Russia and terrorists...

[mr2mk1g 10]

Well lets see: Britain endured 70 years of terrorist activities by Irishmen holding guns and bombs. So you’d claim they were all in the IRA?

Or lets try and step into reality now… we had the IRA, PIRA, CIRA, TIRA, CAC, Cumann na mBan, Fianna na hEireann, the INLA, IPLO, LVF, the Orange Volunteers, Red Hand Commando, Red Hand Defenders, Saor Eire, UDA, UFF, UVF, the RIRA (real nasty Christian fuckers who killed kids), Sinn Fein – the political wing of the IRA, (although they’re all ex terrorists), there were Loyalists, Republicans, Catholics, Protestants…

And that's just one small, lightly populated country. Terror groups are be found the world over.

Get real. Just because they were Irish and a terrorist didn’t mean they were in the IRA.
Likewise just because you find an Arab with a gun doesn’t mean he’s Al Qaeda. Take a look at the website below. It’s a list of the proscribed groups around the world. Note how many there are other than just Al Qaeda.

http://www.terrorism.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=TGroups&file=index

You’ve been force fed “Al Qaeda are bad – they’re trying to kill America - they’re trying to take over the world” for so long now you can’t see the wood for the trees. Yes they’re bad and they’re out there. Yes they have links to other organisations. But they are far from the only people out there trying to kill you. Ignore the others at your peril.

Don’t be fooled by the media into thinking that simply because they’re an Arab who claims Jihad that they MUST be Al Qaeda. There are a lot of other possibilities.

Remember The Life of Brian? “Fucking PFJ – SPLITERS!”

[Trent 0]

Quote

You’ve been force fed “Al Qaeda are bad – they’re trying to kill America - they’re trying to take over the world” for so long now you can’t see the wood for the trees. Yes they’re bad and they’re out there. Yes they have links to other organisations. But they are far from the only people out there trying to kill you. Ignore the others at your peril.

Don’t be fooled by the media into thinking that simply because they’re an Arab who claims Jihad that they MUST be Al Qaeda. There are a lot of other possibilities.

And honestly, who cares what they call themselves? By acknowledging their "cause" or names it makes them feel just a little more credible. They are islamic fundamentalist fuck-bags.

Quote

Don’t be fooled by the media into thinking that simply because they’re an Arab who claims Jihad that they MUST be Al Qaeda. There are a lot of other possibilities.

Yeah, but there's a pretty darned good chance that these ARE islamic-fundamentalist fuck-bags.

Ignore THAT at your own peril.

Oh, hello again!

[billvon 2,998]

>By acknowledging their "cause" or names it makes them feel just a little
>more credible. They are islamic fundamentalist fuck-bags.

So why do you readily acknowledge their religion? They are fuck-bags, period. They are much closer to Timothy McVeigh than they are to most Islamic clerics despite the differences in religion.

[Trent 0]

Quote

So why do you readily acknowledge their religion?They are fuck-bags, period. They are much closer to Timothy McVeigh than they are to most Islamic clerics despite the differences in religion.

So would it be as constructive to just have us out to get all the "Bad People"? Or would narrowing it down a bit help?

Do you really refuse to see what is clearly a HUGE problem in the islamic world?

Notice I'm using terms like islamic-fundamentalists and extremists and terrorists in my posts. Don't just assume that I'm indicting an entire religion becuase it makes it easier to disagree with me.

Oh, hello again!

[billvon 2,998]

>Do you really refuse to see what is clearly a HUGE problem in the islamic world?

It is now because we're sensitive to it. The atheistic Tamil Tigers have killed far more people than Al Qaeda, but we don't much care because most of them weren't Americans. Twenty years ago it was the dirty commies; in another ten years we will have a new huge problem (maybe it will be the evil Chinese Communists.)

Personally, I think we should go after people who try to kill americans no matter what their religion, race, or country of origin. Right now lots of Muslims hate us because we kill a lot of them. Once we stop killing them, that hatred will decline, and another group will take over for most evil religion or country. It's happened many, many times before.

[storm1977 0]

I dissagree .... They don't just hate us because we "kill them". They hate us because of our support od Isreal... That will never end.

-----------------------------------------------------
Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

[billvon 2,998]

>They don't just hate us because we "kill them". They hate us because
>of our support od Isreal.

Well, ask yourself why you hate Al Qaeda. Do you hate them because you hate Muslims, or do you hate them because they killed 3000 americans? Arabs are not so different than Americans. Both people don't like it when you kill their countrymen. (And we killed 7000 of their people over the past two years; they killed 3000 of ours.)

I agree that our support for Israel is another big factor - but that's the same thing, indirectly. Israelis kill Palestinians with great regularity (and vice versa.)

[tunaplanet 0]

Quote

They're not so different than we are.

Wow. That comment is so far out there I don't even know where to begin.

We'll let you speak for yourself, not others. So by your comment you're saying you're not that different from an extremist terrorist who looks to kill and slaughter as many Americans as possible?

