pajarito 0 #151 September 14, 2004 QuoteWe'll play some more. See if you can do better than Billvon. Answer either of these for me. 1. What hour was Jesus crucified? 2. How did Judas die? The tactic you're playing is a common but very unproductive one. Sling several one-liners around with some quick responses to each in order to prove a point. Like I said before, Christianity isn't that simple. Nothing "real" ever is. If there's a stated difficulty in understanding, I like to drill it down as far as I can in order to find resolution. If you can't take it apart and put it back together again in your mind, I don't feel like it's worth much. If you just don't want to discuss what we started before, that's one thing. I don't think anything was accomplished, however, and that's a shame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #152 September 14, 2004 I'll answer for you since you're not sure. QuoteWhat hour was Jesus crucified? "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him." Mk.15:25 But wait. Look over at Jn.19:14-16 and you'll see it says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. Hmmmm. Interesting. Let's try one more, shall we? Quote How did Judas die? "And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself." Mt.27:5 Ok, easy enough. But wait. What's that over there under Acts 1:18? Let's check it out and see what it has to say. " Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." Oopsie. More contradictions. Damn. Hate when that happens. Want some more? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #153 September 14, 2004 QuoteI'll answer for you since you're not sure. I'm not sure of anything until I've examined it completely. How about I give you a detailed explanation tomorrow for this one. What do you say about finishing what we started before? Why not read from whatever bible you're looking at and type exactly what you see with regards to Gen 1:20-21. I did. I'd really like to know where you're getting that from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #154 September 14, 2004 QuoteI'd really like to know where you're getting that from. Same bible you are. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #155 September 14, 2004 QuoteHow about I give you a detailed explanation tomorrow for this one. Absolutely. Take your time. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #156 September 14, 2004 QuoteSame bible you are. Dude...I'm pretty gullible most of the time. Are you just f$&%@&g with me or what??? If you were looking at the same bible as me, we'd be saying the same thing. We're not. You said that you're quoting from KJ. I take that to mean King James. I quoted from both the King James Version as well as the New King James Version. Neither say that all animals came from the sea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #157 September 14, 2004 QuoteDude...I'm pretty gullible most of the time. Are you just f$&%@&g with me or what??? Ding Ding Ding! Give the man a cigar. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #158 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteDude...I'm pretty gullible most of the time. Are you just f$&%@&g with me or what??? Ding Ding Ding! Give the man a cigar. No....are you serious? Ahhhhhhhhhh!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #159 September 14, 2004 QuoteNeither say that all animals came from the sea. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. How's that? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #160 September 14, 2004 Quote20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. How's that? Well...it would be ok if you'd give me a version so I could confirm. What does it say on the spine of your book? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #161 September 14, 2004 QuoteWell...it would be ok if you'd give me a version so I could confirm. How about this. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #162 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell...it would be ok if you'd give me a version so I could confirm. How about this. Ok. Your link takes me to a Revised Standard Version of the bible on www.bible.com. I copied and pasted exactly what your linked version says in reference to Gen 1:20-21. It’s certainly not KJ (King James) like you said and it also doesn’t say what you typed. Revised Standard Version 20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. What you typed 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #163 September 14, 2004 QuoteIt’s certainly not KJ (King James Try again. It sure is. Click the link again. See on the left of the text? Look under translation. It says King James Version. Doesn't get more clear than that. You can view many different versions of the bible for bible.com. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #164 September 14, 2004 I believe that alot of people in here and on this earth are going to rue the day they mocked God. Try listening to The Bible narrated by James Earl Jones. Reading the bible is one thing.. Hearing it is entirely another. Many things I read didn't make sense. But listening to it did. Proof you ask? The eitire Bible HAPPENED. Pick it up and read it. The Bible IS THE TRUTH. It is written history. The great thing about God is he gave us free will. You are free to believe what you wish.. You are free to behave how you like.. Each and every one of you will some day pay the consequences for the life you are living now. Myself included. Their is a horrible consequence for not being saved. I have said this before in here.. I would rather have faith "In what for some reason I know is the truth" than not to have faith and be wrong. Imagine it... You get 80 years plus or minus a little... But you get eternity in hell or in heaven... You don't have to be a robot for goodness sake.. You just have to be saved and follow some pretty simple rules.. Deny God if you will... When you stand at the gates he will deny you... No amount of excuses, rationalization or sarcasm will save you at that point... I will say a prayer for each and every one of you.