jazzjumper 0 #1 September 13, 2004 How can a guy with a such a stellar war and Senate record like Kerry lose to an incumbant President during a time of illegitimate (yeah, right) war? Easy, he opens his mouth. Kerry: I'll 'Take on the Terrorists' with Gun Control Who needs to make crap up with a candidate like this? Edited to add: When Kerry posts the text of this speech on his website, I'll post the link here for verification. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #2 September 13, 2004 How separated from reality can one person be? It appears that Kerry knows no bounds in this area. What a complete jackass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #3 September 13, 2004 Uhhh, call me nutty, but isn't the source a little biased? Still, if true and reported in context; it has to be one of the DUMBER things the man has said. I say it over and over again; the Dems have money, can't they hire a few decent strategists and consultants? BTW, DO NOT FOLLOW ANY OF THE LINKS OFF OF THE PAGE, YOU GET A BUNCH OF POP-UPS, ONE OF WHICH ATTEMPTS TO INSTALL A TOOLBAR (AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE)..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #4 September 13, 2004 QuoteUhhh, call me nutty, but isn't the source a little biased? Still, if true and reported in context; it has to be one of the DUMBER things the man has said. I say it over and over again; the Dems have money, can't they hire a few decent strategists and consultants? Yes, Newsmax is conservative. However, their stories are pretty rock solid. I'll look for a full text of the speech and try to post it out here. See, that is my point. This guy has never sponsored no co-sponsored any major legislation (the function of a Senator.) So it's because: 1. He hasn't tried. 2. He has tried but couldn't get enough people to support him to get it to the floor of the Senate. 3. He has tried, but no one wants to be near him because he isn't doing anything substantial (unproven.) Anyone want to chime in on the important committees he has chaired, or been on (and showed up more than 50% of the time?) Careful, the memory division will fact check all responses. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #5 September 13, 2004 Unbelievable,sad,scary...what an imbecile !.......I had given Kerry credit for being smarter than GWB.....I see that was a mistakeMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #6 September 13, 2004 >Who needs to make crap up with a candidate like this? Yep! Bush said he'd sign the assault weapons ban as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #7 September 13, 2004 But did he say he would do it to curb terrorism? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #8 September 13, 2004 > But did he say he would do it to curb terrorism? No. So that's good news - he will take away your weapons for no reason at all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #9 September 13, 2004 QuoteYes, Newsmax is conservative. However, their stories are pretty rock solid. I'll look for a full text of the speech and try to post it out here. Fair enough. Biased sources can still accurately report stories, to be sure. I think that point is lost on people sometimes."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #10 September 13, 2004 Quote> But did he say he would do it to curb terrorism? No. So that's good news - he will take away your weapons for no reason at all! WIll he take away my weapons? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #11 September 13, 2004 >WIll he take away my weapons? I don't know what sort of weapons you have. But if you have assault weapons (as defined under the act that recently expired) then he will sign the bill to take them away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #12 September 13, 2004 QuoteYep! Bush said he'd sign the assault weapons ban as well. And he would if congress would send him one. They have to act first...not like he can just author it, sign and press. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #13 September 13, 2004 QuoteI don't know what sort of weapons you have. But if you have assault weapons (as defined under the act that recently expired) then he will sign the bill to take them away. Wait a minute, the previous ban did nothing of the sort (take weapons away.) It simply put heavy limitations on purchasing new ones. There was no new bill or new extension that I know of. If you have a link to this (that states the government would take away weapons from current owners) I'd like to see it. Your comment is just short of alarmist... but considering the source, it doesn't surprise me. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #14 September 13, 2004 Seems like the easiest way to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists is to make it illegal to kill people or do terrorist stuff. We should pass a law, that would stop them. It certainly stops other criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #15 September 13, 2004 >Wait a minute, the previous ban did nothing of the sort (take weapons away.) Take away the right to buy them. As I've heard several pro-gun people express it exactly that way, I used the same language, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #16 September 13, 2004 QuoteBut if you have assault weapons (as defined under the act that recently expired) then he will sign the bill to take them away. QuoteTake away the right to buy them. As I've heard several pro-gun people express it exactly that way, I used the same language, Ah, blame it on someone else, eh? I was going by your exact quote. It does nothing of the sort. If you own it, you own it. Frankly...I think gun control is a crock and a violation of the constitution. Just enforce the current laws. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #17 September 13, 2004 QuoteWho needs to make crap up with a candidate like this? Bush's men he hired to head the smear campaign against Kerry have been extremely bored. They haven't had to do anything yet. Everytime they come up with a great slam against Flipper he opens his mouth and speaks...then they have to go back to the drawing boards. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #18 September 13, 2004 Quote>Who needs to make crap up with a candidate like this? Yep! Bush said he'd sign the assault weapons ban as well. Although Kerry's outspokenness in favor of gun control seriously worries me, Bush's attempt to ride the fence really pisses me off. Bush said he'd sign a piece of legislation nobody expected to get through congress and then refused speak out in favor of the legislation. He's trying to please both sides of a hotly divided issue.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #19 September 13, 2004 >Bush said he'd sign a piece of legislation nobody expected to get >through congress and then refused speak out in favor of the legislation. > He's trying to please both sides of a hotly divided issue. Of course. If you never take a stand on something, no one can attack you on it. Then, when the gun-registration provision of Patriot II comes along, he can claim "I said all along I support control of assault weapons!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #20 September 13, 2004 Quote>Bush said he'd sign a piece of legislation nobody expected to get >through congress and then refused speak out in favor of the legislation. > He's trying to please both sides of a hotly divided issue. Of course. If you never take a stand on something, no one can attack you on it. Then, when the gun-registration provision of Patriot II comes along, he can claim "I said all along I support control of assault weapons!" So, my choices are a president who seldom picks a side or a president who keeps picking sides I disagree with. Screw that--I'm voting for Badnarik. Maybe if third party candidates start making a stronger showing, the two major parties will start choosing the BEST candidates, rather than the most "electable" candidates.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #21 September 13, 2004 >Screw that--I'm voting for Badnarik. Me too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #22 September 13, 2004 QuoteMaybe if third party candidates start making a stronger showing, the two major parties will start choosing the BEST candidates, rather than the most "electable" candidates. The two major parties - hell, ALL parties, will always pick the most 'electable' candidate. It's unfortunate in this case (and in the past Presidential election) that the best candidate wasn't chosen. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #23 September 13, 2004 Quote>Bush said he'd sign a piece of legislation nobody expected to get >through congress and then refused speak out in favor of the legislation. > He's trying to please both sides of a hotly divided issue. Of course. If you never take a stand on something, no one can attack you on it. Then, when the gun-registration provision of Patriot II comes along, he can claim "I said all along I support control of assault weapons!" Wasn't the renewal porked onto a bill to protect gun manufacturers from lawsuits where the product worked exactly as functioned? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #24 September 13, 2004 QuoteQuote>Bush said he'd sign a piece of legislation nobody expected to get >through congress and then refused speak out in favor of the legislation. > He's trying to please both sides of a hotly divided issue. Of course. If you never take a stand on something, no one can attack you on it. Then, when the gun-registration provision of Patriot II comes along, he can claim "I said all along I support control of assault weapons!" Wasn't the renewal porked onto a bill to protect gun manufacturers from lawsuits where the product worked exactly as functioned? Yes. Well, they knew that they could never allow their tactic of extortionist attacks on legal gun manufacturers to be outlawed, so they poisoned the Protection of Legal Commerce in Firearms Act with an amendment to not only extend but drastically augment the so-called "asault weapons ban." My best friend, who is unabashedly liberal, called me today to tell me that he hardly ever disagrees with Randi Rhoads -- the shrill, shrieking ultraliberal knownothing on AM radio out of West Palm Beach, FL -- but that he was hearing a blast of misinformation from her as she railed against the sunsetting of the ban. He said she was talking about how "our streets will now be flooded with automatic assault weapons that can fire 30 rounds in 2 seconds." He was angered by the way she had to be lying in order to support the ban. This is what liberals are all about, most particularly when it comes to the abject failure that is gun control: LIE and MISINFORM about what gun control actually does, and what guns actually do -- because if you tell the TRUTH, there is no logical and sustainable reason to support gun control. Blue skies, -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 September 13, 2004 Quote BTW, DO NOT FOLLOW ANY OF THE LINKS OFF OF THE PAGE, YOU GET A BUNCH OF POP-UPS, ONE OF WHICH ATTEMPTS TO INSTALL A TOOLBAR (AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE)... Stop using IE and these worries go away. Save it for the relative small number of sites that are not compliant with html standards. Why MS isn't joining everyone else in viewing the users' needs above that of the web sites puzzles me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
