Democrat supporters sinking to lowest of lows

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

What is WRONG with these people? Are we truly entering an uncharted era of deplorable personal conduct just because people don't like a given political candidate or party?

A story in Thursday's Palm Beach Post (reprinted from NY Times) says: GOP Foes Plan New York Convention Chaos To Irk Delegates

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Hoping to turn the Big Apple rotten for Republicans, protesters are plotting mischief to try to ensure that delegates won't be wearing "I Love NY" t-shirts home from their party's convention next week.

Groups such as RNC Not Welcome, Counter Convention, Shut It Down NYC and NO RNC Clearinghouse are using the Internet to orchestrate a living hell for the estimated 5,000 delegates and alternates at the Republican National Convention, which begins Monday.

Broadway casts are being urged to call in sick on the night delegates are scheduled to go to the theater. Armed with the times and locations of scores of GOP events, street theater groups plan to disrupt convention-connected affairs all over Manhattan.

"Shadow protesters" are being recruited to disguise themselves as clean-cut volunteers and infiltrate convention hotels and events. penetrating the convention "bubble," these "phantom volunteers" will provide wrong directions to delegates or create havoc by not showing up for their duties at key times.

One protest Web site even provided instructions (and a recipe for chocolate tofu meringue pie) for getting into an event and "pieing" delegates: "Choose a worthy target. Any pompous evil-doer will do for a glouping. Shave, put on a suit (without necktie), wear an American flag pin and keep your hair short. You'll be able to go anywhere!"

"We want to make their stay here as miserable as possible," Jamie Moran, the son of a retired Queens officer, told Rolling Stone.

GOP planners had hoped that gathering in New York shortly before the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks would highlight what supporters view as one of President bush's finest hours. But anti-Bush animosity runs high in a city where Democrats outnumber Republicans by a 5-1 margin.

Frustrated dissidents are turning to mischief and "direct actions" after traditional protests were kept away from recent events such as the G-8 Summit in Sea Island, GA, and the Democratic National Convention in Boston.

"This is a president who admits to not reading newspapers," said Angela Coppola of No RNC Clearinghouse. "He is allowed to live in an artificial America where everyone agrees with him. This is the reason we are targeting delegates. The Bush administration feels it should not have to see dissent. All of America is a free speech zone."

So organizers, if there are such beings among anarchists, are preparing to spread mayhem wherever delegates venture, especially away from the convention site.

"If we are diffused throughout the city, we will have a much better advantage. After all, the real target is not Madison Square garden, the stage of the spectacle, but the various events where deals are made -- where the lobbyists wine, dine, and bribe Bush & Co." RNC Not Welcome told potential protesters.

Internet sites provide the names and addresses of hotels where state delegations will be staying, plus the times and addresses of convention-related events.

The leftist Indy Media has even posted an Internet list of names, street addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses of Republican delegates, in addition to the hotels where they will be staying "during their invasion of New York City."

Of course, the protesters' plans have not been welcomed by delegates and others.

"I am a delegate," one e-mailer responded. "The first one of you slimebags that tries anything on me will meet the business end of my Glock."

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I HEREBY CALL ON SENATOR KERRY TO DENOUNCE AND REPUDIATE THESE SICK, DEMENTED, IMMATURE INTENTIONS.

Surely he's heard of plans that HIS supporters are organizing to thwart, in a very MEAN-SPIRITED, SPITEFUL AND MALICIOUS way, the Republican National Convention.

You know, it's funny, before I read to the end of the article and caught the part where a delegate made the "Glock" claim, I was already thinking to myself, "Gee, it'll be poetic justice if some dickhead protester meets his end because fucks with someone, tries to sabotage him in some way, and gets his head beat in or shot or something." And to my surprise, there was that passage at the end of the article.

I am just flabbergasted that political activity has degenerated to this point! Is this really the way "business as usual" is going to be conducted in the political arena from here on out?

Are the Democrats really so eager to cede their claim to the moral high ground and become "mean-spirited" like they've always claimed Republicans are?

This really really has the earmarks of the last gasp of a DYING party, folks. If all they can do to "empower" themselves is hope to inconvenience people, or throw "chocolate tofu meringue pies" at them... then they are truly some sorry sons of bitches.

Blue skies,
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Guest]

Wonder if some of these are the same shitbags who spat on GIs returning from Vietnam?

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Zenister 0]

LOL.. "anything to win" has been the cry of zealots from both political parties for the last 50 years...posturing as "shocked and offended" by it is growing tired as well...

