tunaplanet 0 #26 September 10, 2004 Yeah, Dan Rather is a complete joke. Him and his daughter are more biased than the Big 3 Liberal Posters we have on here. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #27 September 11, 2004 QuoteYeah, Dan Rather is a complete joke. Him and his daughter are more biased than the Big 3 Liberal Posters we have on here. They need a nickname like the axis off to the left. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #28 September 11, 2004 Here's something amusing as well. Dan Rather is continuing to run his hole saying that the story is true and they wouldn't have run it if they didn't think it was, blah blah blah blah... Here's a quote from Rather when asked if there would be an apology or retraction. "Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story, which I just gave you earlier." Now after that was spewed out by CBS's biased liberal puppet's mouth, CBS made a statement of their own. Seems they don't share the same confidence as their monkey does. Here's what they had to say. "The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday. CBS NEWS executives on Thursday launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service. Way to go, CBS. your political bias just made you the laughing stock of every network on the air. Good job! Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 September 11, 2004 Quote Way to go, CBS. your political bias just made you the laughing stock of every network on the air. Good job! Excuse me? How does this story show a liberal bias? If the documents are genuine and so far they have NOT been proven to be false, then it's a legitimate news story. By saying this story shows bias, you're implying that CBS would have been in a conspiracy with the alleged forgers. Or . . . does this "bad intel" stuff only work as an excuse if you start a war over it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #30 September 11, 2004 Experts have said virtually impossible. But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, Bill Gates modeled Word off of the same typewriter -- that does scalable type and superscripts -- as the one used to impugn President Bush. How long can you hold it out as legitimate? Longer than Dan Rather's career? The sky is falling, the sky is falling. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #31 September 11, 2004 QuoteExcuse me? How does this story show a liberal bias? When they got wind of the story they should have done proper investigation to make sure it was legit. That's their responsibility as a news orginization. Did they do that? Nope. What did they do? They saw visions of Bush losing the election because of a great scandal...a scandal CBS broke. They rushed the story...a story that looks to be a fake. QuoteOr . . . does this "bad intel" stuff only work as an excuse if you start a war over it? Not what this thread is about. Feel free to start one on that issue if you want though so we can debate it. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #32 September 11, 2004 QuoteExcuse me? How does this story show a liberal bias? Maybe by this statement made by Rather. "Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true..." By declaring it "true," objectivity goes right out the window. If the widow and son are stating it's not his writing (out of character), and some forensics experts are saying that it's a forged document, his insistence of it being true instead of saying "well, we now need to investigate further" (which would, imho, be a much larger draw to a future story....) would be intellectually unbiased and honest. I think it's simply that statement which shows a state of mind. And no, aside from the commentary above (which isn't about the veracity of the documents, just the reporter's intellectual honesty and apparent bias), I agree that your yellow cake analogy is a good one. And thus I can't blame CBS for airing it. I can point to bias, however. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #33 September 11, 2004 QuoteQuoteExcuse me? How does this story show a liberal bias? When they got wind of the story they should have done proper investigation to make sure it was legit. That's their responsibility as a news orginization. Did they do that? Nope. What did they do? They saw visions of Bush losing the election because of a great scandal...a scandal CBS broke. They rushed the story...a story that looks to be a fake.Quote HAVE to agree with you here... If it turns out to be true, it is about as journalistically irresponsible and inept as it could possibly be. If the situation were reversed, Michael Moron would make an entire movie out of it."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #34 September 11, 2004 Quote Not what this thread is about. Feel free to start one on that issue if you want though so we can debate it. We can debate it right here. It's a completely analogous situation. You are simply afraid that you can't defend your position because it would reveal you as a flip-flopper. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #35 September 11, 2004 QuoteYou are simply afraid that you can't defend your position because it would reveal you as a flip-flopper. Not at all. Start a thread concerning that specific topic and we'll debate it. See, the problem with debating liberals is that when cornered with a difficult question they grab that spotlight and flip it around on the person asking the tough questions. Not giving liberals that opportunity, ie making them stick with the thread topic, is like watching a fish flop around on land. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #36 September 11, 2004 QuoteWe can debate it right here. It's a completely analogous situation. Not even close. Information which in hindsight turns out to be inaccurate or takes longer to prove than expected is not fraudulent information which was so on its face. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #37 September 11, 2004 I have not paid close enough attention to this particular scandle because I a mn the anybody but Bush camp. But having been in the military I can tell you that every medal has a ribbon. Many, most, all awards have ribbons. And oh yeah there are a butt load of ribbons you can get too, He could quite easily have thrown ribbons over the fence and kept the medals and misspoken in interviews. What I find interesting about this debacle is that so far the GWB camp is not sisputing the document, they are only saying that he was honorably discharged. From a paper work stand point the two have nothing to do with each other. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,032 #38 September 11, 2004 "Bouffard, the Ohio document specialist, said that he had first dismissed the Bush documents because the letters and formatting of the memos did not match any of the 4,000 samples in his database. But Friday, Bouffard said that he had not considered the IBM Selectric Composer. Once he compared the memos to Selectric Composer samples, Bouffard said, his view shifted." So they forgot the IBM Selectric the single most popular typewriter of the 70's.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #39 September 11, 2004 QuoteCBS just lost all credibility. They are at fault and should be held responsible. Maybe next time they will actually investiogate the next smear evidence they get instead of just running it blindly. It's called being responsible. I bet anyone a week's paycheck that Quade will flip the spotlight and slam Bush. Watch. Here. I will do it. So evidence is a big deal right? Let's see...where have we seen the White House abuse evidence in the last four years to get what they want????_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #40 September 11, 2004 Quote See, the problem with debating liberals is that when cornered with a difficult question they grab that spotlight and flip it around on the person asking the tough questions. And conservatives come up with over-strong sweeping comments and really cool words like "sKerry" that somehow do nothing with keeping the focus on the issues. whatever. This is why politics are stupid - mostly finger pointing telling what the other side did wrong or won't do in an attempt not to talk about the issues. If you don't talk about your issues and hard stance you give the other side no ammo._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #41 September 12, 2004 I worked for IBM for 15 years, and repaired Selectric typewriters as part of that. I was not around back in the 70's doing that, but there were HUNDREDS of different models of the Selectric with different typefaces and special features, all customized to the uses that they were intended. The Canadian Military and Government had their own versions of the customized machines, that did cool things for them, and I am sure the US government and military had many similar requests and many special built machines and versions of the IBM machine and composers, all based on the similar Selectric mechanism. I do not remember seeing superscript on any of them, but that was a long time ago. I do remember features on the Canadian machines that allowed them to do many extraordinary things and I do remember that every department of the government accounts had customized models for various functions. IBM at that time was an industry giant and very much catered to those needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 September 12, 2004 link link link Things are worse and worse for See BS and Rather *tried to fix links*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,032 #43 September 12, 2004 Quotelink link Things are worse and worse for See BS and [url "www.ratherbiased.com">Rather 2 clickys not worky! The other is a right wing blog. So what?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #44 September 12, 2004 Fixed the links...sorry! Kallend, The liberal media aren't going to cover this because it's making See-BS and Rather (Wish I could superscript the "th") look really stupid. You're just gonna have to hold your nose and get the truth from a conservative site instead of the re-digested, pre-spun pap that normally comes from the MSM.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,032 #45 September 12, 2004 QuoteFixed the links...sorry! Kallend, The liberal media aren't going to cover this because it's making See-BS and Rather (Wish I could superscript the "th") look really stupid. You're just gonna have to hold your nose and get the truth from a conservative site instead of the re-digested, pre-spun pap that normally comes from the MSM. Maybe I'll scan and post a page from my PhD thesis. I typed it (myself) in 1970 on an electric typewriter (not as fancy as a Selectric, we didn't have those). It has nice superscripts, perfectly centered titles, and right-justified text. You young people seem to think anything done before 1985 was in the dark ages.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #46 September 12, 2004 QuoteYou young people seem to think anything done before 1985 was in the dark ages. Nope, don't think that at all... but I'm also not going to disregard good information just because it comes from a site that doesn't "lean my way". I take the information under advisement and look for supporting/contrary information on other sites.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,032 #47 September 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou young people seem to think anything done before 1985 was in the dark ages. Nope, don't think that at all... but I'm also not going to disregard good information just because it comes from a site that doesn't "lean my way". I take the information under advisement and look for supporting/contrary information on other sites. So what kind of guy in his 20s turns down the chance to go pilot a supersonic jet fighter in order to be a helper in a political campaign, anyway. Arnold had an apt description, I think.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jazzjumper 0 #48 September 12, 2004 QuoteI have not paid close enough attention to this particular scandle because I a mn the anybody but Bush camp. But having been in the military I can tell you that every medal has a ribbon. Many, most, all awards have ribbons. And oh yeah there are a butt load of ribbons you can get too, Good for you (being in the military.) Medals and ribbons are two separate things (I'm in the military as well.) Yes, medals do have an associated ribbon. But if you go back to the era and watch the protests, and watch the vets who threw their "medals" over the fence, the were indeed the medals (not ribbons.) QuoteHe could quite easily have thrown ribbons over the fence and kept the medals and misspoken in interviews. The point was that Kerry changed his story so many times, and then eventually rested on the fact that ribbons and medals are used interchangeably. Quote What I find interesting about this debacle is that so far the GWB camp is not sisputing the document, they are only saying that he was honorably discharged. From a paper work stand point the two have nothing to do with each other. Why would the White House give credence (and press) to an obvious forgery? It serves no purpose, other than to validate an accusation. They don't care, because they know the truth is coming out and damaging Kerry far more than the spurious allegations are hurting the Pres. It's amazing to me that people can run on the "anybody but Bush camp." You know, I don't agree with him on much of his social policy. But he is the right war-time leader. Since the democratics couldn't put together anything more than Kerry, then I'm easily in the Bush camp. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 333 #49 September 12, 2004 QuoteIt's amazing to me that people can run on the "anybody but Bush camp." You know, I don't agree with him on much of his social policy. But he is the right war-time leader. Since the democratics couldn't put together anything more than Kerry, then I'm easily in the Bush camp. But it's not war time -- I heard Bush declare a year ago that the war was over. Besides, the Iraq war (not the Afghan one) is one of his own making. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #50 September 13, 2004 Here is why I doubt the veracity of the memos aside from the whole superscript question. ~Jerry Killian's son Gary has questioned these documents. He says they didn't come from his family. ~The gentleman who was allegedly exerting pressure to "sugar coat", Walter B. Staudt, had left the service a year and a half prior to the date on these documents, as well. He retired on March 1, 1972, while the memo was dated August 23, 1973. ~Maj General Bobby Hodges now states he doesn't believe these documents are real. While he originally corroborated CBS's story, ~Only one person examined the documents prior to the story being aired. His name is Marcel Matley. He is a handwriting expert, not a forensic document examiner. No other experts have been allowed to examine the original documents. Furthermore, Matley has now backed away from his original position, stating he only concluded that the May 4, 1972 document was real, and not the other one. ~Jerry Killian, the memos author, is conveniently dead. The two signatures that have been seen are rather different from each other. One is purportedly "real," (or a known sample), while the other is apparently different on it's face. ~Kitty Kelly's upcoming book allegedly has the full memos included in the text.. This is the book she was paid $4,000,000 in advance to pen. ~Leslie Stahl (CBS's 60 Minutes) apologized for using a fake memo in 1997. The apology reads in part: "Last April, during a story about how easy it was for trucks carrying drugs to get through Customs at the Mexican border near San Diego, we showed a memo written by Customs District Director Rudy Camacho, which urged quick processing of trucks belonging to what had been described as a known drug smuggler. "But since our report, the Customs Service has concluded that memo was a forgery. In a letter to California Senator Dianne Feinstein, the commissioner says the Customs Internal Affairs Department thoroughly investigated the memo and concluded it was a hoax, and that neither District Director Camacho nor anyone else ever put out such a memo." ~CBS has stated that the sources are "unimpeachable," yet no source has stood up and said "yes, these are real, I found/gave them." CBS is also saying they don't have the originals. Because of CBS's history, the subsequent retractions, and the base data indicated above, I am pretty clear that these memos were written at some point in the recent past, and not in 1972 as claimed. Further, if these were true, I'd have to think that as vitriolic as Gore/Bush was in 2000, these would've surfaced earlier. Just my take after spending some time doing my homework. Ciels- Michele ~edited because I misspoke on one item.~ ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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quade 4 #34 September 11, 2004 Quote Not what this thread is about. Feel free to start one on that issue if you want though so we can debate it. We can debate it right here. It's a completely analogous situation. You are simply afraid that you can't defend your position because it would reveal you as a flip-flopper. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #35 September 11, 2004 QuoteYou are simply afraid that you can't defend your position because it would reveal you as a flip-flopper. Not at all. Start a thread concerning that specific topic and we'll debate it. See, the problem with debating liberals is that when cornered with a difficult question they grab that spotlight and flip it around on the person asking the tough questions. Not giving liberals that opportunity, ie making them stick with the thread topic, is like watching a fish flop around on land. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #36 September 11, 2004 QuoteWe can debate it right here. It's a completely analogous situation. Not even close. Information which in hindsight turns out to be inaccurate or takes longer to prove than expected is not fraudulent information which was so on its face. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #37 September 11, 2004 I have not paid close enough attention to this particular scandle because I a mn the anybody but Bush camp. But having been in the military I can tell you that every medal has a ribbon. Many, most, all awards have ribbons. And oh yeah there are a butt load of ribbons you can get too, He could quite easily have thrown ribbons over the fence and kept the medals and misspoken in interviews. What I find interesting about this debacle is that so far the GWB camp is not sisputing the document, they are only saying that he was honorably discharged. From a paper work stand point the two have nothing to do with each other. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #38 September 11, 2004 "Bouffard, the Ohio document specialist, said that he had first dismissed the Bush documents because the letters and formatting of the memos did not match any of the 4,000 samples in his database. But Friday, Bouffard said that he had not considered the IBM Selectric Composer. Once he compared the memos to Selectric Composer samples, Bouffard said, his view shifted." So they forgot the IBM Selectric the single most popular typewriter of the 70's.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #39 September 11, 2004 QuoteCBS just lost all credibility. They are at fault and should be held responsible. Maybe next time they will actually investiogate the next smear evidence they get instead of just running it blindly. It's called being responsible. I bet anyone a week's paycheck that Quade will flip the spotlight and slam Bush. Watch. Here. I will do it. So evidence is a big deal right? Let's see...where have we seen the White House abuse evidence in the last four years to get what they want????_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #40 September 11, 2004 Quote See, the problem with debating liberals is that when cornered with a difficult question they grab that spotlight and flip it around on the person asking the tough questions. And conservatives come up with over-strong sweeping comments and really cool words like "sKerry" that somehow do nothing with keeping the focus on the issues. whatever. This is why politics are stupid - mostly finger pointing telling what the other side did wrong or won't do in an attempt not to talk about the issues. If you don't talk about your issues and hard stance you give the other side no ammo._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #41 September 12, 2004 I worked for IBM for 15 years, and repaired Selectric typewriters as part of that. I was not around back in the 70's doing that, but there were HUNDREDS of different models of the Selectric with different typefaces and special features, all customized to the uses that they were intended. The Canadian Military and Government had their own versions of the customized machines, that did cool things for them, and I am sure the US government and military had many similar requests and many special built machines and versions of the IBM machine and composers, all based on the similar Selectric mechanism. I do not remember seeing superscript on any of them, but that was a long time ago. I do remember features on the Canadian machines that allowed them to do many extraordinary things and I do remember that every department of the government accounts had customized models for various functions. IBM at that time was an industry giant and very much catered to those needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 September 12, 2004 link link link Things are worse and worse for See BS and Rather *tried to fix links*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #43 September 12, 2004 Quotelink link Things are worse and worse for See BS and [url "www.ratherbiased.com">Rather 2 clickys not worky! The other is a right wing blog. So what?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 September 12, 2004 Fixed the links...sorry! Kallend, The liberal media aren't going to cover this because it's making See-BS and Rather (Wish I could superscript the "th") look really stupid. You're just gonna have to hold your nose and get the truth from a conservative site instead of the re-digested, pre-spun pap that normally comes from the MSM.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #45 September 12, 2004 QuoteFixed the links...sorry! Kallend, The liberal media aren't going to cover this because it's making See-BS and Rather (Wish I could superscript the "th") look really stupid. You're just gonna have to hold your nose and get the truth from a conservative site instead of the re-digested, pre-spun pap that normally comes from the MSM. Maybe I'll scan and post a page from my PhD thesis. I typed it (myself) in 1970 on an electric typewriter (not as fancy as a Selectric, we didn't have those). It has nice superscripts, perfectly centered titles, and right-justified text. You young people seem to think anything done before 1985 was in the dark ages.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 September 12, 2004 QuoteYou young people seem to think anything done before 1985 was in the dark ages. Nope, don't think that at all... but I'm also not going to disregard good information just because it comes from a site that doesn't "lean my way". I take the information under advisement and look for supporting/contrary information on other sites.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #47 September 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou young people seem to think anything done before 1985 was in the dark ages. Nope, don't think that at all... but I'm also not going to disregard good information just because it comes from a site that doesn't "lean my way". I take the information under advisement and look for supporting/contrary information on other sites. So what kind of guy in his 20s turns down the chance to go pilot a supersonic jet fighter in order to be a helper in a political campaign, anyway. Arnold had an apt description, I think.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #48 September 12, 2004 QuoteI have not paid close enough attention to this particular scandle because I a mn the anybody but Bush camp. But having been in the military I can tell you that every medal has a ribbon. Many, most, all awards have ribbons. And oh yeah there are a butt load of ribbons you can get too, Good for you (being in the military.) Medals and ribbons are two separate things (I'm in the military as well.) Yes, medals do have an associated ribbon. But if you go back to the era and watch the protests, and watch the vets who threw their "medals" over the fence, the were indeed the medals (not ribbons.) QuoteHe could quite easily have thrown ribbons over the fence and kept the medals and misspoken in interviews. The point was that Kerry changed his story so many times, and then eventually rested on the fact that ribbons and medals are used interchangeably. Quote What I find interesting about this debacle is that so far the GWB camp is not sisputing the document, they are only saying that he was honorably discharged. From a paper work stand point the two have nothing to do with each other. Why would the White House give credence (and press) to an obvious forgery? It serves no purpose, other than to validate an accusation. They don't care, because they know the truth is coming out and damaging Kerry far more than the spurious allegations are hurting the Pres. It's amazing to me that people can run on the "anybody but Bush camp." You know, I don't agree with him on much of his social policy. But he is the right war-time leader. Since the democratics couldn't put together anything more than Kerry, then I'm easily in the Bush camp. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #49 September 12, 2004 QuoteIt's amazing to me that people can run on the "anybody but Bush camp." You know, I don't agree with him on much of his social policy. But he is the right war-time leader. Since the democratics couldn't put together anything more than Kerry, then I'm easily in the Bush camp. But it's not war time -- I heard Bush declare a year ago that the war was over. Besides, the Iraq war (not the Afghan one) is one of his own making. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #50 September 13, 2004 Here is why I doubt the veracity of the memos aside from the whole superscript question. ~Jerry Killian's son Gary has questioned these documents. He says they didn't come from his family. ~The gentleman who was allegedly exerting pressure to "sugar coat", Walter B. Staudt, had left the service a year and a half prior to the date on these documents, as well. He retired on March 1, 1972, while the memo was dated August 23, 1973. ~Maj General Bobby Hodges now states he doesn't believe these documents are real. While he originally corroborated CBS's story, ~Only one person examined the documents prior to the story being aired. His name is Marcel Matley. He is a handwriting expert, not a forensic document examiner. No other experts have been allowed to examine the original documents. Furthermore, Matley has now backed away from his original position, stating he only concluded that the May 4, 1972 document was real, and not the other one. ~Jerry Killian, the memos author, is conveniently dead. The two signatures that have been seen are rather different from each other. One is purportedly "real," (or a known sample), while the other is apparently different on it's face. ~Kitty Kelly's upcoming book allegedly has the full memos included in the text.. This is the book she was paid $4,000,000 in advance to pen. ~Leslie Stahl (CBS's 60 Minutes) apologized for using a fake memo in 1997. The apology reads in part: "Last April, during a story about how easy it was for trucks carrying drugs to get through Customs at the Mexican border near San Diego, we showed a memo written by Customs District Director Rudy Camacho, which urged quick processing of trucks belonging to what had been described as a known drug smuggler. "But since our report, the Customs Service has concluded that memo was a forgery. In a letter to California Senator Dianne Feinstein, the commissioner says the Customs Internal Affairs Department thoroughly investigated the memo and concluded it was a hoax, and that neither District Director Camacho nor anyone else ever put out such a memo." ~CBS has stated that the sources are "unimpeachable," yet no source has stood up and said "yes, these are real, I found/gave them." CBS is also saying they don't have the originals. Because of CBS's history, the subsequent retractions, and the base data indicated above, I am pretty clear that these memos were written at some point in the recent past, and not in 1972 as claimed. Further, if these were true, I'd have to think that as vitriolic as Gore/Bush was in 2000, these would've surfaced earlier. Just my take after spending some time doing my homework. Ciels- Michele ~edited because I misspoke on one item.~ ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
