skydyvr 0 #176 September 4, 2004 QuoteOf course, One of the first hints of the whereabout of Saddam and his sons was in a restaurant. Bomb droped dozens of victims, saddam was not there. So, in other words, you mean that US forces were intentionally targeting Hussein, but unintentionaly killed some innocent people? Yes, I agree. Quote. . . a wedding, someone shoots at the air (old tradition) bomb droped, most people including the bride dies. So, in other words, you mean that US forces were intentionally targeting insurgents, but unintentionaly killed some innocent people? Yes, I agree. Quotei will post the links when i have a bit of time, but trust me, that happened. Shit happens. But the claim I'm making still holds true by all of your accounts: The US, by policy, does not intentionally kill innocents in Iraq. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #177 September 4, 2004 QuoteSo, in other words, you mean that US forces were intentionally targeting Hussein, but unintentionaly killed some innocent people? Yes, I agree. No, what i mean is that although they were targetting Saddam, they knew that they were in a residential suburb and by droping the bomb, they would kill many inocent civilians. Big diference. Quote. . . a wedding, someone shoots at the air (old tradition) bomb droped, most people including the bride dies. QuoteSo, in other words, you mean that US forces were intentionally targeting insurgents, but unintentionaly killed some innocent people? Yes, I agree. No, what i mean is that US was targetting someone who shot at the air (old tradition) and killed many innocent people. Big diference and bad intel. QuoteShit happens. But the claim I'm making still holds true by all of your accounts: The US, by policy, does not intentionally kill innocents in Iraq. You don´t hear anyone saying shit happens when talking about the 9/11 attacks. The U.S has intentionally killed innocents by accepting collateral damage as normal. With Sadam, they could have send the delta force or whatever to minimize civilian casualties. Howevver the US chose to be safe and drop a bomb from above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #178 September 4, 2004 Apparently he has not understood (besides a wide range of other things) what is the ROE, in the US forces. The laws that is expected of servicemen to follow, etc. It is easier to spew around just like Kerry did 30+ years ago, that we are just a bunch of murderers of innocent victims around the world. As you can see, you responded why you thought his comment was just plain stupid, like most coming from that direction, he escapes facts and plants his personal vindictive hatred as the "truth". It seems also that my sarcasm about the paella, also flew by him.......yet he just fell short of saying something along the lines of "your mother"..... It is funny to see how he trolls and entices flaming, and then goes about crying personal attack! I don't deserve this!!!!. Funny of how some people are."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #179 September 4, 2004 QuoteShit happens. But the claim I'm making still holds true by all of your accounts: The US, by policy, does not intentionally kill innocents in Iraq. So you're saying that all 10,000+ Iraqi deaths are accidental???? Man, that is fucking unlucky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #180 September 4, 2004 Quote Yea, so they're people. But "they", meaning people of the middle east, are not nearly as intellectually or culturally developed as "us", meaning people of the west. Not even close Such statement just leaves worst impressions and shows worst assessment (of yourself and the east/west comparison), not to talk about worst education. Incredible to read such low level comment in the 21st century. Based upon my own experiences with North Americans I do hope this is an exceptional case. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #181 September 4, 2004 Of that 10K you are assuming are all innocent bystanders, as well as many that have been killed by own Iraqi/terrorist forces. The ones that are accidental are the civilian casualties."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #182 September 4, 2004 Yes, indeed, the education they are receiving at home to become suicide bombers is the top of the line. AKA "their Harvard-MIT" education."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #183 September 4, 2004 Quote Yes, indeed, the education they are receiving at home to become suicide bombers is the top of the line. AKA "their Harvard-MIT" education Who is "They" ? Who is "their" ? Your reply sounds a little generalized dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #184 September 4, 2004 Stupid me for even considering you would have foresight and "education" to what is a clear fact for most around the globe.... They=islamic extremist Their=see above."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #185 September 4, 2004 Quote Stupid me for even considering you would have foresight and "education" to what is a clear fact for most around the globe.... They=islamic extremist Their=see above. I very much like to agree to few words in your above sentence, guess which? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #186 September 4, 2004 In the end still your lack understanding and perception of the ACTUAL subject at hand, one that is obvious to most living in this planet..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #187 September 4, 2004 Quoteone that is obvious to most living in this planet... How deep, I mean, living in this planet? Sorry, off-topic! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #188 September 4, 2004 Once again you are off topic and trying to deviate from the purpose of this thread, as well as understanding an explanation that is obvious to even the most "mentally challenged" person."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #189 September 4, 2004 QuoteIt sure looks like America is in Iraq because of their oil and the lucrative reconstruction contracts that GWB promised his buddies who put him in the White House to begin with. But that is just my opinion. Oh, bullshit - I'm so damn tired of hearing the "it's all for the oil" statement. If all we were after was the oil, Venezuela would be our 51st state by now.