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[kelpdiver 2]

I think this sort of passive resistance is an hilarious response to the GOP's attempt to use the bombings as a backdrop to their convention. NYC makes as much sense as SF for the RNC.

Will it actually happen, or is this threat of shock and awe just hot air?

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Zenister,
Has there ever really been anything of this type or magnitude planned, attempted or executed in the political history of the U.S.? I'm not old enough to remember what happened in the '60s and '70s, but I think I know enough of those times to believe that people just weren't that damned immature and desperate.

Sure, there's always been political sniping -- but activists planning on sabotaging an event like this through juvenile pranks and spiteful manipulation? I honestly think this is a new low. And I don't care if you think it's genuine or not, I am indeed shocked and offended by it.

Kelpdiver,
I don't think it's funny at all. I think it's a new high-water mark for how blatantly offensive a campaign can get. Maybe Bush's people should accuse Kerry of being "behind it" like Max Cleland accuses Bush of being "behind" the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Kerry likes to keep mum about stuff, doesn't he? His service record, his senate voting record, his Senate Intelligence Committee attendance record, and now this, the mobilization of his hate-mongering supporters. When is that piece of shit coward fence-walker going to show up and address this pathetic display?

And kelp, you're misusing the term "passive resistance." This is an active effort they're planning. They're talking about "joining up" under false pretenses to screw with the Republicans. That's hardly "passive" by even the most liberal definition.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[PhillyKev 0]

The same types of tactics were used by people in Philly during the Democratic Convention in 2000. Three points.

1 - These things ALWAYS happen, and ALWAYS have
2 - It's a VERY tiny portion of people and the reason you think it's new is because it never amounts to much
3 - The people that do this do not represent one side or the other in any way, they are their own subsect of society

[Ron 10]

Im surprized you think they would NOT do this kind of stuff.

I mean the spit on Veterans till its no longer cool to do that.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I mean the spit on Veterans till its no longer cool to do that.

That's funny, it would seem that all the spitting on veterans is done by followers of a leader that never even went.

[Ron 10]

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That's funny, it would seem that all the spitting on veterans is done by followers of a leader that never even went.

Man you don't even have a clue.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Man you don't even have a clue.

Why is that Ron, is that because I don't see things your way? Enlighten me Ron, show me the truth.

[PhreeZone 20]

Here is a site that did the same thing at the DNC in Boston last month:

http://blackteasociety.org/index.php

Hotel assignments:
http://www.blackteasociety.org/bostonguide/dnc/hotelassignments.php

Party locations (including what bus the delegates would be taking):
http://www.blackteasociety.org/bostonguide/dnc/partylocations.php

Both sides have fringe elements.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

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[Kennedy 0]

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Man you don't even have a clue.

Why is that Ron, is that because I don't see things your way? Enlighten me Ron, show me the truth.

It could be that fact that conservatives didn't spit on returning vets and call them horrible names. Or are you proposing that radical liberals are now following Bush? Or do you think Kerry never went to Vietnam?

Make some sense, man.

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[Ron 10]

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Why is that Ron, is that because I don't see things your way? Enlighten me Ron, show me the truth.

Kerry spit on ALL veterans.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[pajarito 0]

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Kerry spit on ALL veterans.

I wouldn't even waste my spit on him...

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It could be that fact that conservatives didn't spit on returning vets and call them horrible names. Or are you proposing that radical liberals are now following Bush? Or do you think Kerry never went to Vietnam?

And it isn't ironic in the slightest that a fair number of posters on this forum who in the past have stated more than once that we should all support our soldiers no matter what, are actively going after Kerry?

He went, fought, got wounded did things he shouldn't have done, not unlike many others in Vietnam, admitted it and tried to right a wrong. I know Vietnam continues ot be a really toucht subject for the US, but I didn't realize it was such a big secret that many an attrocity took place in that jungle.

That to me is more honourable than being AWOL from the Air NG.

[Ron 10]

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And it isn't ironic in the slightest that a fair number of posters on this forum who in the past have stated more than once that we should all support our soldiers no matter what, are actively going after Kerry?

Im going after Kerry not for his record...I have said he served and that should not be an issue...But he makes it an issue and then used a double standard.

Moveon.org is OK, but SBVFT is wrong?

I have issue with Kerry since he both talked bad about the armed services, but wraps himself in a flag.

He threw his medals, but has them in his office.

He voted for things, then voted against them, or criticized Bush for the very things Kerry voted or helped WRITE.