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #165 September 14, 2004 QuoteProof you ask? The eitire Bible HAPPENED. Have proof? QuoteIt is written history. So is 'Green Eggs and Ham'. QuoteYou don't have to be a robot for goodness sake But a sheep, yes. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #166 September 14, 2004 Ok…my bad. I see it now. So where’s the contradiction? Below is your quote, 20-21, and the remainder up until 25 just to keep it in context. King James Version 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #167 September 14, 2004 I'll say an extra prayer for you.. You are going to need it.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #168 September 14, 2004 QuoteI quoted from both the King James Version as well as the New King James Version. Neither say that all animals came from the sea. So where’s the contradiction? *** King James Version 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Right there. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #169 September 14, 2004 QuoteI'll say an extra prayer for you.. You are going to need it.. Thanks. Appreciate it. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #170 September 14, 2004 QuoteKing James Version 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Right there. As with anything Tuna, context is everything. Even with the creative style (somewhat "over the top" IMO) of the KJV, it still means the same as all the rest. Within the context of this section, it is obviously talking about oceanic life. The paragraph that comes right after this talks about creating the land creatures. This really shouldn't be much of a problem to the average person. See my quote of verses 20-25 above. No contradiction. Just misunderstanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #171 September 14, 2004 Quoteit is obviously talking about oceanic life. No, not obvious. Quite the opposite. It says specifically, "every living creature." Not sure where you come from but around here "every living creature" means just that. Doesn't mean only aquatic life. Means ALL LIVING CREATURES which last I checked, land animals were considered living creatures. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #172 September 14, 2004 QuoteI believe that alot of people in here and on this earth are going to rue the day they mocked God. Try listening to The Bible narrated by James Earl Jones. Reading the bible is one thing.. Hearing it is entirely another. Many things I read didn't make sense. But listening to it did. Proof you ask? The eitire Bible HAPPENED. Pick it up and read it. The Bible IS THE TRUTH. It is written history. um no, its not, it is literature, but it is NOT history.. you may believe it to be true, but that does not make it so... emotional reading by great actors doesn’t change that fact at all... Hell, James Earl Jones makes the yellow pages sound good. keep your prayers, well wishes are nice, but "save their heathen souls" ROTFLMAO.. my soul is in no jeopardy, I have never been separated from God and I never will be, I have no Sin that needs a blood sacrifice to be cleansed. If it takes fear and guilt to motivate you to become a better person?? that in and of itself is truly sad.... but perhaps the ends do justify the means, you chose the means that motivate you, but they do not apply to anyone other than yourself, no matter how often you assert it, or how many times you claim "MY MYTHS ARE TRUTH!!!" and attempt to force your version of truth on the rest of the world... how little you know and how much you condemn.....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #173 September 14, 2004 QuoteNo, not obvious. Quite the opposite. It says specifically, "every living creature." Are you just ignoring verses 22-25? They're pretty important in regard to context. You would agree that context is important, right? Why would what comes after 20-21 (specifically 22-25) need to be written if it was all inclusive? QuoteNot sure where you come from but around here "every living creature" means just that. Doesn't mean only aquatic life. Means ALL LIVING CREATURES which last I checked, land animals were considered living creatures. Probably not in ancient Greek, though. Their way of thinking, writing, speaking was probably a bit different from "where you're from." By the way, I'm originally from Auburn, Alabama but I currently live in LaGrange, Georgia. We probably don't think, write, or speak like the ancient Greeks either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #174 September 14, 2004 Quoteum no, its not, it is literature, but it is NOT history.. you may believe it to be true, but that does not make it so... You may not believe it to be true, but that doesn't make it so. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #175 September 14, 2004 Spin it how you want but ALL LIVING CREATURES has only one meaning. Bottom line - The bible is chalked full of contradictions. I can show you them all day long but I can't make a blind man see. Period. I respect your devotion to something. That's great. No disrespect whatsoever. But if you are going to argue that "all living creatures" doesn't include land animals then there's no use in continuing a debate. It's clear you see what you want. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
