434 2 #1 September 14, 2004 What do you feel about europeans in general, is so against Bush, and his foreign politics? Why do you think they are? Does it matter at all? Just wondering! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #2 September 14, 2004 QuoteWhat do you feel about europeans in general, is so against Bush, and his foreign politics? Why do you think they are? Does it matter at all? Just wondering! Europe has a history of appeasing dictators and murderers and the U.S. has a history of going to bat for those appeasers when theire asses are against the wall, thanklessly ridding them of the dictators. When a U.S. president does this, he makes the powermongers of European politics look like a bunch of pansy cowards, and so they hate him and criticize him viciously and endlessly in order to deflect attention from their own pathetic failings. At least, that's how it seems to me. Blue skies, -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #3 September 14, 2004 Very clever answer! And american history is like a shining glory? No mistakes at all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #4 September 14, 2004 the U.S. has a history of going to bat for those appeasers when theire asses are against the wall, thanklessly ridding them of the dictators.*** Circa American Revolutionary wars, to be more specific. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #5 September 14, 2004 I was just over there.l I think Euros are opposed to Bush mostly because of what their media are feeding them. And that most Americans are cruder in their wants than most Euros. Me being cruder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #6 September 14, 2004 Quotethe U.S. has a history of going to bat for those appeasers when theire asses are against the wall, thanklessly ridding them of the dictators.*** Circa American Revolutionary wars, to be more specific. Well, in the War for Independence, one of the countries of which we speak -- England -- was the actual dictator! I'd say that kinda cancels out France's assistance. Besides, France's turning its back on us despite our help through TWO MORE WORLD WARS does a hell of a lot to counter the aid they've rendered in the past. Blue skies, -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #7 September 14, 2004 QuoteAnd that most Americans are cruder in their wants than most Euros. Me being cruder. Ah Ha! I knew it all along. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #8 September 14, 2004 Besides, France's turning its back on us despite our help through TWO MORE WORLD WARS does a hell of a lot to counter the aid they've rendered in the past*** 1914/1915/1916/1939/1940/(most of) 1941... I guess what (did not happen in) 2003 makes up for it... short term memory selective memory does wonders... Wanna call it even? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #9 September 14, 2004 QuoteBesides, France's turning its back on us despite our help through TWO MORE WORLD WARS does a hell of a lot to counter the aid they've rendered in the past*** 1914/1915/1916/1939/1940/(most of) 1941... I guess what (did not happen in) 2003 makes up for it... short term memory selective memory does wonders... Wanna call it even? I think that in those years you cited, it was the U.S. saving the ass of the French, n'est ce pas? Just what are you talking about? Blue skies, -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #10 September 14, 2004 QuoteI think that in those years you cited, it was the U.S. saving the ass of the French, n'est ce pas? You don't know much about history do you? Did you even bother to take notice of the years that Frenchy quoted and the reasons why they were brought up before you clicked that send button? You should have payed attention to that grade seven history lesson they taught in school. Cause if you did, you would have known better not to make that comment you just made. How's that toe jam taste? As you just got caught with your foot in your mouth big time, and there's nothing you can say to get you out of this one. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #11 September 14, 2004 "and so they hate him and criticize him viciously and endlessly in order to deflect attention from their own pathetic failings." Nope, its because he and many like him are ignorant fuckwits.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #12 September 14, 2004 Quote"and so they hate him and criticize him viciously and endlessly in order to deflect attention from their own pathetic failings." Nope, its because he and many like him are ignorant fuckwits. So let's hurry and replace him with Kerry so we can mitigate the ignorant fuckwittedness with mendacity and two-facedness. -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 September 14, 2004 Kerry/Bush, whatever...I don't think US foreign policy or environmental performance will change, and thats about as far as my interest goes. I'm actually beginning to reckon that Bush might be the better option, at least we know his shortcomings, and its a case of better the devil you know. But it just doesn't feel right.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #14 September 14, 2004 Not a great choice you guys are foisting on the world is it... Good hit on the dates by the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 September 14, 2004 QuoteWhat do you feel about europeans in general, is so against Bush, and his foreign politics? Why do you think they are? Does it matter at all? Just wondering! Only half the voters here were for him, why would it be any different outside of the US? There are lots of reasons - some reasonably, some petty, some from the same pursuits of capitalism. The French in particular would like to think they matter more than they actually do on the world scene. The 19th Century is over! Does it matter? It would be preferable to have good relations, but the truth is that for a lot of people the US can never do right and unless they are benefitting from it, the use of force is never appropriate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverton 0 #16 September 14, 2004 Unfortunately we have a rather strong socialist media influence here in europe. They always criticise the USA. I'm happy I live in Holland and my government decided to support the USA. Most people don't remember it is only 60years ago holland has been liberated by UK/US/Canada/australia. Please vote BUSH. KERRY will bring you guys much of the tax-increasing socialistic shit. Those socialists (in fact they are communists) forget one thing: To give one person money, you have to steal it from another person. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit, Especially when you are jumping a sport rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #17 September 14, 2004 Quote Kerry/Bush, whatever...I don't think US foreign policy or environmental performance will change, and thats about as far as my interest goes. I'm actually beginning to reckon that Bush might be the better option, at least we know his shortcomings, and its a case of better the devil you know. But it just doesn't feel right. That's so right! That's what so many people around me slowly use to say. And that's why the US is called a "leading world power"?? The mighty "leader" just is interchangeable but, nothing's changed? Weird. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #18 September 14, 2004 Quote Does it matter at all? Provided we keep our defenses built up, not really. USA defense spending, 2004: 466 billion. Rest of the world defense spending combined, 2004: 500 billion. Looks like good enough odds for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #19 September 14, 2004 ***I'm actually beginning to reckon that Bush might be the better option, at least we know his shortcomings, and its a case of better the devil you know. But it just doesn't feel right. I agree........ but as a viable alternative,lets ditch our political system and become a crown colony again!Long live the Queen! (but we get to keep all our guns,just in case)Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflybella 0 #20 September 14, 2004 Quote Not a great choice you guys are foisting on the world is it... Good point. Where are the good choices and why haven't we elected/supported them into the running? With Bush/Cheney, we know we're fucked for 4 more years. With Kerry/Edwards, we at least stand a chance. But most of all, we demonstrate the American public's right and power to get rid of bad/greedy/careless politicians. Maybe if we did that more often, our choices would be of better quality... Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #21 September 14, 2004 QuoteBut most of all, we demonstrate the American public's right and power to get rid of bad/greedy/careless politicians. Ha....haha...BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm guessing that you don't know much about Kerry if you're saying this re: "getting rid of Bush."--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflybella 0 #22 September 14, 2004 Hey, if he sticks it to us as President - get rid of him too. Again, somehow these are the 2 we're stuck with... Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdhill 0 #23 September 14, 2004 QuoteWith Bush/Cheney, we know we're fucked for 4 more years. With Kerry/Edwards, we at least stand a chance. With B/C we have a good idea of how we'll be fucked for the next 4 years... With K/E... we know we'll be fucked, just don't know how yet... Good choices don't run because of how invasive the process is... why would someone leading a successful private life want to subject themselves to the reckless and irresponsible media sharks and the national committees of both major parties? JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #24 September 14, 2004 Quote What do you feel about europeans in general, is so against Bush, and his foreign politics? Honestly I too see europeans as appeasers. Smaller and more reliant on eachother. I feel that europeans have a lot of angst toward eachother as well, however, disliking the USA brings the europeans together. QuoteWhy do you think they are? First off all European nations are closer to socialism than Capitalism and I think that is a major sticking point on both sides. We americans left Europe in the first place to try something new. I think there is a bit of jealousy involved toward the USA. Mainly because in a Capitalistic society you can have more power, more money and less Governmental influence than in a socialistic one. I think in a socialistic society everyone tends to be on a closer level (in general). There is a move in this country in the far left to transform this country into a more European nation (GOD I HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS). QuoteDoes it matter at all? To me it doesn't matter. We should not run this country and worry too much about how our neighbors across the pond feel. We as a nation are tring to better ourselves, and european input is not nessasarily in our best interest. Sorry for the spelling ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #25 September 14, 2004 You mean dictators like Saddam Husein or murderers like Osama Bin Laden? Weird, because the US of A has a history to appease those dictators and murderers when it is convenient. (Till it backfires) Just a question, do you really believe what you post, or even think about it. It is very easy to prove you wrong over and over again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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markd_nscr986 0 #19 September 14, 2004 ***I'm actually beginning to reckon that Bush might be the better option, at least we know his shortcomings, and its a case of better the devil you know. But it just doesn't feel right. I agree........ but as a viable alternative,lets ditch our political system and become a crown colony again!Long live the Queen! (but we get to keep all our guns,just in case)Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #20 September 14, 2004 Quote Not a great choice you guys are foisting on the world is it... Good point. Where are the good choices and why haven't we elected/supported them into the running? With Bush/Cheney, we know we're fucked for 4 more years. With Kerry/Edwards, we at least stand a chance. But most of all, we demonstrate the American public's right and power to get rid of bad/greedy/careless politicians. Maybe if we did that more often, our choices would be of better quality... Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 September 14, 2004 QuoteBut most of all, we demonstrate the American public's right and power to get rid of bad/greedy/careless politicians. Ha....haha...BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm guessing that you don't know much about Kerry if you're saying this re: "getting rid of Bush."--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #22 September 14, 2004 Hey, if he sticks it to us as President - get rid of him too. Again, somehow these are the 2 we're stuck with... Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #23 September 14, 2004 QuoteWith Bush/Cheney, we know we're fucked for 4 more years. With Kerry/Edwards, we at least stand a chance. With B/C we have a good idea of how we'll be fucked for the next 4 years... With K/E... we know we'll be fucked, just don't know how yet... Good choices don't run because of how invasive the process is... why would someone leading a successful private life want to subject themselves to the reckless and irresponsible media sharks and the national committees of both major parties? JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #24 September 14, 2004 Quote What do you feel about europeans in general, is so against Bush, and his foreign politics? Honestly I too see europeans as appeasers. Smaller and more reliant on eachother. I feel that europeans have a lot of angst toward eachother as well, however, disliking the USA brings the europeans together. QuoteWhy do you think they are? First off all European nations are closer to socialism than Capitalism and I think that is a major sticking point on both sides. We americans left Europe in the first place to try something new. I think there is a bit of jealousy involved toward the USA. Mainly because in a Capitalistic society you can have more power, more money and less Governmental influence than in a socialistic one. I think in a socialistic society everyone tends to be on a closer level (in general). There is a move in this country in the far left to transform this country into a more European nation (GOD I HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS). QuoteDoes it matter at all? To me it doesn't matter. We should not run this country and worry too much about how our neighbors across the pond feel. We as a nation are tring to better ourselves, and european input is not nessasarily in our best interest. Sorry for the spelling ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #25 September 14, 2004 You mean dictators like Saddam Husein or murderers like Osama Bin Laden? Weird, because the US of A has a history to appease those dictators and murderers when it is convenient. (Till it backfires) Just a question, do you really believe what you post, or even think about it. It is very easy to prove you wrong over and over again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
