PhillyKev 0 #51 September 14, 2004 QuoteTrue, but define super power? In WWII terms, we were invaded in Hawaii. I know you meant continental, but Japan didn't take the island. Japan didn't invade Hawaii. They bombed a military installation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #52 September 14, 2004 They did land troops in Alaska though... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #53 September 14, 2004 just no 2-ways*** How about a horny Gorilla? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #54 September 14, 2004 QuoteJapan didn't invade Hawaii. They bombed a military installation. Ah, yes then we were attacked, but still on our soil. I stand corrected, however it still doesn't change my point. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #55 September 14, 2004 Quote Honestly I too see europeans as appeasers. Smaller and more reliant on eachother. I feel that europeans have a lot of angst toward eachother as well, however, disliking the USA brings the europeans together. This is Little John's view on the world while he shovels the shit from his cows from one side to the next Quote First off all European nations are closer to socialism than Capitalism and I think that is a major sticking point on both sides. We americans left Europe in the first place to try something new. I think there is a bit of jealousy involved toward the USA. Mainly because in a Capitalistic society you can have more power, more money and less Governmental influence than in a socialistic one. I think in a socialistic society everyone tends to be on a closer level (in general). There is a move in this country in the far left to transform this country into a more European nation (GOD I HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS). OMG, I only do hope there are others "thinking"... Quote To me it doesn't matter. We should not run this country and worry too much about how our neighbors across the pond feel. We as a nation are tring to better ourselves, and european input is not nessasarily in our best interest. Guy, one day you will find out that the world is not only colonized by Americans, did you know? There is life beyond the American borders We "close living" Europeans know fire, a wheel, and -must be a surprise for you- explore the s-p-a-c-e! Surprised? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #56 September 14, 2004 Quoteit still doesn't change my point You can't compare an attack on a military (or civilian) installation to an occupying army. Modern North America has yet to be occupied by an invading army (and it may never happen). But if it was to happen, then the shoe would now be on the other foot. You forget or neglect to acknowledge that North America is radically different that Europe. Europe has many more different countries with many more different cultures and political agendas (at least historically) and thus has experienced many more different wars. God who knows what would have happened had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor or if Hilter had not started a 2nd front before finishing off the first one he started. History would be totally different and we all could be speaking German or Russian right now. Imagine Hilter conquering the UK, then Russia and then building some nukes to take America out while America slept and choose not to fight in Europe's war. Japan actually likely did America a favor by attacking Pearl Harbor when it did and getting America into the war. Cause if Hilter had nukes, you know he would have used them against America while America slept. And America wouldn't have had their nukes when they did without the help of a few pretty smart Germans. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #57 September 14, 2004 Quote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #58 September 14, 2004 Quotejust no 2-ways*** How about a horny Gorilla? Maybe a horney Gorilla... at least that way you'll be in front of me and I can keep my eyes on you!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #59 September 14, 2004 QuoteGuy, one day you will find out that the world is not only colonized by Americans, did you know? I know... SHit we were colnized by Britts!!!! Sorry, but I look out for myself first and others second. I care more about what happens in my nation than yours or anyone elses. That is not to say I don't care about the rest of the world, but I need to look after my country first and foremost. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #60 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? *** That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. *** No. I am not pissed off at all as I did not expect something special. Just transfer this matter to fauna. There are species died out but, or still sitting on a tree, fighting for their bananas. As long as they only live with each other, their horizon is small. And they will die out one day, too. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #61 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Doesn't sound like the neighborhood where I live.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jazzjumper 0 #62 September 14, 2004 QuoteYou can't compare an attack on a military (or civilian) installation to an occupying army. Modern North America has yet to be occupied by an invading army (and it may never happen). But if it was to happen, then the shoe would now be on the other foot. Right, my point was not one has had the resources, reasons, or guts to try. There is a reason for that. QuoteYou forget or neglect to acknowledge that North America is radically different that Europe. Europe has many more different countries with many more different political agendas (at least historically) and thus has experienced many more different wars. God who knows what would have happened had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor or if Hilter had not started a 2nd front before finishing off the first one he started. History would be totally different and we all could be speaking German or Russian right now. Imagine Hilter conquering the