Forced abortion so to execute female inmate!

[AggieDave 6]

Holy shit, I couldn't make this up if I tried!

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=12573&nfid=rssfeeds

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Pregnant Inmate Forced To Undergo Abortion To Be Eligible for Death Penalty in China
27 Aug 2004

Chinese prison officials have forced a pregnant inmate found guilty of transporting heroin to undergo an abortion so that she could be eligible for the death penalty, according to a report published on Wednesday, AFP/Yahoo! News reports.

Ma Weihua in January was arrested in Gansu province for transporting 56 ounces of heroin from Xinjiang province. Under China's criminal code, individuals convicted of trafficking that amount of heroin can be executed.

However, following Ma's arrest, prison doctors discovered during a routine physical exam that she was approximately seven weeks pregnant. Under Chinese law, pregnant women and people younger than age 18 cannot be executed.

Although Ma said she wanted to carry the pregnancy to term, officers from the anti-drug task force at the Chengguan police substation in February signed a consent form ordering an abortion "on her behalf," according to AFP/Yahoo! News.

The consent form stated that the substation director requested that Ma be forced to undergo the procedure because she was "uncooperative." The form also noted that Ma was given general anesthesia -- which put her to sleep -- instead of the local anesthetic usually used for early-term abortions, according to Ma's attorney Weng Weihua.

Weng last month in the Lanzhou Intermediate People's Court argued in favor of reducing Ma's sentence because of her pregnancy and because she has exhibited remorse, it was her first offense and her actions "did not constitute serious harm to society," AFP/Yahoo! News reports.

A verdict is expected in the next few days, according to AFP/Yahoo! News.

China also has announced that beginning Oct.1 the country will enforce new interrogation rules in order to "curb abuses by police," including the regulation that pregnant women cannot be interrogated for more than four hours and cannot be shut in detention rooms, according to AFP/Yahoo! News (AFP/Yahoo! News, 8/25).

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_repro.cfm#25450

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[soilman 0]

I keep on reading things that lead me to believe that the general ethics of the Chinese government, and the medical ethics of today's China, are frightening, and while there is a good deal of criticism in the western general press, there seems to be only a smattering of criticism in western medical journals.

Below I've pasted some web pages from the web site of a kidney and liver transplant center in China The web site solicits foreign patients.

If there was a hyperlink from this dropzone.com page to the transplant center page, they could trace visits to their transplant center pages back to this dropzone.com page and could then read the text surrounding the hyperlink. I don't want them to be able to find this page too easily. I don't want criticism of their policies to be easily tracable back to dropzone.com or me. I don't want to be on these people's dissident list as I sense they might possibly be the kind of people who might use violence to stifle differences of opinion. Please cut and paste the following into your browser. Their web master will be able to see that your ip (your internet service provider and possibly your specific computer) visited their page, but they will not be able to trace the visit back to dropzone.com. They might then be able to trace who visited their web page, back to you, but they should have no reason to believe you aren't simply a prospective patient.

main page (english version) www.bek-transplant.com/en/index.htm

FAQ page: www.bek-transplant.com/en/faq.htm

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Q. Do the organs come from a alive or dead donors?

A. The donor organs come from people that are executed in China.

Amnesty International has criticised China for executing lots of people per capita, and for executing people for relatively minor crimes. I would not be surprised if kidneys and livers were obtained from prisoners before they were shot.

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[Ron 10]

China has a totally different view on abortion.

A Male child is a much more wanted birth. So after China came out with a policy that each family was only allowed ONE child...Many females were aborted...This has and will continue to cause many problems in the country....There quite simply are not enough women in the rural communities to contine the farming.

However the fact that they were willing to kill a baby since it was female...I don't find this shocking at all.

And what is it the left loves to say? "It's their country, leave them alone".

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

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And what is it the left loves to say? "It's their country, leave them alone".

Actually the left loves to say....what the fuck do we have normalized relations with China for? Why did we grant the favored nation trading status. Oh yeah, we can exploit their population for monetary gain, that's why. One of the very right wing things that Clinton did was his dealings with China.

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And what is it the left loves to say? "It's their country, leave them alone".

How did you feel about Bosnia, Ron?

[Ron 10]

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Actually the left loves to say....what the fuck do we have normalized relations with China for? Why did we grant the favored nation trading status. Oh yeah, we can exploit their population for monetary gain, that's why. One of the very right wing things that Clinton did was his dealings with China.

As the left loves to say "It's their country. Don't force your will on them".

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

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As the left loves to say "It's their country. Don't force your will on them".

And I agree with that. Doesn't mean we have to try and be their best friends and bend over backwards to please them.

As the right loves to say, "It's ok to ignore human rights issues if we can get cheap labor."

[Ron 10]

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And I agree with that. Doesn't mean we have to try and be their best friends and bend over backwards to please them.

As the right loves to say, "It's ok to ignore human rights issues if we can get cheap labor."