Wow.

Forty-two

[storm1977 0]

Ahhh but see that is the difference.... The muslims don't see that killing Isrealies is bad. Nor do they see killing americans is bad. They (the terrorists) unfortunately will not stop trying to attack the US even if we stopped supporting Isreal.

I know it is a bit arrogant of me to say, but We (the USA) is right in this battle and the terrorist are wrong. I am not sypathetic. I understand their side and their views, and IMO they are absolutely wrong.

We are living in WWIII like it or not. If we don't bring the war to them, they WILL bring it to us.

Chris

-----------------------------------------------------
Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

[kallend 2,027]

Quote

Quote

They're not so different than we are.

Wow. That comment is so far out there I don't even know where to begin.

We'll let you speak for yourself, not others. So by your comment you're saying you're not that different from an extremist terrorist who looks to kill and slaughter as many Americans as possible?

Wow.

Is the "glass f%%king parking lot" mentality any different than an extremist terrorist mentality? We hear a lot of that around here.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Darius11 12]

I think this just sucked. How could you kill children This really made me mad, sad, and all of the above.
But the Russians did the same things to them before. Does it make what they did right no, but there is always a pattern no one just gets up in the morning and says lets kill a whole bunch of people. The things we do will and always do come back to hunt us.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[storm1977 0]

Quote

I think this just sucked. How could you kill children This really made me mad, sad, and all of the above.
But the Russians did the same things to them before. Does it make what they did right no, but there is always a pattern no one just gets up in the morning and says lets kill a whole bunch of people. The things we do will and always do come back to hunt us.

You are wrong.... I think Hitler and Stalin woke up once and said... "Let's kill some People".

-----------------------------------------------------
Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

[billvon 2,998]

>So by your comment you're saying you're not that different from an
> extremist terrorist who looks to kill and slaughter as many Americans as
> possible?

I am not very different than Mina even though she's a Muslim from Iran. Nor am I much different from Mark (skydiver from Syria) or Venkat (engineer from India.)

I _am_ different from Timothy McVeich and Osama bin Laden because I don't kill other people to further my political goals. But note it's my actions, not my religion, background or country, that makes me different.

[tunaplanet 0]

Not what you said. You were talking about Al Qaeda and then said they aren't that different from us.

I think I speak for most of the people when I say we don't even remotely come close to believing we are similiar to Al Qaeda.

Maybe you do...but certainly not me.

Forty-two

[billvon 2,998]

>You were talking about Al Qaeda and then said they aren't that different from us.

No, I said that they (Muslims in Arab countries) were not so different from us. I edited the post to make it more clear.

[tunaplanet 0]

So now you've gone from Al Queda to Muslims in Arab Nations. Ok, I follow now

Forty-two

[billvon 2,998]

> So now you've gone from Al Queda to Muslims in Arab Nations. Ok, I follow now.

Good! Gotta keep track of those pronouns.

[tunaplanet 0]

Quote

Good! Gotta keep track of those pronouns.

Pronouns, flip-flops...all the same I suppose

Forty-two

[billvon 2,998]

> The muslims don't see that killing Isrealies is bad. Nor do they see killing americans is bad.

Oh, we said the same thing about the commies during the Cold War, and about the Japanese and Germans during World War II. And after those wars were over - it turns out they are a lot like us! Just people being misled by their government.

Muslims are pretty much people, just like us. In general they don't want to kill anyone, just like us. If you kill their families and friends, they get mad enough to support groups/governments that do want to kill, just like us.

>They (the terrorists) unfortunately will not stop trying to attack the US
>even if we stopped supporting Isreal.

Of course they will. Communist China is very opposed to our way of life; they have made threatening military gestures towards us quite often. Why do you suppose there aren't a lot of Chinese terrorists blowing up US buildings and barracks? Because, for the most part, we leave them alone. If we killed 7000 innocent people in Dongguan, that would change _very_ quickly. One good conclusion you could draw from that is that we shouldn't kill thousands of innocent Chinese unless there is a _very_ good reason.

[Trent 0]

Quote

It is now because we're sensitive to it. The atheistic Tamil Tigers have killed far more people than Al Qaeda, but we don't much care because most of them weren't Americans. Twenty years ago it was the dirty commies; in another ten years we will have a new huge problem (maybe it will be the evil Chinese Communists.)

So many bad guys, so little time...

Seriously though... you, Bill, being a self-proclaimed liberal, can't possibly see that there is something wrong with the islamic-fundamentalist movement? I mean, in all your efforts to "understand" them and why they hate us, you find no problems with their relentless perpetuation of the anti-western rhetoric? Do you really think that it's okay for them to think they can kill any non-muslim because we are filthy infidels? This is a systematic problem with islamic fundamentalism, whether we're paying attention to it or not.

Quote

Personally, I think we should go after people who try to kill americans no matter what their religion, race, or country of origin.

So, you support the war in Iraq then, yeah? Seeing as how they regularly took pot shots at our planes patrolling the no-fly zone, and how they tried to assassinate Bush 41, and how they encouraged terrorism with their "shaheed family payouts"...