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #190 September 4, 2004 I'll second that. Whatever happened to PK with his pots and pans solidarity movement over there?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #191 September 4, 2004 QuoteYou don´t hear anyone saying shit happens when talking about the 9/11 attacks. The U.S has intentionally killed innocents by accepting collateral damage as normal. With Sadam, they could have send the delta force or whatever to minimize civilian casualties. Howevver the US chose to be safe and drop a bomb from above. You don't hear that because there was not higher goal, no understandable motivation. KILLING INNOCENTS WAS THEIR GOAL. That is not the case with the US military, no matter how many times you say it is. QuoteI don´t understand quite well what thick as theives means, but sounds to me like a personal attack. Thick as thieves is an old saying, indicating that thieves (and other unsavory types) are always found in large numbers, and they rarely rat each other out, as they 'depend' on each other and killing each other is bad business.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #192 September 4, 2004 Quotesolidarity movement over there? What is to be read there? Not exactly my mother language or one of the few others, I learned... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #193 September 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo, in other words, you mean that US forces were intentionally targeting Hussein, but unintentionaly killed some innocent people? Yes, I agree. No, what i mean is that although they were targetting Saddam, they knew that they were in a residential suburb and by droping the bomb, they would kill many inocent civilians. Big diference. Welcome to a higher understanding of the term "collateral damage". Yes, the US military knows innocents will die in some types of military operations, but still, the CIVILIANS are NOT THE TARGET. Can you comprehend that idea? If the US didn't care about killing civilians, we would just carpet bomb the target until no further resistance was met. That would take about a day, and game over. Why don't we do that? Answer: We DO care about civilian lives, and take a lot of steps to minimize their deaths. We spend billions on smart bomb technology. Goal: to minimize casualties. We drop fliers in areas where US attacks will occur, warning civilians to leave and militants to surrender. Goal: To minimize casualties. And of course, you won't find US soldiers strapping bombs to their bodies and walking aboard buses full of innocent civilians. Reason: we are not out to take out civilians. Fail to understand it all you want, but the US simply is not targeting innocent lives as part of it's strategy to win the war in Iraq or the war on terror (which have evolved into the same thing). . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #194 September 4, 2004 QuoteIt is funny to see how he trolls and entices flaming, and then goes about crying personal attack! I don't deserve this!!!!. It's a little peek into the entire liberal/socialist mentality, I tell ya! For a second, I though you were talking about Kerry and the SwiftVet story. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #195 September 4, 2004 I have the same issue some times(about other languages), But certainly find out most of the time, ,you simply don't understand. If you go a little futher and click on the link, and then read who I wrote too, then you'll get the idea. Is not that complicated. Just link....(speaking slowly and clearly) Venezuela-Cacerolazo-PhillyKev comments about pots and pans...... I'll pray you are able to understand. It seems you will need to add spanish to your dictionaries."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #196 September 4, 2004 QuoteIf the US didn't care about killing civilians, we would just carpet bomb the target until no further resistance was met. That would take about a day, and game over. Why don't we do that? Answer: We DO care about civilian lives, and take a lot of steps to minimize their deaths. Doesn't 10,000+ Iraqi casualties bother you then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #197 September 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf the US didn't care about killing civilians, we would just carpet bomb the target until no further resistance was met. That would take about a day, and game over. Why don't we do that? Answer: We DO care about civilian lives, and take a lot of steps to minimize their deaths. Doesn't 10,000+ Iraqi casualties bother you then? Of course not. I am a conservative, so obviously all I care about is me and mine. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #198 September 4, 2004 QuoteI doubt it. seeing a black guy on the street or meeting a spanish doesn´t count as caming into contact with other nationalities. That's a pretty good encapsulation of the stereotypical European view of Americans. There is some underlying truth to it, but stereotyping is still stereotyping. Do you think that all Germans are Nazi's and all Australians surfers, as well?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #199 September 4, 2004 Juanesky, Christelsabine, One liners that are just basically calling each other ignorant, uneducated or stupid don't really contribute to the discussion. You can both do better.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #200 September 5, 2004 I never said that it only happened in the U.S. It happens in all major cities as well. It happens where i live as well (Madrid). You may have a lot of diferent cultures very close to you but if you don´t do an effort to get to know them better, you will never do. That is why i dont buy the idea that a country is more cultural ONLY because it has many people from diferent cultures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