But if it's their country they should be allowed to run it like they please.

Trust me, I think China is one fucked up country...But as long as they don't hurt the US...I don't care.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[CrazyIvan 0]

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"It's ok to ignore human rights issues if we can get cheap labor."

Corporate Motto.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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But if it's their country they should be allowed to run it like they please.

And I haven't disagreed with you. But we don't have to do business with them. Why are you not understanding that.

We don't do business with Cuba. We don't do business with lots of countries because of their politics and human rights abuses. Why the exception for China? Oh yeah, money.

[Ron 10]

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And I haven't disagreed with you. But we don't have to do business with them. Why are you not understanding that.

I understand that, but why should it mater who we do business with? I mean they are there own country. If you don't want to do business with them, don't...But why should you tell me who I can work with?

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We don't do business with Cuba

There a plenty of people who want to change that...Hell I like the cigars.

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We don't do business with lots of countries because of their politics and human rights abuses. Why the exception for China? Oh yeah, money.

You either have to :
A. Be the police of the world.
B. Not get involved.

But you choose to get involved in one, but not another...Pick a side.

I don't care what other countries do until they threaten us.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[markd_nscr986 0]

Absolutely barbaric......but not too surprising.....the same government that executes thousands every year and has organ harvest teams standing by to carve up the freshly executed!The same government that sanctions slave labor camps to produce consumer goods for export.So next time you see "made in china" on something think about the "workers" shackled to a work bench on a near starvation diet getting beat up if they dont make their quota

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[PhillyKev 0]

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But you choose to get involved in one, but not another...Pick a side.

How is NOT giving them most favored nation status getting involved? You're not making much sense here, Ron. I'm not advocating interdiction, I'm saying don't get involved with them, period.

[mcrocker 0]

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And I haven't disagreed with you. But we don't have to do business with them. Why are you not understanding that.

We don't do business with Cuba. We don't do business with lots of countries because of their politics and human rights abuses. Why the exception for China? Oh yeah, money.

In a true capatlistic society the goverment should not dictate who we can do business with. The market should decide. Personally, I try to avoid buying items from China. It is extremely hard to do so. I am willing to pay more to buy it locally if I can. The Goverment should inform their citizens on the good, the bad and the ugly and let the citizens decide.

I know that is a utopian outlook on things and will never work, it is nice to dream sometimes.

China makes a large chunk of its GNP from the US. If we ban trade with China it may just break their economy and quite possibly their goverment. The cold war broke the USSR economy & government, maybe a Trade war with China will do the same. It might take 10-20 years and the human conditions in China will suffer during that time but in the long run it might bring reform and a better life for the next generation.

If you read Tom Clancy you'll know that a trade war with China will incite WW III. The US will win in dramtic fashion of course....

[Ron 10]

mcrocker said it best.

I don't think it is the government business who I buy or sell to.

I think the sanctions against Cuba are stupid.

I think "Most favored Nation" is stupid also.

I don't think the government should either ban or encourage trade with any particular country.

You want to boycot "Made in Cuba" go ahead its your right.

But don't tell me I have to.

All Im saying is the government should not have "Favorites". But the governemt should also not ban trade either.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

I can go along with that.

[Ron 10]

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I can go along with that.

Are you feeling OK today?

Thats 3 times we have agreed.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

You must have taken your reasonable pill today

[Ron 10]

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You must have taken your reasonable pill today

Last I checked you agreed with ME...Did you take the little blue pill?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Douva 0]

Questionable human rights practices in China? I'm shocked!

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[OnYourBack 0]

Does anyone happen to know or know where to find out what the crime rate is in China?

[EricTheRed 0]

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Does anyone happen to know or know where to find out what the crime rate is in China?

That, like most statistical informatin re. China is pretty tough to get reliable info on.

Good luck trying...

illegible usually

[kallend 2,026]

Did you look at the CIA factbook?

www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

(No guarantee that it contains the stuff you want).

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Zenister 0]

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You either have to :
A. Be the police of the world.
B. Not get involved.

Our administration (and those before it as well) have chosen A. At least when it is militarily/economically 'easy' for them to do so...

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[OnYourBack 0]

>Did you look at the CIA factbook?

http://www.cia.gov/...blications/factbook/

(No guarantee that it contains the stuff you want).


That is a pretty cool resource but it didn't mention much about crime rate. I was just wondering if having that severe of a criminal justice system did anything to the crime rate.

It did say men only outnumber women 1.06 to 1 though. That sorta surprises me with the reported trend of aborting females.

[billvon 2,989]

>You either have to :
>A. Be the police of the world.
>B. Not get involved.

I hope that our leaders can see more shades of gray than that. I am not a cop, nor do I want to be. But if I saw someone being raped and I could do something about it I would. I wouldn't say to myself "I decided to not be a cop, and therefore the only other choice is to not get involved at all."