians who support the environment and fighting against the lobbyists on Capitol Hill. I mean, you can go out and buy a car that gets 40 miles per gallon, but it's not going to change the planet. What's going to change the planet is if we have somebody standing up to the auto-industry lobbyists on Capitol Hill to pass standards that require that every car in this country gets 40 mpg. I try to focus on that part, not on how individuals are incorporating environmental ethics into their lives. I think it's important for people to do, but to the extent that it's distracting you from participating in the political process, it's not a good thing. So he's got two points - hey, people, don't waste your time doign something for the environment. The government should. Also, it's not right that industry lobbies the government. So, anti-industry should lobby to teach them a lesson. QuoteI really try to do is to buy meat from organic producers and humane producers like Neiman Ranch, which you can get on the Internet. It's the best-tasting meat and it's raised humanely by family farmers. And we buy most of our other produce from Fresh Fields, from Whole Foods and Organic Valley. It's good for you and it's good for America. But wait, didn't he just say it's a waste of time, and that industry wants to deflect your attention by going to places like that? Quotethe thing that corporate America wants to convince Americans of more than anything is that environmental injury is the fault of the consumer: The reason that we have environmental problems is that Americans want big cars, not because industry makes them. Or fisheries saying the reason we have to catch every fish in the ocean is because Americans want to eat the fish. In other words, if corporations wouldn't put things out that Americans want, we wouldn't have this problem. If Ralph Nader hadn't been successful with his campaign to have cars built to tanklike specifications, like my utlrasafe Volvo XC-90, we could have better mileage cars. QuoteBut government has to say to the automobile industry: Of course they want it, but you've got to make 40 mpg. And if we had that law, within a year, Detroit would be producing SUVs that have the same performance and the same comfort and safety as the ones they're making today. Hmm. I figured the already would have. But my car is a Volvo. I guess my safe polluter isn't an issue. GWB is the issue. Volvo can produce all the gas guzzlers it wants. Actually, upon researching this more, I find that he's been helping to fill to coffers of John Kerry. I wonder if he flies on Kerry's private jet... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