UK, then Russia and then building some nukes to take America out while America slept and choose not to fight in Europe's war. Japan actually likely did America a favor by attacking Pearl Harbor when it did and getting America into the war. Well, I wouldn't say that Japan did America a favor. If history isn't what it was, then it would be something else...on this we agree. On what it would be is anybody's guess. This is all off point. The point is the US is more often the rescuers (big picture) than rescuees (little picture.) When was the last time we asked France, Germany, or Japan for help because we needed it to win (rather than to pacify the left?) No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #63 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou can't compare an attack on a military (or civilian) installation to an occupying army. Modern North America has yet to be occupied by an invading army (and it may never happen). But if it was to happen, then the shoe would now be on the other foot. Right, my point was not one has had the resources, reasons, or guts to try. There is a reason for that. QuoteYou forget or neglect to acknowledge that North America is radically different that Europe. Europe has many more different countries with many more different political agendas (at least historically) and thus has experienced many more different wars. God who knows what would have happened had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor or if Hilter had not started a 2nd front before finishing off the first one he started. History would be totally different and we all could be speaking German or Russian right now. Imagine Hilter conquering the UK, then Russia and then building some nukes to take America out while America slept and choose not to fight in Europe's war. Japan actually likely did America a favor by attacking Pearl Harbor when it did and getting America into the war. Well, I wouldn't say that Japan did America a favor. If history isn't what it was, then it would be something else...on this we agree. On what it would be is anybody's guess. This is all off point. The point is the US is more often the rescuers (big picture) than rescuees (little picture.) When was the last time we asked France, Germany, or Japan for help because we needed it to win (rather than to pacify the left?) Involving your allies is a GOOD idea. In 1991 the allies paid 95% of the cost of the Gulf War thus saving me (and you) mucho $$$. In 2003-4 the allies paid less than 10% of the cost of Bush's Vendetta War in Iraq.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #64 September 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Doesn't sound like the neighborhood where I live. Nope. You and your wealthy neighbors probably have the local constable imprison the poor and homeless for things like "vagrancy" to keep the shiny sidewalks pristine. You probably don't have neighbors living in shanties on postage-stamp-sized tracts because you zoned the poor right out of your neighborhood. -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #65 September 15, 2004 QuoteInvolving your allies is a GOOD idea. In 1991 the allies paid 95% of the cost of the Gulf War thus saving me (and you) mucho $$$. In 2003-4 the allies paid less than 10% of the cost of Bush's Vendetta War in Iraq. Well shit -- how the hell were the French gonna pony-up when in order to do so they'd have to collect what Saddam had owed them?! You're surprised they opposed dethroning him? -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jazzjumper 0 #66 September 21, 2004 QuoteInvolving your allies is a GOOD idea. In 1991 the allies paid 95% of the cost of the Gulf War thus saving me (and you) mucho $$$. In 2003-4 the allies paid less than 10% of the cost of Bush's Vendetta War in Iraq. Where do you get your numbers from? I found we paid at least 18% of the first gulf war. I think we'll get money from Iraq oil eventually to cover some of the cost of this one as well. But hey, what is the cost of freedom? No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #67 September 21, 2004 QuoteI think we'll get money from Iraq oil eventually to cover some of the cost of this one as well. So much for the "It is not about oil" theory QuoteBut hey, what is the cost of freedom? We don´t know yet, when the U.S leaves Irak we will see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #68 September 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Doesn't sound like the neighborhood where I live. Nope. You and your wealthy neighbors probably have the local constable imprison the poor and homeless for things like "vagrancy" to keep the shiny sidewalks pristine. You probably don't have neighbors living in shanties on postage-stamp-sized tracts because you zoned the poor right out of your neighborhood. -Jeffrey - It's cool that you know so much about my neighborhood that you are prepared to write about it on the internet. Maybe you should brush up on Maggie Thatcher's famous message to Bush(41) sometime.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites miked10270 0 #69 September 21, 2004 "Maybe you should brush up on Maggie Thatcher's famous message to Bush(41) sometime." Was this the infamous "George... This is NO time to go wobbly!" one which was accompanied by a threatening wave of her handbag? The one where Bush Snr. moved a big lump of the US Army etc... to Saudi 'cos he was scared Maggie was going to hit him with her purse? But that's our Maggie all over. A Mad Fascist bat she may have been, but she was a good Bat to have in a crisis!Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,445 #70 September 21, 2004 QuoteIn WWII terms, we were invaded in Hawaii. I know you meant continental, but Japan didn't take the island. No, we were bombed. They didn't send an invasion force to take the islands, they just bombed the shit out of them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #71 September 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteIn WWII terms, we were invaded in Hawaii. I know you meant continental, but Japan didn't take the island. No, we were bombed. They didn't send an invasion force to take the islands, they just bombed the shit out of them. The Japanese certainly did invade and take other islands in the Pacific. It's a bit besides the point - the much more dense continental US only suffered the occasional lobbing of shellls from submarines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,445 #72 September 21, 2004 His point was that the US was invaded, and he gave Hawaii as the case in point. I was just countering that. As the war progressed, islands that we now have control over certainly were invaded; both by us and by the Japanese. And I completely agree that the continental US has not been in any real danger this century. I don't think that's a pity, but I do think that it makes a lot of Americans unable to really think about what being invaded might be like. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jazzjumper 0 #73 September 24, 2004 QuoteI think we'll get money from Iraq oil eventually to cover some of the cost of this one as well. QuoteSo much for the "It is not about oil" theory See, this is the kind of comments that have no basis. It wasn't about oil, but about freedom. But oil can be used to help pay the cost. I don't see you make that leap. QuoteBut hey, what is the cost of freedom? We don´t know yet, when the U.S leaves Irak we will see. Well, the cost to your country is nill. Frankly (and since I'm now over here actually doing the job), it's well worth it. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #61 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Doesn't sound like the neighborhood where I live.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #62 September 14, 2004 QuoteYou can't compare an attack on a military (or civilian) installation to an occupying army. Modern North America has yet to be occupied by an invading army (and it may never happen). But if it was to happen, then the shoe would now be on the other foot. Right, my point was not one has had the resources, reasons, or guts to try. There is a reason for that. QuoteYou forget or neglect to acknowledge that North America is radically different that Europe. Europe has many more different countries with many more different political agendas (at least historically) and thus has experienced many more different wars. God who knows what would have happened had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor or if Hilter had not started a 2nd front before finishing off the first one he started. History would be totally different and we all could be speaking German or Russian right now. Imagine Hilter conquering the UK, then Russia and then building some nukes to take America out while America slept and choose not to fight in Europe's war. Japan actually likely did America a favor by attacking Pearl Harbor when it did and getting America into the war. Well, I wouldn't say that Japan did America a favor. If history isn't what it was, then it would be something else...on this we agree. On what it would be is anybody's guess. This is all off point. The point is the US is more often the rescuers (big picture) than rescuees (little picture.) When was the last time we asked France, Germany, or Japan for help because we needed it to win (rather than to pacify the left?) No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #63 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou can't compare an attack on a military (or civilian) installation to an occupying army. Modern North America has yet to be occupied by an invading army (and it may never happen). But if it was to happen, then the shoe would now be on the other foot. Right, my point was not one has had the resources, reasons, or guts to try. There is a reason for that. QuoteYou forget or neglect to acknowledge that North America is radically different that Europe. Europe has many more different countries with many more different political agendas (at least historically) and thus has experienced many more different wars. God who knows what would have happened had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor or if Hilter had not started a 2nd front before finishing off the first one he started. History would be totally different and we all could be speaking German or Russian right now. Imagine Hilter conquering the UK, then Russia and then building some nukes to take America out while America slept and choose not to fight in Europe's war. Japan actually likely did America a favor by attacking Pearl Harbor when it did and getting America into the war. Well, I wouldn't say that Japan did America a favor. If history isn't what it was, then it would be something else...on this we agree. On what it would be is anybody's guess. This is all off point. The point is the US is more often the rescuers (big picture) than rescuees (little picture.) When was the last time we asked France, Germany, or Japan for help because we needed it to win (rather than to pacify the left?) Involving your allies is a GOOD idea. In 1991 the allies paid 95% of the cost of the Gulf War thus saving me (and you) mucho $$$. In 2003-4 the allies paid less than 10% of the cost of Bush's Vendetta War in Iraq.