scottbre 0 #1 September 9, 2004 Let's here'em... "Your mother's full of stupidjuice!" My Art Project Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabr190 0 #2 September 9, 2004 QuoteLet's here'em... Are you just trying to start shit "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #3 September 9, 2004 http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.mvThis ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #4 September 9, 2004 Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. --Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #5 September 9, 2004 I'll play. I personally consider myself an agnostic. To me there is absolutely no proof Jesus existed. None whatsoever. Not to mention the bible itself is chalked full of flip flops. Reminds me of the Kerry campaign. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #6 September 9, 2004 "God is an imaginary friend for grownups" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #7 September 9, 2004 Jesus existed. I have no doubts about that. I'm sure he was a very intelligent, very charismatic person, like Hitler. But unlike Hitler, he had good ideas, and wanted others to follow hime. The Church however has taken his teachings and (ab)used them for their benefit. I have absolutely no problem with Jesus or his teachings. The Church however I have absolutely no respect for.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #8 September 9, 2004 Jesus is mentioned in the writings of historian Flavius Josephus. He mentioned his existence, not his divinity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #9 September 9, 2004 Beer, proof enough for me..... there's definately a God.RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #10 September 9, 2004 QuoteBeer, proof enough for me..... there's definately a God. I thought that was pus...never mind. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 September 9, 2004 Quote I personally consider myself an agnostic. To me there is absolutely no proof Jesus existed. None whatsoever. There's a lot to say that Jesus existed. The part about the resurrection and being the son of God is a different matter entirely. I think you have to be a person of faith for that. Most folklore is based on actual events and evolves from there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #12 September 9, 2004 "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin Yay, ! Yay, God! _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #13 September 9, 2004 hell..........I thought it was Homer Simpson that said that.... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #14 September 9, 2004 QuoteThere's a lot to say that Jesus existed. Oh I agree 100% Unfortunately, the key word in your comment is say. Talk is cheap. Rumors are started very easily. People are misguided and often say lies to support their beliefs. Hell, look at politics. If you listened to everything the liberals say they would have you believe Bush is the second coming of Satan. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #15 September 9, 2004 If you listened to everything the liberals say they would have you believe Bush is the second coming of Satan*** He's not??? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #16 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere's a lot to say that Jesus existed. Oh I agree 100% Unfortunately, the key word in your comment is say. Talk is cheap. Rumors are started very easily. People are misguided and often say lies to support their beliefs. Hell, look at politics. If you listened to everything the liberals say they would have you believe Bush is the second coming of Satan. Do you believe that Shakespeare actually existed? How do you know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #17 September 9, 2004 QuoteLet's here'em... I subscribe to a spritual theory put forth by C.S. Lewis, which attempts (successfully, imo) to reconcile the humanist scientific view of reality with divine order. It went something like this (I'm paraphrasing, not quoting): Lewis stated that the laws of physics are known, quantified and measurable values in our existence; exempli gratia - that the immutable laws of conservation of energy state that matter can be neither created nor destroyed, only converted, exchanged or transferred, such as when the energy contained in fossil fuels is converted into power. The stuff that made it up hasn't been annihilated, it's just been converted from one thing (complex hydrocarbons) into another (heat, simpler hydrocarbons [id est, exhaust], mechanical motion, etc.). Yet the stuff that originally made it remains, albeit in a different state. Lewis went on to remark that humans are comprised of much the same material, and act as both producers and consumers of energy, running at about 120W per person, which is quite a bit of electrical power, when one stops to consider it. Anyway, when the vehicle which converts and sustains that energy has gone, that energy, as recognized and acknowledged in the common laws of physics, must go somewhere. In Lewis' opinion, it is this "somewhere", or the conversion process, which forms the backbone of mankind's quest for spiritual meaning. This theory neither acknowledges nor dismisses the nature of the Divine. IMO, it frankly embraces and sustains the diversity of spiritual beliefs that exist around the world; id est, that a logical conclusion is arrived at by scientific method. However, because it encounters the end of the human capacity to rationalize and/or quantify, the concept by its very nature defies rational thought, even though the conclusion is arrived at by rational means, and through various philosophical and spiritual systems throughout Man's time on Earth. Pretty profound, huh? It is my opinion that atheists, in their zeal to supress any expressions of spirituality in this endeavor, overlook this simple concept. mh . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere's a lot to say that Jesus existed. Oh I agree 100% Unfortunately, the key word in your comment is say. Talk is cheap. Rumors are started very easily. People are misguided and often say lies to support their beliefs. Yet rumors and talk rarely survives 2000 years without some basis in fact. I don't believe there is a divine god, but I do believe Jesus lived. But you're not going to find great proof since recorded history took a beating in the middle ages. You couldn't even say the earth revolved around the Sun without losing your head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #19 September 9, 2004 C.S Lewis is a great writer and a very complex philosopher... where he loses me everytime is when he shifts from theorizing about the nature of God to asserting that the christian path is the only correct one... in that transition he goes from a logical analysis to pure faith.... which is the basis for alot of peoples belief...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #20 September 9, 2004 Just show me proof. Any evidence at all? None? Just one piece of proof? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #21 September 9, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteThere's a lot to say that Jesus existed. Oh I agree 100% Unfortunately, the key word in your comment is say. Talk is cheap. Rumors are started very easily. People are misguided and often say lies to support their beliefs. Yet rumors and talk rarely survives 2000 years without some basis in fact. Rumors persist because of people's willingness to believe and spread them, not because of any basis in fact.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #22 September 9, 2004 To quote the WORD of God, the Holy Bible, Psalm 14:1 and 53:1 says " The FOOL hath said in his heart there is no God." I would say that statement is one of the most accurate ever made. If the shoe fits...wear it Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #23 September 9, 2004 Do you, Bill, have any proof or evidence? Anything concrete? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #24 September 9, 2004 as a matter of fact YES, but I cannot put a 400 page manuscript on DZ.com for people who mock God. and thats a fact. Bill Cole PS: It would blow what little mind you have if you knew WHAT I have. And that is a fact too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #25 September 9, 2004 Forget 400. Just tell us 1. Give me one, undisputable, hardcore, concrete piece of evidence. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