Quote

Right now lots of Muslims hate us because we kill a lot of them. Once we stop killing them, that hatred will decline, and another group will take over for most evil religion or country. It's happened many, many times before.

That's naive... "The West" has had problems with islamic terrorism since Munich. Go read the terror groups' manifestos... then come back and honestly tell me that you think they'll stop trying to wipe out the non-muslims whenever they can.

And just because someone else may become the bigger bad guy, doesn't mean that these turds won't always be a problem. What do you think they'll do if we figure out how to use garbage to power our flux-capacitors in our cars and no longer need oil? You think they'll be content to settle back into the desert, or will we be the bad guys for cutting off trillions of dollars in income for them?

Oh, hello again!

[billvon 2,998]

>can't possibly see that there is something wrong with the
>islamic-fundamentalist movement?

There is something wrong with people who want to kill Americans, no matter what religion they are. Those people range from the Army of God (ultraconservative Christian fundamentalists) to Al Qaeda (radical Islamic fundamentalists) to

>I mean, in all your efforts to "understand" them and why they hate us,
>you find no problems with their relentless perpetuation of the
> anti-western rhetoric?

Rhetoric never hurt us. Remember "We will bury you?" They didn't. We were smart enough to essentially ignore that remark, and we won in the end.

>>Personally, I think we should go after people who try to kill americans
>> no matter what their religion, race, or country of origin.

>So, you support the war in Iraq then, yeah?

If they had pulled off 9/11 - absolutely I would support it. Since they didn't, I don't.

>That's naive... "The West" has had problems with islamic terrorism
>since Munich. Go read the terror groups' manifestos... then come back
> and honestly tell me that you think they'll stop trying to wipe out the
> non-muslims whenever they can.

There will be people who hate the US forever, just as there are people in the US who will hate the japs, or the commies, or the muslims forever. That doesn't matter. What does matter is that if there is no support for them, they sit there and silently rant in their cave or whatever until they die.

>What do you think they'll do if we figure out how to use garbage to
> power our flux-capacitors in our cars and no longer need oil?

They will sell the oil to someone else if that ever happens. It never will; we would rather risk another 9/11 than give up cheap gas for our SUV's.

>You think they'll be content to settle back into the desert, or will we be
>the bad guys for cutting off trillions of dollars in income for them?

No - Germany, Italy, France and China will become their new customers, and will be the new patrons of Israel and the new force in the Middle East. And the next building taken out will be St. Peters or the Eiffel Tower. By that time we will be so preoccupied with China and North Korea that we won't even be mentioning them.

Fast forward 20 years:

Trent: So, Bill, you figure we should just ignore the communists, then? The same communists who have stated they WANT to destroy the United States with meson weapons? Meson weapons that are illegal for anyone but the US to own?

Bill: They've been saying that for half a century! We ignored them because everyone was all hepped up about the Islamic fundamentalists.

Trent: Why do you insist on dredging up the irrelevant past when we're talking about _real_ threats?

[Frenchy68 0]

Fast forward 20 years:

Trent: So, Bill, you figure we should just ignore the communists, then?***
(Psssst, guys, there won't be any communists left in China in 20 years...)

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[turtlespeed 221]

Quote

Muslims are pretty much people, just like us. In general they don't want to kill anyone, just like us. If you kill their families and friends, they get mad enough to support groups/governments that do want to kill, just like us.

So you are defending a group of people that think it is "OK" to murder Americans, Spaniards, English, Israelites, anyone else that happens to not believe in their god, germans, austrailians, etc. etc.
I see so they don't want to - but don't see anything wrong with it? Civilized , are they?


>They (the terrorists) unfortunately will not stop trying to attack the US
>even if we stopped supporting Isreal.

Of course they will. Communist China is very opposed to our way of life; they have made threatening military gestures towards us quite often. Why do you suppose there aren't a lot of Chinese terrorists blowing up US buildings and barracks? Because, for the most part, we leave them alone. If we killed 7000 innocent people in Dongguan, that would change _very_ quickly. One good conclusion you could draw from that is that we shouldn't kill thousands of innocent Chinese unless there is a _very_ good reason.

[billvon 2,998]

>So you are defending a group of people that think it is "OK" to murder Americans . . .

No. Re-read my post.

>What does 7000 innocent Chinese have anything to do with israel?

If we kill 7000 Arabs, Arabs will get mad at us. If we kill 7000 Chinese, Chinese will get mad at us. Some of them will be mad enough to kill - just as (by their own admission) 9/11 made some americans who post here mad enough to kill. It's pretty straightforward.

Israel essentially kills Arabs on our nickel. They have figured this out.

[Jimbo 0]

Quote

Is the "glass f%%king parking lot" mentality any different than an extremist terrorist mentality? We hear a lot of that around here.

Statistically, I suspect that we hear it more from you and Bill than we do from anywhere else.

-
Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.