The Bible

[chuteless 1]

Ive been following the thread about God, (from a distance) and although I see certain things I can agree with, Most of what is written is nothing but blasphemy.

I am going to give here, a list of some things the Bible (King James version ) says, about the times in which we are now living. (All other versions are perversions).

You can mull over them, give your thoughts, but I will not be back on this forum to get into arguments over this l;ist. The things I will state are absolute FACTS, and are totally ture, whether you like to believe it or not.


I will not accept any emails on DZ.com, but will accept them at billcole5@hotmail.com.
I will delete immmediately any emails that are considered blasphemous towqards God or Jesus Christ,, or using any filthy language. All other emails I will reply to , but will not get into a lengthy discourse in a topic would take an extreme length of time to teach one how to spiritually understand the means of an explanation.

To start with, the Holy Bible (King James version) contains references to:

George W Bush,
Osama bin Laden
Al Qaeda,
The United States of America
England
Iraq
Japan
China
Russia
France,
The War In Iraq
North Korea
The Holocaust
The demise of the U.S.A., and when that will take place,
and who will take over the land mass now known as the USA
The Islamic nations
Nuclear devastation,
Smallpox
references to "the time of the end" which is the days in which we are presently living.

NOTE: There is a difference between the "time of the end" and "The End of Time".

This should give those interested some food for thought.

As I said when I announced I was retiring from active jumping, I will monitor the forums, but this may be the last time I post a thread for you to consider.

Bill Cole

[narcimund 0]

How cute!

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[PhillyKev 0]

So does Nostradamus. So do the coffee grounds left in the bottom of the pot. Everything has references to everything depending on how you perceive it.

I hope this isn't your last thread. I'm looking forward to your reaction if Kerry wins the election since you've stated so many times that you have proof that Bush will be the last president of the US.

[pajarito 0]

I believe in the end time prophesy, however, I don't think anyone can say "for certain" that the Bible contains "specific" references to any from the list above. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. Like you said, it does have to do with what you perceive.

[mr2mk1g 10]

Maybe more people in the world should take the university courses I've attended on differentiating between opinion evidence and a factual account.

[InflightSupv 0]

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Ive been following the thread about God, (from a distance) and although I see certain things I can agree with, Most of what is written is nothing but blasphemy.

I am going to give here, a list of some things the Bible (King James version ) says, about the times in which we are now living. (All other versions are perversions).

You can mull over them, give your thoughts, but I will not be back on this forum to get into arguments over this l;ist. The things I will state are absolute FACTS, and are totally ture, whether you like to believe it or not.


I will not accept any emails on DZ.com, but will accept them at billcole5@hotmail.com.
I will delete immmediately any emails that are considered blasphemous towqards God or Jesus Christ,, or using any filthy language. All other emails I will reply to , but will not get into a lengthy discourse in a topic would take an extreme length of time to teach one how to spiritually understand the means of an explanation.

To start with, the Holy Bible (King James version) contains references to:

George W Bush,
Osama bin Laden
Al Qaeda,
The United States of America
England
Iraq
Japan
China
Russia
France,
The War In Iraq
North Korea
The Holocaust
The demise of the U.S.A., and when that will take place,
and who will take over the land mass now known as the USA
The Islamic nations
Nuclear devastation,
Smallpox
references to "the time of the end" which is the days in which we are presently living.

NOTE: There is a difference between the "time of the end" and "The End of Time".

This should give those interested some food for thought.

As I said when I announced I was retiring from active jumping, I will monitor the forums, but this may be the last time I post a thread for you to consider.

Bill Cole

Without getting into a discussion about validity, etc., can you include the text that reveals the above?

[PhillyKev 0]

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Without getting into a discussion about validity, etc., can you include the text that reveals the above?

It's in a secret code that he and his father deciphered from the Bible. His usual response is that our puny minds would not understand.

Ever see the South Park episode about the Mormons and John Smith or whatever his name is reads the book of Mormon out of a hat to another guy that writes it down? It's kind of like that.

[happythoughts 0]

Some of life is just luck. Some people were lucky enough to be born in a country founded by people with the correct book. If they were born in another country, they might be reading the incorrect text and going to spend all eternity in flamey torment.

[Botellines 0]

The things I will state are absolute FACTS, and are totally ture, whether you like to believe it or not.

The Bible has the same factual value as the Koran, and as the Tora. None in my personal opinion. However, do you realize how silly what you are saying sounds? So you have the TRUTH, and anyone who disagrees is wrong. This very same fanatic religious ideas is what served Osama Bin Laden as justification to his terrorists acts.
You are very well respected in the skydiving comunity, too bad you don´t show any respect in a non skydiving forum.

[pajarito 0]

This is a tough one that I've thought about a lot before. The answers aren't as clear cut as I'd like. Here is some info on it:

What about those who have never heard the Gospel?

A. That is a good question. The Bible says that God is a just God. We know that whatever He does is right. When it comes to those who have never heard the Gospel, He will do what is right, whatever that is. But as for you, you have heard the gospel and He will judge you according to how you respond. He is calling you to repentance, to turn from sin and come to Him.