You may not like what Bush has done, but at least you know what he is going to do, and he is doing what he thinks is correct. Kerry has shown time after time that he will only do what he needs to do to get more power.

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That to me is more honourable than being AWOL from the Air NG

Again PROVE he was AWOL? You can't.

And its "honorable" here in the states.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

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You may not like what Bush has done, but at least you know what he is going to do,

I get so tired of this argument. How exactly do you know what Bush is going to do? Because he tells you?

"We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus."

Nope.

We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas."

Nope.

"We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach."

Nope.

"What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."

Nope.

"We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04 [for Iraq]"

Nope.

..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post [director of homeland security] doesn't solve anything."

Nope.

"[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide."

Nope.

"The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into."

Nope.

"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road."

Nope.

"George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression."

Nope.


So how exactly do you know what he is going to do, when he frequently says one thing and does the opposite? Or is it just that you automatically expect him to do the opposite of what he says?

[Ron 10]

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I get so tired of this argument. How exactly do you know what Bush is going to do? Because he tells you?

I thought we covered this?

All politicans lie...Just that Kerry swings total 180's as soon as he thinks the other side is more popular.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

And how do you explain the statements above and the opposite action being taken?

[markd_nscr986 0]

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And it isn't ironic in the slightest that a fair number of posters on this forum who in the past have stated more than once that we should all support our soldiers no matter what, are actively going after Kerry?



Well,the troops we support aren't accusing their fellow soldiers of war crimes, going to photo ops with Jane Fondabeing traitorous to their country,so no real irony there.

A very small example of troops deserving of our support........

Pajarito and "Doc" Dickson

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[TomAiello 26]

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And how do you explain the statements above and the opposite action being taken?

You still have to generally evaluate the whole picture of various people (be they candidates for office or not). Virtually everyone is going to have done things, or have characteristics you don't like. The trick is sorting through and figuring out who, on balance, you like more, and who, on balance, you like less.

I don't think Ron is blindly worshipping George W. Bush any more than I think you are blindly worshipping John Kerry. You've just each chosen to support the candidate you think is most compatible with your personal beliefs.

You don't have to defend every single thing someone has ever done to vote for them. Nor do you have to deplore every single thing someone has ever done to vote for their opponent.

-- Tom Aiello

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[rehmwa 2]

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You don't have to defend every single thing someone has ever done to vote for them. Nor do you have to deplore every single thing someone has ever done to vote for their opponent.

Nicely put.

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Nor do you have to deplore every single thing someone has ever done to vote for their opponent.

You'd think so, but that's what people are becoming. I was in a country a couple years ago at election time - the physical riots and killings were nuts. People were completely polarized by shallow rhetoric and bland generalities and they were absolutely violent about it.

I get worried that we are devolving to that also (a large chunk of the dems and the extremists of the repubs - and both groups seem to be getting worse to where I can't tell the difference most days.)

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[wmw999 2,532]

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a large chunk of the dems and the extremists of the repubs

From where I sit, it looks like a large chunk of the repubs, and the extremists among the dems. That's just as real to me, as your perception is to you.

Some of it's perception, and we all need to remember that when we talk to people.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[turtlespeed 226]

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And it isn't ironic in the slightest that a fair number of posters on this forum who in the past have stated more than once that we should all support our soldiers no matter what, are actively going after Kerry?

Are you pining for the most ascenine statement award?

Should we be trying to elect every enlisted man or commisioned officer?

I don't know your background - but here is my attemp at a universally non-insulting scenario -

You are a member of a team playing a dangerous sport -
That team plays it's game in an international arena.

One of your Co-Captains of the team goes home -

When he gets home - he tells the world in several venues that what he did was dispicable, and, everyone over there is cheating and lying. Insulting you and the sport you are in.

When you come home - you are met with - Not national pride - but your co-captain- your former team mate - encouraging the defacation of your memory. It doesn't stop there, it continues, he sides with a woman that rigs the game in a way that ends up killing some of our team members.

Years pass.

Present day - this same person that defecated on the efforts of the team - now wants to be the Coach -

Why is it that you could justify that action?

Ask yourself this - if this were a skydiving team - would you want Kerry as your coach

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

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And how do you explain the statements above and the opposite action being taken?

Could it be the publicity there is behind it?

i would have been against it, but I never heard a word about it - funny how - NOW it is brought up in the media - AGAIN and AGAIN - and AGAIN - until everyone knows it is an option -

I too call for Kerry to speak out against it. Think that will happen?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun