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Democrat supporters sinking to lowest of lows

By peacefuljeffrey, in Speakers Corner

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rehmwa    2

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a large chunk of the dems and the extremists of the repubs



From where I sit, it looks like a large chunk of the repubs, and the extremists among the dems. That's just as real to me, as your perception is to you.

Some of it's perception, and we all need to remember that when we talk to people.

Wendy W.



I got no issues with that, but it's not the point, it's about the nutjobs on both ends getting violent someday - than which party is perceived as the party of more fragmented extreme positions (That's a different and much more fun conversation but beat to death already in these forums).

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billvon    3,070

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>Has there ever really been anything of this type or magnitude
> planned, attempted or executed in the political history of the U.S.?
> I'm not old enough to remember what happened in the '60s
> and '70s, but I think I know enough of those times to believe that
> people just weren't that damned immature and desperate.

I think you might be too young to have heard about some of the protests back then. Tear gas was used regularly. Protesters threw rocks at cops, and there were a lot of injuries and arrests. US troops shot protesters; they killed 4 at Kent State during one protest. And you're going to compare pieing people to that? Wow.

>THESE SICK, DEMENTED, IMMATURE . . . .

How do you generate so much righteous rage at such nonsense? Pieing people makes you screaming mad, but torturing and killing our prisoners is just a remote political issue?

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Ron    10

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>It could be that fact that conservatives didn't spit on returning vets . . .

Yeah, it took them 40 years to get around to that.



Well I guess this is one area where Kerry was a leader. He has been spitting on them as soon as it came into fashion.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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SkyDekker    1,465

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Actually, my early exposure to CS Lewis has me spelling most of those "or" words in the "our" way. I still remember arguing with my 2nd grade teacher about the correct spelling of harbour.



Hence you weren't the one trying to correct me, just because that isn't how it is done the in the good ole US of A.

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TomAiello    26

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Just trying to let you know that there are some Americans who've had influences from outside the US. ;)

I expect that JK Rowling will have the next generation of American kids spelling things in the queen's english, as well.
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billvon    3,070

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>The poor Dems will have to quiet down for a few years, then Clinton
>vs. Powell!

With the polls going they way they are, you are probably right. But look at it this way - the GOP will be able to exercise their righteous indignation at Kerry, just as the Democrats have been attacking just about everything that Bush did.

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peacefuljeffrey    0

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>THESE SICK, DEMENTED, IMMATURE . . . .

How do you generate so much righteous rage at such nonsense? Pieing people makes you screaming mad, but torturing and killing our prisoners is just a remote political issue?



Dude, please don't put words in my mouth. Where did I say that I don't care about torture and treat it as a "remote political issue"?

Isolating the different issues about which I care for a moment is not unreasonable. In this thread, in this instance, I was not remiss to speak only of this specific subject, leaving out what I think about torture, abortion, gun control, tariffs, immigration... ad nauseum. Or do you think that every post by every person ought to contain an encyclopedic listing of all the issues and that person's ideological statement on each?

AS FAR AS DOMESTIC POLITICAL DISCOURSE is concerned, I find this ADVOCACY of belligerent, disruptive behavior is deplorable. It's my personal perception that this is relatively new. I am not convinced that major national parties used to be backed by people who attempted to organize such ignorant behavior. I think that we are entering a brand new era of "anything-to-win politics" and even though we've seen "anything-to-win politics" before, I think we're seeing a new breed emerging. And I don't like it. I deplore it.

edit: And since this story is widespread at this point, Kerry surely knows about these groups and these plans. For him to not come out and specifically ask people NOT do to this on his behalf against his opposition is to tacitly APPROVE it. It seems, from his silence, that he is all too happy to have these juvenile idiots pulling for him. I think that speaks volumes about him and how fair he wants to run this campaign.

To be sure, I have NOT heard anything remotely similar planned or engaged by supporters of the Republican candidate(s) in this year's election.

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peacefuljeffrey    0

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And its "honorable" here in the states.



Since I live in Canada it is "honourable" for me. I know, it is hard to fathom there is actually something outside of the US.



