tankervinnie 0 #1 April 12, 2016 So I have been slowly increasing my landing speed and I am now at the point where I am surging my canopy before taking hold of my dive loops and adding rotation. Well, when reaching for my fronts I am having a hard time getting my fingers inside the loops because they lay flat against the riser (stock Javelin riders). I read a few posts on a similar thread that was much older but the photo hosting sites no longer show the pictures of the modifications some guys did. I would prefer a DIY home method for now as my rigger is extremely backed up. I seem to remember reading somebody doing something with gaffer tape that would fix the issue but don't remember what it was exactly that he did. If anyone has any ideas let me know! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blis 1 #2 April 12, 2016 Buy better risers with real dive loops... or just add tape to loops until they hold their shape... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #3 April 12, 2016 you can fold the fabric together (like pinching it) and tack it so it won't lay flat and it will be much easier to get your hands in. But this will add a bit of bulk where the risers lay.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alexg3265 0 #4 April 12, 2016 fold the top part of the dive loop up and put a bartack in, that will hold it up and open... basically what the previous guy said... have a rigger do it if you dont have a bartacker at home... most people dont... a regular zig zag will work, but it needs to be done really well to avoid problems with it pulling out as you pull on it repeatedly...I was that kid jumping out if his tree house with a bed sheet. My dad wouldn't let me use the ladder to try the roof... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #5 April 12, 2016 I have seen a few DIY methods as simple as putting some fabric tape (hockey tape) around the bottom of the dive loop. I don't like this but it was cheap and effective. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #6 April 12, 2016 Start folding them upwards when you place the risers in the container after packing it. After a few jumps they'll almost start to fold themselves. No modifications are needed and it's 100% free. It's basically the same way I pack toggles (usually on reserves) so that when they come out, you don't have to fiddle with getting your hands in there. If I remember to, I'll take pictures of what I'm talking about tonight. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yanni 0 #7 April 12, 2016 Chuting Star has a pretty sweet set of risers with nice dive loops available. They aren't too expensive and work well I use them on both my rigs. When you sell your rig just put your original risers back on and move your nice ones over to your new rig.Door! Green! Enjoy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #8 April 13, 2016 Here's what I mean, with the dive loop: [inline dive.jpg] With the toggle: [inline toggle.jpg] When the canopy deploys, the toggle and dive loop do this: [inline open.jpg] Make sense?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barefut 0 #9 April 13, 2016 I use the chuting star risers with the pop out front loops. For riser pulls they are awesome. However packing them before they are not broke in can be a bitch. Especially if you have secondary riser covers.Whale oil beef hooked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tankervinnie 0 #10 April 13, 2016 That looks like a tremendous improvement over the way my loops lay after opening, thanks a ton! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #11 April 13, 2016 I have the same problem, and I've got swoop risers with Louie loop style dive loops. At the bottom of the dive loop where I wanted it to stick out rather than lay flat, I wrapped about 1" wide in cling film (saran wrap?) to protect the material of the loop, then covered this cling film in a layer or two of gaffa/duct tape. Can still pull my slider over it, but it is more inclined to leave the loop open. The cling film/gaffa tape stiffener is generally able to slide on the dive loop, so you can move it in storage/when packing so that it is on a different part of the loop if you want. Then just slide it to the bottom once canopy is open. Or something like that. Has worked for me anyway. Will definitely start packing it with the loops opened/pressed the other way though.Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #12 April 14, 2016 degeneration At the bottom of the dive loop where I wanted it to stick out rather than lay flat, I wrapped about 1" wide in cling film (saran wrap?) to protect the material of the loop, then covered this cling film in a layer or two of gaffa/duct tape. I'd be very careful about doing things like this. Something seemingly unable to damage the equipment can have adverse impact. A case of this would be the rubber band on the hip rings that were impacting the integrity of the MLW. degeneration Will definitely start packing it with the loops opened/pressed the other way though. Good luck, post back with your results or questions. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronny2 0 #13 April 14, 2016 Yes be carefull with tape ! A colleague rigger found this on dive loops ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #14 April 14, 2016 ronny2Yes be carefull with tape ! A colleague rigger found this on dive loops ! That's there is specifically why I was putting cling film around the loops first, then the tape around the cling film. If what I'm doing really is a rigging no no, I'll take it off before next jump. Not being a rigger, it just seemed like a simple solution to my problem, and I couldn't think of any way in which it would have an adverse impact.Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytribe 17 #15 April 14, 2016 Is the tape the cause or is the tape a bad attempt to stop the damage getting worse ? Putting tape on a rig is rarely a good fix to anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytribe 17 #16 April 14, 2016 Best course of action is rather than home made fixes - take it to a rigger and have them make a more permanent fix. There are numerous ways to resolve this - you are not the first so don't try re-inventing the wheel. A couple of dollars to you rigger should provide you with a more permanent fix. Blocks, Stiffeners, extra channel with cable or tubing inside are 3 that spring to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronny2 0 #17 April 14, 2016 Bad attempt to hide a problem ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kristian_AUS 0 #18 April 14, 2016 theonlyskiA case of this would be the rubber band on the hip rings that were impacting the integrity of the MLW. Not sure if I follow, would you care to elaborate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #19 April 14, 2016 Kristian_AUS***A case of this would be the rubber band on the hip rings that were impacting the integrity of the MLW. Not sure if I follow, would you care to elaborate? http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Gear_and_Rigging_F6/SERVICE_BULLETIN_for_folks_with_hip_rings_P735166/ The link in that post is expired, so here's the new one: http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/PDF/Support/Rigging/09122RubberBand.pdf Sorry, I was incorrect on saying it was the MLW, that would depend on the ring type."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #21 April 14, 2016 Wow that's a new one. Rubber bands on webbing is always a bad idea. The tape I've seen is called vet wrap. It sticks to itself and is a type of spandex cotton bandage. I'm not a fan of the practice but as long as it isn't damaging the actual risers I don't think it's particularly unsafe. I think I have a pair in the scrap bin I can take photos of. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kristian_AUS 0 #22 April 14, 2016 Thanks for the info, that's new to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
