TypicalFish 0 #26 September 9, 2004 QuoteTrying to disrupt the other side's convention is protesting the system itself. They could've easily held a protest in some other city at the same time and drawn media attention. I agree with this point to a certain extent, and asked around about it; it was pointed out to me (by a Bush campaign staffer, no less) that the reason that they protest at the time of the convention is that they are hoping to get "bookend" media coverage from the convention itself. And it worked. QuoteAs for constructive change, there wasn't a single issue represented rather a bunch of people wanting their candidate in the White House. There were plenty of issues brought to the forefront, as well as forum for dialogue and discussion. In their minds, that IS constructive change. They feel that Bush does not represent their interests and they want someone who (in theory) does."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #27 September 9, 2004 I disagree completely. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 September 9, 2004 QuoteTrying to disrupt the other side's convention is protesting the system itself. Other than one or two nut jobs, I didn't see much indication of anyone trying to disrupt it. What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #29 September 9, 2004 Thousands of people flocking to NYC during a time when a lot of people are there for the convention and standing in the streets, let alone haggling attendees or riding bikes or being paid to be there, is a disruption in and of itself. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #30 September 9, 2004 QuoteThousands of people flocking to NYC during a time when a lot of people are there for the convention and standing in the streets, let alone haggling attendees or riding bikes or being paid to be there, is a disruption in and of itself. The city was already HUGELY disrupted by the convention and accompanying security, I seriously doubt that the presence of the protesters really made much difference, if at all."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #31 September 9, 2004 > Thousands of people flocking to NYC during a time when a lot of people > are there for the convention and standing in the streets . . . . . . . is one of the most strongly protected rights we have, for good reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #32 September 9, 2004 Quote> Thousands of people flocking to NYC during a time when a lot of people > are there for the convention and standing in the streets . . . . . . . is one of the most strongly protected rights we have, for good reason. I never said that they couldn't do it, only that the purpose was malicious. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #33 September 9, 2004 >I never said that they couldn't do it, only that the purpose was malicious. No more so than the purpose of the DNC protesters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #34 September 9, 2004 Quote>I never said that they couldn't do it, only that the purpose was malicious. No more so than the purpose of the DNC protesters. Quite frankly, given the circumstances and current level of tension, BOTH sides were remarkably well-behaved at both conventions."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #35 September 9, 2004 >Quite frankly, given the circumstances and current level of tension, BOTH >sides were remarkably well-behaved at both conventions. Agreed. I was expecting worse at both conventions. The right to publically demonstrate is reinforced when people do not abuse that right to loot, vandalize etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melstarr 0 #36 September 9, 2004 too much of anything is Bad too far left or too far right will always bring out the beast. absorbing both sides is the healthiest thing one can do ~ meL* Pink Mafia / Tunnel Mafia Sister Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #37 September 9, 2004 Quotethe fact that you do not perceive the ironic nature of that statement from his tone and style of writing and lash out (or perhaps you do and react the same anyway) because of it, does much to prove his point. Obviously you do or you wouldnt have bothered to respond....twice no less... Ironic nature? I didn't catch any irony nor sarcasm in his post. There was a grammatical error or two, but no irony. He flat out was just saying that Democrats behave better than Republicans, and are more articulate in expressing their views, and I took issue with the indictment. I have no problem asserting that I am very articulate, and I don't think it's smug or arrogant to say so; it's just true, like some people are fine musicians or sculptors or swoopers. His statement comes off, to me, as just a load of malarkey from a biased source. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #38 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteWho gives a flying shit what you think? And with a most satisfied grin, I rest my case. Yeah, okay. That wouldn't be a "shit-eating grin" by any chance, would it? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #39 September 9, 2004 QuoteWell, what totally amazes me is the complete lack of a sense of humor that many of the people on here have (as a matter of fact, most of the humor-deficient people seem to be the Bush supporters). I suspect that's probably because most of the sarcasm-spewers (that "humor" you think you are reading is really sarcasm, hon. It's the trademark of the intellectually-bankrupt leftist. It's not our fault that because we see through them, we don't find them funny. Now Lewis Black -- HE'S funny! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #40 September 9, 2004 QuoteYeps, Bill's rihgt. Us Buschies sur cn't spill or tipe. We gotta blaym it on tha inbreding, kuzzin. Duz krazy things with tha jeenes. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #41 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteYeps, Bill's rihgt. Us Buschies sur cn't spill or tipe. We gotta blaym it on tha inbreding, kuzzin. Duz krazy things with tha jeenes. - Hmmm, looks like sarcasm, you turning leftie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #42 September 9, 2004 QuoteYes I have noticed the same. RNC was filled with noise and people just cheering when it was appropriate. The DNC had some facts on what has goon wrong. Just looking at the bush supporters reminds me of noise, interference, and mindless arguing. I find it exceptionally funny when what ever has goon wrong is blamed on Clinton. He is an Evil man because he got a blow job, but killing innocent people, and our own men and woman for a reason that does not exists is an honorable cause. Didn't good ol' Bill kill people when he launched missiles at an aspirin factory to take the country's mind off his blowjob and subsequent perjury? By the way, liberal, your last ... *ahem* ... "sentence" pretty aptly fits the description of what narcimund accused the conservatives of writing. Try proofreading before you hit send and make him look all...wrong and stuff. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #43 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThousands of people flocking to NYC during a time when a lot of people are there for the convention and standing in the streets, let alone haggling attendees or riding bikes or being paid to be there, is a disruption in and of itself. The city was already HUGELY disrupted by the convention and accompanying security, I seriously doubt that the presence of the protesters really made much difference, if at all. Isn't there a difference between the "disruption" of normal city events due to a huge event that is being logistically managed to keep everything running as smoothly as possible, and deliberate efforts to keep things from running smoothly and to cause embarrassment and hassle for the Republicans engaged in the convention? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #44 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeps, Bill's rihgt. Us Buschies sur cn't spill or tipe. We gotta blaym it on tha inbreding, kuzzin. Duz krazy things with tha jeenes. - Hmmm, looks like sarcasm, you turning leftie? Yep. Four left turns from where I'm headed, and I should be right on course again! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #45 September 9, 2004 QuoteHis statement comes off, to me, as just a load of malarkey from a biased source Since he prefaced that statement with one indicating it was his observation, I'd imagine that it's just one person's opinion. He has a right to say that. I also don't think he said that the conservatives were relentlessly grammar-free, just that there seemed to be more short sentences with very little attention to spelling in what he read. I would not consider your writing to be the least bit incorrect; I will admit, however, that vitriol seems to pour out every now and then. To my eyes at least. But what I see as vitriol is probably what you consider to be an honestly-expressed opinion. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #46 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteHis statement comes off, to me, as just a load of malarkey from a biased source Since he prefaced that statement with one indicating it was his observation, I'd imagine that it's just one person's opinion. He has a right to say that. I also don't think he said that the conservatives were relentlessly grammar-free, just that there seemed to be more short sentences with very little attention to spelling in what he read. I would not consider your writing to be the least bit incorrect; I will admit, however, that vitriol seems to pour out every now and then. To my eyes at least. But what I see as vitriol is probably what you consider to be an honestly-expressed opinion. Wendy W. Don't you see that an "opinon" that claims to be observing factual data is no longer truly an opinion? If I observe a group of people talking calmly and in civil tones, and then later opine that the conservatives in the group were much more loud and were rude and obnoxious, what good does it do to say that it's my "opinion," if objectively everyone was behaving about the same? People hide their lies and distortions and biases behing this b.s. mask of "opinion" all the time. If you have a proper, functioning definition of "opinion," often they look pretty laughable. My "opinion" is that water is dry, sand is wet, and the sky is orange. You can't assail my point of view -- it's just my opinion! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #47 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuotethe fact that you do not perceive the ironic nature of that statement from his tone and style of writing and lash out (or perhaps you do and react the same anyway) because of it, does much to prove his point. Obviously you do or you wouldnt have bothered to respond....twice no less... Ironic nature? I didn't catch any irony nor sarcasm in his post. There was a grammatical error or two, but no irony. .....His statement comes off, to me, as just a load of malarkey from a biased source. - exactly my point! You didnt get it, and reacted exactly as i'll bet he was expecting the majority of Bush supporters to act, but obviously a good portion of the readers DID 'get it' and understood his tone... "Going to Hell??" ok, please tell me which side of the political fence is more apt to use that phrase??? now which side is he on? still dont see the fish? better duck Quote have no problem asserting that I am very articulate, and I don't think it's smug or arrogant to say so the irony is this statement it pretty funny in and of itself, but i bet you missed it as well, since you wrote it... should i qoute some 'articulate speach' about the FL power company for you btw sarcasm is a form of humor...even when it's directed at you..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #48 September 9, 2004 Hey Mr. Articulate, have you ever heard of the grammar rule that you begin a sentence with a capital letter? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #49 September 9, 2004 absolutely, however since you have no issues comprehending breif statements without said capital letters it is meaniless convention. capitalization is used for a different purpose on the net, but i guess an evolving culture is something else you 'dont get'? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #50 September 9, 2004 QuoteDon't you see that an "opinon" that claims to be observing factual data is no longer truly an opinion? When he prefaces it with "observation" I'm willing to cut him some slack. But a much more scientific method of rebutting his statement would be to go look at all of the threads in Speaker's Corner and do an inventory, analyzing each on axes for grammar & spelling (extra credit for separating them), profanity, and detectable political slant. That even gives a bye to the old Talkback even, although it did provide some rich material about a year and a half ago. That would be most thorough. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
