Casurf1978 0 #26 September 9, 2004 QuoteJust show me proof. Any evidence at all? None? Just one piece of proof? You cant look back 2000 plus years and say "show me proof." Look at the Roman world around the time of his death. 1. Jesus was not an important figure back then, sorry Christians he wasnt. He was not a Roman senator, nor a great general, so why write about him 2. Look at the way he was executed, like a common criminal, why write about a person who's executed like that. 4. He associated with the 'wrong' classes back then. Who wants to know about a poor Palestinian Jew. For historians of that era Jesus was just a 'speck' on the radar, not even worth mentioning. Dont take this as an attack on Christians, or Jesus. I'm just saying back then he was not important enough to write about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #27 September 9, 2004 actually most of us arent mocking God so much as we mock man's ignorant assertions about him....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #28 September 10, 2004 Quoteas a matter of fact YES, but I cannot put a 400 page manuscript on DZ.com for people who mock God. and thats a fact. Bill Cole PS: It would blow what little mind you have if you knew WHAT I have. And that is a fact too. I never mocked god one time, you just tell him I was just teasin. I would tell him myself, but he never says anything back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #29 September 10, 2004 My argument for.... I AM God. And you all better stop mocking me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymick 0 #30 September 10, 2004 QuoteForget 400. Just tell us 1. Give me one, undisputable, hardcore, concrete piece of evidence. dont worry about chuteless he just loves tell how 'non-believers' are going straight to hell rather then actually try to prove his point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #31 September 10, 2004 I believe that "God" is an invention of man used to control other men. It has been long proven to be a very effective tool. Most people feel that they must have something to believe in. They have to have something that explains why and how we came to be here. "God" supplies those answers. There doesn't need to be any proof of any kind just faith. If makes people feel good to know all they have to do is certain specific things and every thing will be all right. Kind of like a security blanket. Me personally I don't have that need. I don't believe in any god at all. But I also don't believe in evolution. For me there just isn't enough information to determine how we were created. I don't pretend to have any answers and I am comfortable with not having all the answers as many religions profess to have. I do have a strong dislike for Christianity. Over all they are arrogant and intolerant of anyone else's beliefs. That includes Muslims. They think every one is wrong and they are right and do their best to try to convert everyone they meet. I just try to live my life with honor and dignity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #32 September 10, 2004 QuoteI believe that "God" is an invention of man used to control other men. It has been long proven to be a very effective tool. Most people feel that they must have something to believe in. They have to have something that explains why and how we came to be here. "God" supplies those answers. There doesn't need to be any proof of any kind just faith. If makes people feel good to know all they have to do is certain specific things and every thing will be all right. Kind of like a security blanket. Me personally I don't have that need. I don't believe in any god at all. But I also don't believe in evolution. For me there just isn't enough information to determine how we were created. I don't pretend to have any answers and I am comfortable with not having all the answers as many religions profess to have. I do have a strong dislike for Christianity. Over all they are arrogant and intolerant of anyone else's beliefs. That includes Muslims. They think every one is wrong and they are right and do their best to try to convert everyone they meet. I just try to live my life with honor and dignity. Much more of a Shinto approach, then. Reality isn't real. mh . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #33 September 10, 2004 yeah I have found that I do agree with some of the eastern philosophy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #34 September 10, 2004 Nah... its in a Bible code Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #35 September 10, 2004 the question that ends this conversation every time I have it with someone.. "Where then, did God come from?" no one knows, no theories, not stories true or false, nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #36 September 10, 2004 first cause has no origin... where did the energy for the universe come from before the universe existed?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #37 September 10, 2004 If God doesn't exist, then what is the purpose of life? Sarah Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #38 September 10, 2004 Quoteactually most of us arent mocking God so much as we mock man's ignorant assertions about him.... Does everything you can't digest properly amount to "ignorance"? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #39 September 10, 2004 no. but assertions without evidence certainly do, and mankind has a bad habit of doing that quite often...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #40 September 10, 2004 Quoteno. but assertions without evidence certainly do, and mankind has a bad habit of doing that quite often... Must the evidence you speak of have physical properties, like fingerprints or DNA? Or -- could viable evidence consist of a series of human behaviors instead. --- Edit for clarity. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #41 September 10, 2004 Evidence certainly comes in a variety of forms, however real verifiable evidence can be shown and repeatedly demonstrated by anyone to anyone...it isn’t the sole purview of a single religion or culture. the problem with 'intangibles' is they are subject to the interpretation of every individual..as an experience it certainly has value to the individual. As 'proof' of the nature or existance of God.......____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #42 September 10, 2004 Quote dont worry about chuteless he just loves tell how 'non-believers' are going straight to hell rather then actually try to prove his point Even if true, he's a nice enough guy. Just not an optimist. Bill, I hope those fears of the apocalypse doesn't keep you from enjoying however much time we do have left. Tuna - don't look for me to prove to you that Jesus existed. I'm an atheist - I don't care too much one way or the other. But the notion that he was entirely fabricated is harder to believe than that his life on earth was embellished a bit. And miracles still happen - at least that's what you call unexplained events. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #43 September 10, 2004 There is a Roman historian, Flavius Josephus. He wrote the "Antiquities of the Jews". He grew up a Jew, was a Pharisee, fought against the Romans, was imprisoned, became a Roman citizen. He is respected as a historian of the era. He mentioned the existence of Jesus twice. Also his brother James. He does not make religious assertions/arguments about Jesus, but he does not his existence. That would be the best example of any "proof" of anything that occured during that time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #44 September 10, 2004 "Arguments for (or against) the existence of God" To the non believer, no explanation is possible, to the believer, no explanation is necessary. Its all about faith or the lack of it. I preach tolerance of difference. There's room for us all on this earth, if not in heaven.....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #45 September 10, 2004 Sent to me by a coworker: QuoteTOP TEN SIGNS THAT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN. 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Dueteronomy" including women, children, and "everything alive that breathes"! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man- god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving." 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian. Personally, I think there is some sort of a god out there. I can't prove it. Since we can't even grasp all of the complexities of our own world (let's not even get into the universe...), I don't understand how people can grasp a god.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #46 September 10, 2004 I do believe that Jesus existed in the sense of a historical figure. I do not believe he was the son of God. I think that all organized religions have committed infinite atrocities in the name of God, and I can't believe that if God exists all the evil done in his name is appreciated. I can't stand when people who don't know shit about me try to convert me to Christianity (for all they know, I'm already Christian). I believe far more in eastern/Buddhist philosophy, teachings of more internal than external quests for truth and growth. I believe in mother nature or some more earthy form of sentience. I also believe that religion or philosophy can not be proven nor disproven, only guessed at. I do not believe that 'what is the purpose of life if there is no God' is a valid question. Who ever said that life had a purpose at all? It's also a pretty humanocentric view since it discounts non-human life forms. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #47 September 10, 2004 These TOP TEN SIGNS are exactly the reason I don't participate. I believe that GOD is simply a name humans have created to explain the unexplainable, the fact is that GOD is no more explainable than the scientific lack of theory. It is common to put a NAME to something we don't understand, something we fear.. (take naming hurrican's for example), it personalizes things. Governments/groups have learned to exploit the people's beliefs in the 'unexplainable' and inserted a variety of contradictory rules in effort to 'steer the masses toward a common goal'. Mostly it works well, it is not right or wrong, it just is. But the idea that a single 'mentality, or being' is in charge of or controlling or created anything, I just don't buy it. I believe in the afterlife, ghosts/spirits (bad & good) , magic, & supernatural power(well developed potential that all humans have but are too blind to see & use) and I believe in re-incarnation. Life does not end when we die, only the body does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #48 September 10, 2004 QuoteHe mentioned the existence of Jesus twice. Chuteless mentioned Jesus a few times. Does that therefor mean he exists? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #49 September 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteHe mentioned the existence of Jesus twice. Chuteless mentioned Jesus a few times. Does that therefor mean he exists? If Chuteless was a well-recognized, credible historian of the first century, yes. Josephus was. You asked for an credible source, you have one. Personally, I don't recognize the divinity of anyone, but I recognize the existence of them if facts dictate it. Feel free to reject any facts that disagree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #50 September 10, 2004 QuoteIf Chuteless was a well-recognized, credible historian So only well-recognized, credible historians can verify the existance of someone/something? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