B. In Romans 2:11-16 it speaks about those who have never heard the Law of God and how they will be judged according to the law that is written in their hearts. The Law written in their hearts is the knowledge of right and wrong. Perhaps God's judgment of those without a proper knowledge of Him is included there where it says that they will be judged according to their own consciences that "bear witness, and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them." All I know is that God will do what is right and the only way to have your sins forgiven is through Jesus.

Those who have never heard the Gospel

Those who have never heard the Gospel dialogue

As for those prior to Jesus:

Those who died in faith looking forward to the messiah were justified before God. We see this in Romans 4:1-5 where Abraham was justified by faith even though he did not know the messiah.

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New International Version (NIV)

What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about – but not before God. What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 4:1-5

[happythoughts 0]

My point was that no matter which country you are in, you think your book is the right one. Not only that, you think that you will be "saving" the other group from eternal pain. Really sincere religious folks are really trying to help.

Here is the problem:
Everybody thinks that they are right.
They have the correct book.
The others are being misled by minions of Satan.
They will save the others by destroying their religious institutions.

The Muslims/Jews/Christians who are willing to die for their faith are just being sincere. Whether they are considered right is basically the geography of your birth and the surrounding society.

[pajarito 0]

Gotta go for a couple of hours. Be back later.

[peregrinerose 0]

I think that just about anything can be interpreted in any way that the person wants to. The Bible in its language and sometimes ambiguity is easy to construe in different ways. It's intent was not to prophesy who will win the election this year, it is a guideline to God (at least according to Christianity). I believe that it certainly gives details regaring the time of the end, as perceived by Christianity, but other than that, no specifics about historical details.

To put this kind of post without supporting data and then refusing to read the thread is not exactly a valid way to address a debate. If the intent of this thread is to educate, please do so, give us the quotes so we can evaluate for ourselves.

I do not believe that God has been insulted or blasphemied for the most part on here. Yes, the occasional ignornant post flies out, but even those who disagree with Christianity are typically respectful of the Christians on board here. Some of us are actively willing to learn more. One can never have too much information upon which to base their perceptions or decisions.

Jen

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[beowulf 1]

If I had to geuss, I would say that you don't think very highly of me and you would probably consider many of my posts to be blasphemous. Is that true?

[Luv2Fall 0]

A convincing code at that................it takes much time to go through and to digest the material.............more time than the average busy adult has to place it all here.

[pajarito 0]

I quote and paraphrase C.S. Lewis a lot. I apologize. I just really like his stuff. The chapter I just read pertains somewhat to the question of “What about those who have never heard of Jesus” and I think it also makes a good case for evangelism if we are all, in fact, “organs within the same body.”

From “Mere Christianity”:
C.S. Lewis gave the example of a tin soldier you might have had as a child. He described us as like the tin soldier that might become alive in Jesus. If a tin soldier were to come to life, however, it would make no difference at all to the rest of the tin soldiers. We, on the other hand, are different, are all related, and, therefore, interconnected as a human race. What happens to one of us affects others. We look separate because we see each other walking around separately and we can only see the present moment. If you could see humanity spread out in time, however, and weren’t bound by time, you’d probably see one single growing thing. He described all of us as like one very complicated tree. What Jesus did for us is “like dropping into a glass of water one drop of something which gives a new taste or a new color to the whole lot.” “It makes a difference to people who lived before Christ as well as to people who lived after Him. It makes a difference to people who have never heard of Him.” “Humanity is already ‘saved’ in principle. We individuals have to appropriate that salvation.” The work has already been done for us.

[Luv2Fall 0]

There is one book that has convinced most of all who read it to believe in the Bible and God's unchanged message and mission. This book is called "Hostage to the Devil" authored by Malachi Martin - a eminent theologian, premier authority on the Roman Catholic Church and former professor at the Vatican's Pontifical Biblical Institute. He has also authored several other national bestsellers to include "The Jesuits".

Anyway, I can guarantee that nine out of ten people who read this book will have trouble sleeping. I was warned not to read it unless I was sure I could handle it. This book is NOT about phony possessions and exorcisms we see on TV and read about elsewhere or about mental illness as far as that goes.......there's a lot of phony crap out there......laughable crap at that.

This book is an intimate, personal account of such things as mentioned above.

Nonbelievers, I respectfully challenge you to obtain a copy of this book and read it.

The reviews are pretty good:

"The most shattering book on demonic possession isn't fiction at all but MALACHI MARTIN'S spellbinding work of interpretive reporting" - New York Times

"In the barrage of books on possession and exorcism, this is undoubtedly the most authoritative and convincing" - The Washington Post Book Review

"Martin is above all serious. He is not speaking about madness, about illusions or the irrational, but about the real beyond all reason. He presents exorcism as......a titanic clash of wills that threatens the lives, the sanity, even the souls of all attending - Newsweek.

Respectfully recommended,

Robert

[pajarito 0]

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The Muslims/Jews/Christians who are willing to die for their faith are just being sincere. Whether they are considered right is basically the geography of your birth and the surrounding society.

