Zenister 0 #51 September 9, 2004 QuoteDon't you see that an "opinon" that claims to be observing factual data is no longer truly an opinion? an opinion NOT based on observation is simply ignorant.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #52 September 9, 2004 hehehe - funny! Love it! mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #53 September 9, 2004 i like that too. Man should he be tired, from following Bush and Kerry around while they do their grocery shopping. You too Narcimund, Go to hell!!!"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #54 September 10, 2004 Quote deliberate efforts to keep things from running smoothly and to cause embarrassment and hassle for the Republicans engaged in the convention? Again, I saw no evidence of this. To what are you referring. What I saw were small events, properly permitted, logistically managed, and run smoothly. Oh yeah, and an exercise of the first amendment. What's your problem with it besides that you disagreed with their opinions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #55 September 10, 2004 QuoteHis statement comes off, to me, as just a load of malarkey from a biased source. Malarkey? Maybe. But I'm really excited to hear what bias you think I have. Oh boy. This is going to be good! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #56 September 10, 2004 Quoteabsolutely, however since you have no issues comprehending breif statements without said capital letters it is meaniless convention. capitalization is used for a different purpose on the net, but i guess an evolving culture is something else you 'dont get'? I think I also understood what you meant by "meaniless," too! Damn, I have good intuition! Hey, are apostrophes now also reserved for a special function? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #57 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuote deliberate efforts to keep things from running smoothly and to cause embarrassment and hassle for the Republicans engaged in the convention? Again, I saw no evidence of this. To what are you referring. What I saw were small events, properly permitted, logistically managed, and run smoothly. Oh yeah, and an exercise of the first amendment. What's your problem with it besides that you disagreed with their opinions? Specifically, I was thinking of the several groups I had read about that intended to engage in deliberately disruptive activity: - volunteer as "moles" and then not show up for important assignments - misdirect delegates and other out-of-town visitors who need help with locating hotels, events, etc. - throw pies at delegates I don't know if any of this actually took off -- who knows how large, or pissant, these "groups" really were. I simply read an article in my local paper that there were groups on the web that claimed they had hundreds, or thousands, of people coming from out of town and in town to engage in deliberate harassment of the Republican delegates. But like many Democrats, most likely they couldn't get out of their own way and the plans turned to shit. I do not recall hearing of any major disruptions actually occurring. Most of those who planned to do so probably just slept in, then got stoned and ate Cheerios straight from the box and watched Spongebob Squarepants. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #58 September 10, 2004 yup when i decide to use them... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #59 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteDon't you see that an "opinon" that claims to be observing factual data is no longer truly an opinion? an opinion NOT based on observation is simply ignorant. I am thinking of things like the assault weapons ban (on my mind a lot lately -- sorreeee): If someone has an "opinion" on it that is not based in fact, it's ignorant, right? (You just said so.) So if two people are asked about supporting the ban -- one does and one does not -- and they are quizzed about their reasons, each offers his opinion, right? "I feel that we should renew it because it is saving lives." "I feel that we should let it expire because it couldn't possibly be really saving lives." Those are opinions. But the ban either IS saving lives or it ISN'T saving lives. How could it be both saving lives and not saving lives? But each person may harbor his "opinion" either with or without having looked at ("observed") factual data -- about what the ban is empowered to actually DO, and what the crime rates have done during the life of the ban. If the "opinion" of the first person is to support the ban because it is "good," but it can be proved (pretty easily, I might add) that the ban couldn't possibly have been doing the alleged good things that its supporters are claiming it's been doing, then that opinion is pretty worthless. But people are always trying to make the specious claim that "all opinions are valid and worthy of respect." I argue that many opinions are bereft of any true rationale and are NOT necessarily worthy of respect. People are ENTITLED to them, but not necessarily to RESPECT for them. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #60 September 10, 2004 Quoteyup when i decide to use them... Sorta like commas, then? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #61 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteyup when i decide to use them... Sorta like commas, then? He's still using "quotes" on occasion. I wonder when the 'net will evolve to the point of no longer requiring use of those. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #62 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteDon't you see that an "opinon" that claims to be observing factual data is no longer truly an opinion? an opinion NOT based on observation is simply ignorant. I am thinking of things like the assault weapons ban (on my mind a lot lately -- sorreeee): If someone has an "opinion" on it that is not based in fact, it's ignorant, right? (You just said so.) no what i said was if you form an opinion without observational basis, no evidence at all, ‘fact’ or not is subject to dispute there is a difference between an observation and a fact. an opinion formed without data (observation) is ignorant. A far different thing from the way you are trying to frame it. "the assault weapon ban is good. why? Because it saves lives." Really? what evidence do you have to support this? “uh none...but I’ve been told…..” "the assault weapon ban is bad.” why? “Because it is based on items immaterial to the function of the weapons" really what basis do you have for saying that? “I checked the specs and the changes it mandates do they do not affect the function of the weapon.” one opinion is based on observed evidence, the other opinion is based on a desired effect, without any backing observations. One is ignorant the other is informed. Your second example is just as ignorant as the first without observation and evidence to support it. All opinions should be respected, as they are an expression of the belief of that individual and so deserve the same respect the individual gets. However all opinions are not informed.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #63 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteyup when i decide to use them... Sorta like commas, then? He's still using "quotes" on occasion. I wonder when the 'net will evolve to the point of no longer requiring use of those. care to tell me when/how quotes are/should be used in an internet conversation? what are the conventions of their use in this medium?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #64 September 10, 2004 Quote"the assault weapon ban is bad.” why? “Because it is based on items immaterial to the function of the weapons" really what basis do you have for saying that? “I checked the specs and the changes it mandates do they do not affect the function of the weapon.” What I'm saying is that if a person feels the ban is bad because of the reasons stated above, that research and knowledge upon which the opinion is based removes it from the realm of opinion and places it into more of a factual debate area. Once an opinion is based on solid, measurable fact (statistical analyses, crime rates, actual intent and ability of the law to materially effect what it sets out to effect, etc.) it really is no longer "opinion." If an "opinion" is so solidly based upon studied fact, it is simply "a correct and logical position," not an "opinion." "Blue is the best color there is," is an opinion. "The 'Assault Weapons Ban' is a worthless law from the standpoint of making society safe from gun violence" is not an opinion. It can be researched, debated, explicated, and found to be TRUE in an objective sense! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #65 September 10, 2004 it is still an opinion, because you can argue over relative values, it is however an informed opinon____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #66 September 10, 2004 Quotecare to tell me when/how quotes are/should be used in an internet conversation? I don't know. Now you got me a-scared, 'cause any opinion I put forth will surely lack enough observational basis to not be considered anything but ignorant. But what the hell, let me proceed with reckless abandonment! It is my opinion that omitting capitals, commas, and normal paragraph structure when writing in an internet forum (or anywhere else) represents a distinct DE-evolution of communication. Not that anyone's paying us for perfect polished copy, mind you. But although the lack of capitals and commas might be conveient to the lazy writer, I believe the extra effort to make use of them represents a kindness towards the reader. You see, proper punctuation simply makes the copy easier to read. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #67 September 10, 2004 QuoteDo you have any idea how many illegal alien laborers it takes to clean a glass parking lot? Now THERE's an example of a person without a sense of humor . Whose side are you on anyway? Damn outliers always confusing the issue.... Peace! linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #68 September 10, 2004 QuoteI suspect that's probably because most of the sarcasm-spewers (that "humor" you think you are reading is really sarcasm, hon. It's the trademark of the intellectually-bankrupt leftist. So, what you're saying is sarcasm isn't funny. OK. I stand by my assertion. You are manifesting a lack of a sense of humor. Sarcasm is OFTEN used as a humor device, and in this case, it was extremely funny. Sorry you took it so personally. Sounds like someone needs to get over themselves. You think you can do that, HON?Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #69 September 10, 2004 QuoteI stand by my assertion. You are manifesting a lack of a sense of humor. Sarcasm is OFTEN used as a humor device, and in this case, it was extremely funny. Sorry you took it so personally. Sounds like someone needs to get over themselves. You think you can do that, HON? I'll try it and let you know, SWEETIE-PIE! Now who's taking herself too seriously? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #70 September 14, 2004 QuoteThe people championing the Kerry monster often seem much more civil and thoughtful than the people championing the Bush monster. To me it seems you don't read enough. It seems to me that the Kerry Camp makes up lies all the time. (Bush went AWOL?...How did he get an Honorable discharge?)"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #71 September 14, 2004 >Bush went AWOL?...How did he get an Honorable discharge? No more absurd than Kerry was a war criminal and lousy soldier who got glowing reviews and was awarded half a dozen medals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #72 September 14, 2004 QuoteNo more absurd than Kerry was a war criminal and lousy soldier who got glowing reviews and was awarded half a dozen medals. Kery himself said he was a War Criminal. I am just repeating what he said...Who would know more about what a person did? Them or anyone else? If Bush said he was AWOL, then I would agree...But he didn't say that, and no one has proven he was. All you have seen is a few possibly forged documents. Kerry himself said he was a war criminal....In front of congress no less. I have never said he was a lousy soldier, and I have not questioned his medals. The Navy however IS questioning his medals, and his own peers are saying that he was lousy soldier."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