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #64 September 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Doesn't sound like the neighborhood where I live. Nope. You and your wealthy neighbors probably have the local constable imprison the poor and homeless for things like "vagrancy" to keep the shiny sidewalks pristine. You probably don't have neighbors living in shanties on postage-stamp-sized tracts because you zoned the poor right out of your neighborhood. -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #65 September 15, 2004 QuoteInvolving your allies is a GOOD idea. In 1991 the allies paid 95% of the cost of the Gulf War thus saving me (and you) mucho $$$. In 2003-4 the allies paid less than 10% of the cost of Bush's Vendetta War in Iraq. Well shit -- how the hell were the French gonna pony-up when in order to do so they'd have to collect what Saddam had owed them?! You're surprised they opposed dethroning him? -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #66 September 21, 2004 QuoteInvolving your allies is a GOOD idea. In 1991 the allies paid 95% of the cost of the Gulf War thus saving me (and you) mucho $$$. In 2003-4 the allies paid less than 10% of the cost of Bush's Vendetta War in Iraq. Where do you get your numbers from? I found we paid at least 18% of the first gulf war. I think we'll get money from Iraq oil eventually to cover some of the cost of this one as well. But hey, what is the cost of freedom? No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #67 September 21, 2004 QuoteI think we'll get money from Iraq oil eventually to cover some of the cost of this one as well. So much for the "It is not about oil" theory QuoteBut hey, what is the cost of freedom? We don´t know yet, when the U.S leaves Irak we will see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #68 September 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Doesn't sound like the neighborhood where I live. Nope. You and your wealthy neighbors probably have the local constable imprison the poor and homeless for things like "vagrancy" to keep the shiny sidewalks pristine. You probably don't have neighbors living in shanties on postage-stamp-sized tracts because you zoned the poor right out of your neighborhood. -Jeffrey - It's cool that you know so much about my neighborhood that you are prepared to write about it on the internet. Maybe you should brush up on Maggie Thatcher's famous message to Bush(41) sometime.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #69 September 21, 2004 "Maybe you should brush up on Maggie Thatcher's famous message to Bush(41) sometime." Was this the infamous "George... This is NO time to go wobbly!" one which was accompanied by a threatening wave of her handbag? The one where Bush Snr. moved a big lump of the US Army etc... to Saudi 'cos he was scared Maggie was going to hit him with her purse? But that's our Maggie all over. A Mad Fascist bat she may have been, but she was a good Bat to have in a crisis!Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,445 #70 September 21, 2004 QuoteIn WWII terms, we were invaded in Hawaii. I know you meant continental, but Japan didn't take the island. No, we were bombed. They didn't send an invasion force to take the islands, they just bombed the shit out of them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #71 September 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteIn WWII terms, we were invaded in Hawaii. I know you meant continental, but Japan didn't take the island. No, we were bombed. They didn't send an invasion force to take the islands, they just bombed the shit out of them. The Japanese certainly did invade and take other islands in the Pacific. It's a bit besides the point - the much more dense continental US only suffered the occasional lobbing of shellls from submarines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,445 #72 September 21, 2004 His point was that the US was invaded, and he gave Hawaii as the case in point. I was just countering that. As the war progressed, islands that we now have control over certainly were invaded; both by us and by the Japanese. And I completely agree that the continental US has not been in any real danger this century. I don't think that's a pity, but I do think that it makes a lot of Americans unable to really think about what being invaded might be like. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #73 September 24, 2004 QuoteI think we'll get money from Iraq oil eventually to cover some of the cost of this one as well. QuoteSo much for the "It is not about oil" theory See, this is the kind of comments that have no basis. It wasn't about oil, but about freedom. But oil can be used to help pay the cost. I don't see you make that leap. QuoteBut hey, what is the cost of freedom? We don´t know yet, when the U.S leaves Irak we will see. Well, the cost to your country is nill. Frankly (and since I'm now over here actually doing the job), it's well worth it. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red_Skydiver 0 #74 September 24, 2004 QuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Your view point is exactly what many people don't like about the USA and it's people - it's the arrogance. I'm not saying that all americans have that arrogance, far from it and I'm not saying that non-americans don't have those traits either it's just that as a nation that is how you are perceived. And before anyone suggests that we are jealous I can tell you that I don't know one person who actually is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red_Skydiver 0 #75 September 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote There is life beyond the American borders Sure there is, but we are Americans. Why shouldn't we care about OUR nation first and foremost? I don't give a flying flip about my next door neighbor unless he's bothering me. I'll carry the analogy further and say that I live in a huge mansion on a massive tract of land, and my neighbor lives in a shanty on a postage stamp. Why should I care about his place when I have so much right here? That's a harsh statement and would piss me off (rightly so) if I heard it from your perspective, but that's how a lot of people feel about it, and I don't blame them. Your view point is exactly what many people don't like about the USA and it's people - it's the arrogance. I'm not saying that all americans have that arrogance, far from it and I'm not saying that non-americans don't have those traits either it's just that as a nation that is how you are perceived. And before anyone suggests that we are jealous I can tell you that I don't know one person who actually is. Just want to clarify that I'm not disagreeing with the idea of looking after your own nation first - we're all "guilty" of that but it's the not giving a flying flip about your next door neighbour unless he's bothering you that I was gettig at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