Yes, there are places that produce oil, there are places where they hand-make rugs, there are places where we can hunt big game, there are places where lumber comes from -- you live in the big place that makes ice, for instance, that is sold in the Kwik-E-Mart... :P

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peacefuljeffrey    0

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That is a good match -
I truely hope it works out that way.



Are you looking forward to the blacks who used to be duped into voting for Democrats being led by Jesse Jack$on and Al $harpton to call Colin Powell an Uncle Tom or a House Nigger? 'Cause that's what's gonna happen.

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-Jeffrey
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sundevil777    102

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Are you looking forward to the blacks who used to be duped into voting for Democrats being led by Jesse Jack$on and Al $harpton to call Colin Powell an Uncle Tom or a House Nigger? 'Cause that's what's gonna happen.



If they did it, again, in the spotlight against a pres candidate, I would be glad to that they were willing to show their true thinking for all to see and judge.

It is far more dangerous when dems/libs hide their prejudice.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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>I find this ADVOCACY of belligerent, disruptive behavior is
>deplorable. It's my personal perception that this is relatively new. I
> am not convinced that major national parties used to be backed by
> people who attempted to organize such ignorant behavior.

Hey, I organize such ignorant behavior! Heck, we tossed a particularly belligerent jumper in an inflatable pool of pie makings once. It took some effort - he _really_ didn't want to go.

>I think that we are entering a brand new era of "anything-to-win
> politics" and even though we've seen "anything-to-win politics"
> before, I think we're seeing a new breed emerging. And I don't like
> it. I deplore it.

No worse than gerrymandering. Worse than denying women and blacks the vote. MUCH worse than shooting protesters, and much worse than using the power of the presidency to bug the opposition's headquarters in an attempt to win the election.

Pieing people? Children's pranks. They are better dealt with by a bouncer than by honoring them by taking them seriously (and thus getting them lots of press, which is exactly why they are doing it.)

>And since this story is widespread at this point, Kerry surely knows
> about these groups and these plans. For him to not come out
>and specifically ask people NOT do to this on his behalf against his
> opposition is to tacitly APPROVE it.

Do you claim that Bush approves the SBVFT? Or since he refuses to denounce Limbaugh's "torture is just fraternity pranks" statement does that mean that Bush approves of the torture of US prisoners? Silence does note denote approval.

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billvon    3,070

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>Sorry for the repost but it fits

Sorry, not going to buy into the "torture and rape of children is OK by me!" crowd. There are some things that are simply wrong. Saying that other things are wrong too does not make it OK to torture a child.

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mardigrasbob    0

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>Sorry for the repost but it fits

Sorry, not going to buy into the "torture and rape of children is OK by me!" crowd. There are some things that are simply wrong. Saying that other things are wrong too does not make it OK to torture a child.



Hang on one damn minute, I never said squat about children. On the other hand; putting a high voltage anode on a terrorist's testicles in order to prevent another attack is a perfectly acceptable tactic. I have no doubt that many vile things were done by the US military and CIA. I personally have no problem with that. Those bastards have not mounted a successful attack on American soil since that terrible morning almost three years ago. Something is being done right!
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Official count of victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks
Associated Press
April 1, 2002

NEW YORK : 2,830

World Trade Center : City officials say 150 are missing. The medical examiner's office has issued 883 death certificates. An additional 1,797 death certificates have been issued without a body, at the request of victims' families.

Includes all passengers and crew on hijacked planes :

American Airlines Flight 11 : 92

United Airlines Flight 175 : 65

WASHINGTON : 189

Pentagon : 125

American Flight 77 : 64 passengers and crew

PENNSYLVANIA : 44

United Flight 93 : 44 passengers and crew

TOTAL : 3,063

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Ron    10

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Since I live in Canada it is "honourable" for me. I know, it is hard to fathom there is actually something outside of the US.



Oh I know all about outside of the USA...To bad you know nothing about inside of it.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Since I live in Canada it is "honourable" for me. I know, it is hard to fathom there is actually something outside of the US.



I know all about outside the USA...To bad you know nothing about inside of it.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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