tunaplanet 0 #1 September 9, 2004 Pretty interesting. Read it here. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #2 September 9, 2004 Oh Kallend: QuoteThe 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #3 September 9, 2004 Key word being "may". Too early to tell if this will turn out to be true or false. Should be interesting to see nonetheless.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #4 September 9, 2004 QuoteOh Kallend: QuoteThe 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts. Well, "may have been" is not "were". The White House spokesman did not challenge their authenticity. Maybe the documents are as bogus as the Swift Boat Veterans ads. We'll see. I'm willing to wait until the investigation is complete and it is verified.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 September 9, 2004 Wouldn't be suprised. Took a truth in journalism class way back when. Don't remember the specifics about the story, but we were shown some news magazine show, I believe it was 60 minutes, as it was aired, and then the same piece before it was edited. The editing made it look like the people being interviewed were saying the exact opposite of what they really were. Same tactics used by Moore and democrat propaganda machine, and same tactics used by RNC spin doctors. Politics as usual. Forging documents is taking it to a new level, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #6 September 9, 2004 Any more on this - Are the networks going to carry this or just fox?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #7 September 9, 2004 Do you really expect the liberal networks to talk about this? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #8 September 9, 2004 QuoteDo you really expect the liberal networks to talk about this? Yes, right after they come clean about the "assault weapons ban." Hold your breath; it's coming right up after these commercial messages. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 September 10, 2004 QuoteAny more on this - Are the networks going to carry this or just fox? Is fox even covering it? I don't see it. However UPI picked it up. http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040909-040052-8114r.htm But their source is the original article. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #10 September 10, 2004 QuoteWell, "may have been" is not "were". Hold on, the monkeys are poised to fly out of my ass. QuoteThe White House spokesman did not challenge their authenticity. Why would they? It just gives the dems more press. QuoteMaybe the documents are as bogus as the Swift Boat Veterans ads. Yeah, I'm sure the Swift Boat Veterans ads forged the video of Kerry. QuoteWe'll see. I'm willing to wait until the investigation is complete and it is verified. Well, I can tell you four things: 1. It's quite difficult to make an IBM selectrive I do superscript. 2. If you'll examine the documents, you'll see that the font alignment is laser exact. NEVER would an IBM selectric do that. 3. It wasn't SOP even when I got in to take the time to super/subscript anything not academic in the USAF. 4. Since someone created the exact same doument with Word 2003 and the same font (and I mean exactly), I'd find it hard to believe But, I'm really glad you have such an open mind about it all. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 September 10, 2004 QuoteYeah, I'm sure the Swift Boat Veterans ads forged the video of Kerry. And I'm sure Kerry forged the videos of a couple of those guys saying the exact opposite of what they're saying now 10 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #12 September 10, 2004 QuoteAnd I'm sure Kerry forged the videos of a couple of those guys saying the exact opposite of what they're saying now 10 years ago. Which ones? And are you the open minded guy who says they are being thoughtful? Oh right, that is just Kerry. Face it, Swift Boat guys have more people cooroberating their stories. Hell, Kitty Kelly can't even get quotes from Susan Bush right...and certainly has no one (except her invested publisher) supporting her. That slow rumbling you hear is the DNC imploding. It will continue for just under two more months. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #13 September 10, 2004 Here is another story. http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-bush10.html There may be a lot of people with egg on their face after this one. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 September 10, 2004 If the documents are forgeries, then how is it possible that you can call CBS 60 Minutes II the liars? Wouldn't the lie be that of the perpetrators of the forgery? I see this as exactly the same type of situation as was created by the yellow cake incident. A forgery given to one organization and retold by another. If you're not going to hold GWB responsible for the retelling of the yellow cake intel (and certainly that was much more serious both in its allegation and resulting actions), then I find it hypocritcal of anyone to hold CBS accountable for this. And, this has yet to be proven to be a forgery. (Oh, but wait, I think you guys stil claim that even though the yellow cake documents were forgeries . . . somehow the situation was still real. Hmmm, seems like it's still a very valid analogy.)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #15 September 10, 2004 True QUADE, I don't blame CBS Yet. There is no evidence as of now to say they "knew" anything. However, if evidence does come up.... they are screwed!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #16 September 10, 2004 THis is What CBS hast to say: QuoteCBS stood by its reporting. "As is standard practice at CBS News, the documents in the '60 Minutes' report were thoroughly examined and their authenticity vouched for by independent experts," CBS News said in a statement. "As importantly, '60 Minutes' also interviewed close associates of Colonel Jerry Killian. They confirm that the documents reflect his opinions and actions at the time." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131954,00.html I don't know.... CBS might take a hit for this if they are Forged... THey are trying to make a case that they did test the authenticity. Why do they even say "...the documents reflect his opinions and actions at the time." ? That make it look a bit suspicious to me ... Like saying, even if they aren't real, that is what he would have said!! Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 September 10, 2004 QuoteTrue QUADE, I don't blame CBS Yet. There is no evidence as of now to say they "knew" anything. However, if evidence does come up.... they are screwed!!!! It isn't the fault of CBS, although it does affect their credibility because they rushed the story on the air without properly checking it out. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt by those who support a floundering, flip flopping, Presidential Candidate, to try and get his poll numbers up by any means. This combined with the recent volly of personal atttacks on the President will have a severe backlash which is starting to pisss off the "undecideds". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #18 September 10, 2004 From NewsMax Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 September 10, 2004 QuoteFrom NewsMax Oohh nooooo we can't believe Newsmax, they are nothing but a Right-Wing Propoganda Machine. Lets wait to see what CBS has to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #20 September 10, 2004 QuoteAnd, this has yet to be proven to be a forgery. A paper slams Bush and it's the gospel but you require proof to disprove its authenticity? Close enough to proof? QuoteBouffard said the CBS documents appear to have been copied about 10 times in the state he saw them. Nevertheless, he states, "All the documents have been created on the same printer. And the proportional spacing and the common characteristics of numbers like 4 and 7 and letters like lower case c and upper case G are beyond the capabilities of any of the typewriter impact specimens I have in my collection. The centering of headings is also beyond the capabilities of any typewriter I know of." His conclusion: "It is remotely possible there is some typewriter that has the capability to do all this ... but it is more likely these documents were generated in the common Times New Roman font and printed out on a computer printer that did not exist at the time they were supposedly created." -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 September 10, 2004 QuoteWhich ones? And are you the open minded guy who says they are being thoughtful? Don't know his name, but one of the guys in the commercial introduced Kerry at some speaking engagement a few years ago and in the video I saw, praised Kerry and said he personally witnessed Kerry turning his boat into enemy fire to confront the enemy and saw him receive his wounds from enemy fire. Being thoughtful is changing your opinion on an issue, not telling two complete different accounts of an actual event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #22 September 10, 2004 QuoteBeing thoughtful is changing your opinion on an issue, not telling two complete different accounts of an actual event. Ah, so Kerry said he threw his medals over the fence, and then came back only after someone challenged him and said he threw someone else's medals over the fence, and then finally it was his ribbons he threw. We forced on all these flip flops, he said we routinely in the military refer to medals and ribbons as interchangeable. Well, I've been in for 5 times as long as he is, and we all know there is a significant distinction between ribbons and medals. My question is, is Kerry being thoughtful or telling two (or more) different accounts of an actual event? Remember, these aren't other people's takes, but his words from his mouth(s). BTW, all these audios have been aired on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity's shows. I could dig up links to them all if pressed. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #23 September 10, 2004 CBS just lost all credibility. They are at fault and should be held responsible. Maybe next time they will actually investiogate the next smear evidence they get instead of just running it blindly. It's called being responsible. I bet anyone a week's paycheck that Quade will flip the spotlight and slam Bush. Watch. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 September 10, 2004 Quote I bet anyone a week's paycheck that Quade will flip the spotlight and slam Bush. Watch. Pretty safe bet since I already did that a bit higher in the thread. Just so you don't have to go back. Seems kinda familiar . . . kinda like the yellow cake intel.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 September 10, 2004 I occasonally have to leave the unix world and use Word and it always pisses me off when it insists on capitalizing or subscripting for me when it thinks it knows what I'm doing. Much of the time it is quite wrong. If it turns out that this blew someone's forgery, HA HA! And if CBS is responsible for it, seems like a good time to retire Dan anyway. He already looked halfway in the grave in 2000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
