turtlespeed 221 #26 September 8, 2004 QuoteThe game is on now.... Russia now knows how it feels to walk 10 feet in our shoes. Believe me when i say that Russia has endured hardships that our arrogant asses couldn't even begin to imagine.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #27 September 8, 2004 >You honestly expect me to believe that you wouldn't strap on your >butt-kicking boots and go headhunting? Or would you pull everything > back and fortify so you can deal with a bigger problem later on after > they see you turn tail and run. I'd do both - go after the person/persons who pulled this off or supported them, AND started to line up allies (in Chechnya and in my border countries) to help stop this sort of terrorism in the future. Our allies have arrested/killed more Al Qaeda higher-ups than we have; they are our best weapon in our fight against Al Qaeda. We'd be fools to discard them in favor of killing everyone ourselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #28 September 8, 2004 How are you leaping from that to 'airborne bio attacks?' You missed my point. You have one group that wants to go on the offensive and deal with the problem at the source. You have the other group that wants to do the touchy feely 'we need to learn and try to understand them and blah blah blah.' I gotta be honest Bill, but I don't think you'll be able to hold up that Koran and reason with these people if you ever end up sitting on a gym floor under explosives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #29 September 8, 2004 Quotebut I don't think you'll be able to hold up that Koran and reason with these people if you ever end up sitting on a gym floor under explosives. Bill.. Please get video so the rest of us can learn from that event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #30 September 8, 2004 Quote>You honestly expect me to believe that you wouldn't strap on your >butt-kicking boots and go headhunting? Or would you pull everything > back and fortify so you can deal with a bigger problem later on after > they see you turn tail and run. I'd do both - go after the person/persons who pulled this off or supported them, AND started to line up allies (in Chechnya and in my border countries) to help stop this sort of terrorism in the future. Our allies have arrested/killed more Al Qaeda higher-ups than we have; they are our best weapon in our fight against Al Qaeda. We'd be fools to discard them in favor of killing everyone ourselves. Oh really. So you'll be launching an invasion of some other sovereign country in the near future? Say, a smaller oil-rich country located in the middle east? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #31 September 8, 2004 QuoteConservatives go out and buy a 12-gauge and a bible I already had a 12 gauge, and a Koran. What does that make me?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #32 September 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteConservatives go out and buy a 12-gauge and a bible I already had a 12 gauge, and a Koran. What does that make me? Confused.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #33 September 8, 2004 I dunno - what color is your skin.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #34 September 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteConservatives go out and buy a 12-gauge and a bible I already had a 12 gauge, and a Koran. What does that make me? A terrorist!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #35 September 8, 2004 HAHAHAHAH That was funny shit Philly..... ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #36 September 8, 2004 Quote The game is on now.... Russia now knows how it feels to walk 10 feet in our shoes What? They needed to deal with terrorism much longer than the US! This attack was not coming from outside. Republic of Ossetien (with its city of Beslan, don't know in English, sorry) is a Russian republic, Chechniya (sp ?) too. In fact, these were Russians killing their own children. This cannot be compared with 09/11/01. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #37 September 8, 2004 Read up on your Russian and world history. Russia has suffered 10 times more then the US has at least from attacks on its own soil. Remember the whole Afganastan situation from the 80's? Remember the deathes caused in the coup that brought democracy to Russia? Those two events alone there left more dead then attacks on 9/11. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #38 September 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteConservatives go out and buy a 12-gauge and a bible I already had a 12 gauge, and a Koran. What does that make me? A terrorist!!! I thought terrorists had AK-47's and Korans. Wait, I've got one of those, too...-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #39 September 8, 2004 No, Terrorists have model airplanes and parachutes!Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #40 September 8, 2004 QuoteThey needed to deal with terrorism much longer than the US! Correct, they've had it much rougher than we have. QuoteThis attack was not coming from outside. Republic of Ossetien (with its city of Beslan, don't know in English, sorry) is a Russian republic, Chechniya (sp ?) too. In fact, these were Russians killing their own children. Wrong. Chechens have been struggling against Russia for a long time. Why? Independence. In the last 10-12 years, that independence has become synonymous with establishing an islamic government in Chechnya. After the first couple of times the Russian military and Chechen rebels fought... there weren't too many Chechens left. The remaining "freedom" fighters began to resort to terrorism and attacks on non-military targets, thanks, in no small part, to foreign islamic fighters from Afghanistan and other arab nations. Guess what? Reports on the school attack mention that of the 30-something terrorists... there was no shortage of Arabs in the mix. It doesn't matter where these people lived, or where their passports were from, they are islamic-fundamentalist terrorists. They have been, and most likely still are, funded from the arab world. It's time for the civilized people of the world to stand up to what reality is in front of us.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #41 September 8, 2004 Quote Wrong. Chechens have been struggling against Russia for a long time. Right. What I said. These Russians since a long time are fighting for their independence from Moscow. Who TF told you they are Islamic fundamental terrorists? In my eyes, that's BS, simply BS. It makes me angry to read such trivialities, condemning in advance the Islam itself. Think. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #42 September 8, 2004 QuoteThis cannot be compared with 09/11/01. Sure it can. The cowards inside that school stated to the hostages "we are here to commit a terririst act".. Innocent people were killed by a bunch of fucking morons with no regard for human life? How is this not the same? and Word is.. Al Queda may even be involved.. 9-11 = Al Queda Russia = Al Queda 9-11 = innocent civilians killed Russia = innocent civilians killed Hmmmm.... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #43 September 8, 2004 I don't suppose you paid much attention to Chechnya before this event last week, did you? Did you pay enough attention to actually seek out the websites run by the terrorists? I seem to remember a few... www.kavkaz.net, www.qoqaz.net, www.azzam.com. Guess what? SURPRISE they had video and pictures as well as letters written by fellow terrorists in the region and they were, in large part, arabs. So if you want to deny that the Chechen terrorist movement has any ties to radical islam... go ahead, you'll just be wrong. Here's a new idea for you... just because someone lives in Chechnya and fights with the Chechens, doesn't make them a Russian. QuoteWho TF told you they are Islamic fundamental terrorists? In my eyes, that's BS, simply BS. It makes me angry to read such trivialities, condemning in advance the Islam itself. I'll tell you who told me... observations of REALITY. I'm glad that it makes you angry, maybe you'll figure out that it is the bastards using Islam as a reason to kill who you should be angry with... not the people who point out that radical islam IS a problem.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #44 September 8, 2004 >You have one group that wants to go on the offensive and deal with the > problem at the source. You have the other group that wants to do the > touchy feely 'we need to learn and try to understand them and blah blah >blah.' I don't want to do a touchy-feely anything. Bin Laden attacked us, and unlike our current president I think him makes that a very high priority to capture or kill. We should not rest and not be distracted from the job of taking him out, no matter what tin-pot dictator is being an ass in Lower Slobivinastan. We need our military, our intelligence community, and our allies to do that. If you call having allies "being touchy-feely" then fine. It's fortunate not everyone feels that way or we would be even farther away from catching Bin Laden than we are now. >I gotta be honest Bill, but I don't think you'll be able to hold up that Koran >and reason with these people if you ever end up sitting on a gym floor >under explosives. And I don't think your 12 gauge will do diddly squat against the next biological attack against the US. I mean, you can just keep firing to try to kill all those little germs, but you're probably just gonna blow holes in your walls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #45 September 9, 2004 QuoteI’d just like to point out that outside of the US no one is suggesting any direct links between Beslan and Al Qaeda. I think that is something you might look at taking on board. The only evidence to link the two (so far) is the brutality of the attack and the fact that some of the hostage takers were Arabs. Neither fact is terribly surprising given the history of the Chechen conflict and would be likely to exist anyway, even in the absence of any Al Qaeda link. Gee, let's see by this logic, it's just mere coincidence that arab terrorists, who claim Jihad, and Allah is great, are not trully suspicious of being Al qaeda. And you thought you learn from past experiences. To hell with my EP's..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #46 September 9, 2004 WTF are you coming from on this? All I was commenting on is the polarization of the type of responses that this brings out. You have the 'let's hunt em down crowd' and the 'let's try to work things out' crowd. Bio attakcs? Drawing analogies to building alliances in the war on terror? Man, you're out in space. Forget it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #47 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuote Wrong. Chechens have been struggling against Russia for a long time. Right. What I said. These Russians since a long time are fighting for their independence from Moscow. Who TF told you they are Islamic fundamental terrorists? In my eyes, that's BS, simply BS. It makes me angry to read such trivialities, condemning in advance the Islam itself. Think. We need get somthing cleared up. The Islamic fundamental terrorists ARE NOT Islam. Oh my. They hit the United States. Then they hit Spain. They just Russia. They're coming for you next, Christel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #48 September 9, 2004 QuoteI'd do both - go after the person/persons who pulled this off or supported them, And they'd call you an imperialist dog And peopel would say "you're just creating a bigger problem, and encouraging more of them to do it... QuoteAND started to line up allies (in Chechnya and in my border countries) to help stop this sort of terrorism in the future. And they'd call you an imperialist dog And accuse you of setting up puppet governments QuoteOur allies have arrested/killed more Al Qaeda higher-ups than we have; they are our best weapon in our fight against Al Qaeda. We'd be fools to discard them in favor of killing everyone ourselves. US experience is just a bit different. AQ doesn't have headquarters in the state next door. The Russians have no ocean between them and the Chechens. Irrelevant to this scenario.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #49 September 9, 2004 >AQ doesn't have headquarters in the state next door. AQ got in from next door. >The Russians have no ocean between them and the Chechens. And we used to think that ocean was a great insulator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #50 September 9, 2004 >All I was commenting on is the polarization of the type of responses > that this brings out. You have the 'let's hunt em down crowd' and > the 'let's try to work things out' crowd. Ah. In that case, any reasonable person (at least one who expects to ever win) will do both. >Bio attakcs? Drawing analogies to building alliances in the war >on terror? Man, you're out in space. Forget it. Sorry, was introducing reality into a hypothetical situation; a foolish tactic here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