Only if you believe that the idea of “right and wrong” and the knowledge of the one true god comes strictly as a result of a “herd instinct” or that it developed through some process of evolution. I think one’s geographical birthplace or the community that they grew up in contributes some but I think there’s more to it than that. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that all other religions have it wrong completely. Most teach many “good” things and are very beneficial. However, I think that most people, deep down in their heart of hearts, know what’s right. I believe that it’s written in their hearts.

[pajarito 0]

Sounds very interesting. I'll read it. Thanks!

[marcandalysse 0]

I just checked out amazon.com about this book. A reader had this review....

By the way, if GOD indeed exists, I would like to think he would be more understanding, loving, and help us limited humans to evolve more peacefully, despite our 'delusions' and 'blasphemies'.
-marc

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It always amazes me that people give so much credence to "exorcisms" as relating to the Catholic Church. I heard once that the Catholic Church does about one exorcism per year. Whatever the truth there, that is NOTHING in comparison with the amount of deliverances that are done all over the world every day. How do I know? I have performed them myself. Many, and often. Many have been very, very dramatic.

If you read the New Testament from cover to cover, you will see that about 1/3 of Jesus' ministry had to do with deliverance. He called deliverance "the children's bread". He also said that if your house is cleaned (of demons), you had better fill it (with the Holy Spirit) or the demons will come back 7x worse. The point is that you have to be a believer...born-again as John 3 says.

If you read the gospel accounts (start with John), Jesus gave his "power of attorney" - His Name - for believers to use. It is ONLY the name of Jesus Christ that will make a demon bow the knee. And firstly, a person must forsake sin and forgive others in his life that have hurt him (her). Only then can one be free from the "tormentors". So, pre-deliverance often involves some ministry with individuals and some turning from things as well as healing/forgiveness.

I was called once to do a deliverance where the 250 pound young man had demons of rage that sounded like multiple voices talking at the same time. Extremely loud and like the movies! The neighbors called the police because of the noise coming from the house. I had to do deliverance in front of police officers...who were more than happy to leave us with a violent man and get out of dodge--fast! The person who had been trying to do the deliverance had made the mistake to engage in conversation and "quarrel" with the demon. You must confidently take authority over them in the name of Jesus. They hate to have to look in your eyes...if you are born-again you have the Holy Spirit resident in you and your eyes are the window to your soul. I just commanded the demon to look into my eyes, and "Rage" began to back down and turn into a whimpering coward.

Demons generally come out on the breath. They like to make a scene, but you can forbid them from doing so. They like to hurt the person, or make them get worn out. If you like dramatics (like some well-known ministers do), then you let that occur. It is NOT necessary, and the demon should be denied any ability to do so. I make them come out on the breath...some come out with burps, coughs, yawns, moans. Occasionally, people will throw up. People even occasionally cry them out in their tears. They are spirits, so they normally come out on the breath. In the past couple of years, I have started to actually acquire the gift/ability to spiritually know where they are at in the body of the person. They will try to hide - or move around. Or come out slowly. People affirm to me that I am correct, or I will see some manifestation that confirms that the demon is doing what I perceived.

All believers should understand deliverance and be able to do deliverance. Jesus sent the 70 out in pairs to minister. We should also. Jesus said, "For this reason I came: to destroy the works of the devil." We are to do His works, in His name--as His followers.

There are many other good books on the market, much better than this. Try several books by the author of "Pigs in the Parlor". Their book on Curses is excellent.

William Schnoeblen was a Satanist, and they encountered the demonic while dabbling in rituals. In his book, he recounts getting scared, and his Satanist wife (who was raised in the Christian church in her youth), blurts out to the demon to GO! IN THE NAME OF JESUS! Even a Satanist can have authority over demons in the NAME above all names. So can the Catholic church. The Catholic priests can be demonized themselves and still cast demons out in others...no glory to them...only the the ONE who conquered, death, sin and the grave...JESUS! He deserves all glory and praise. And when He returns, there will be many who will come to Him and say, "Did we not do many mighty works in your name? Did we not cast out demons in your name?" And He has said in His Word, "Depart from me...you who practice lawlessness. I NEVER KNEW YOU."

So, more importantly than casting out demons, is to KNOW HIM and be KNOWN BY HIM.

I hope Malachi Martin got rid of all his "Jesuit" demons...I'm sure he has a bunch from just being involved with that bunch.

[Luv2Fall 0]

That's an opinion..........an opinion that anyone is free to have.......that's what is great about this thing called life.

[brits17 0]

Are the references you're listing from The Bible Code? I read that, its pretty incredible. Whether it has validity I'm not 100% sure, we'll see in 2006

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[PhillyKev 0]

Asked him that before. No, he's got his own code that WAYYYY more accurate.

[narcimund 0]

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Are the references you're listing from The Bible Code?

The Bible?? Who reads that any more? The true source of all great truths is the encoded references in [URL "http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html"]Moby Dick[/URL]

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[billvon 3,058]

>The true source of all great truths is the encoded references in Moby Dick.

And I thought it was to be found here at Speaker's Corner.