CBS Guard Documents Traced to Tex. Kinko's

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Okay, you guys have heard both sides.... you can do the research. With the latest story, what do you believe?

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Clicky no worky?

I think the CBS "documents" are forgeries, and CBS was deplorably irresponsible to not have them adequately authenticated prior to running with the story, and they are unforgivably unethical to not retract and renounce the story now that it is under such a cloud of dubiousness.

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Clicky no worky?

I think the CBS "documents" are forgeries, and CBS was deplorably irresponsible to not have them adequately authenticated prior to running with the story, and they are unforgivably unethical to not retract and renounce the story now that it is under such a cloud of dubiousnes-

They are forgeries, but still, CBS' actions have nothing to do with deporable irresponsibility.

Right now, thanks to CBS' lie, there are many less-than-brilliant liberal thinking people out there talking about Bush's lousy military service, and the facist machine's attempt to cover it up by besmearching CBS.

Mission accomplished.

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I believe that either way, if I wanted to maintain some form of anonymity as a source, I might fax them from some place like a Kinko's.

Obviously it would be stupid to fax them from your home or office, but if you pay cash at a Kinko's, then there is no record.

So, the Kinko's connection is really no help in determining the authenticity of the documents.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Obviously it would be stupid to fax them from your home or office, but if you pay cash at a Kinko's, then there is no record.

Naw. True anonymity would be to beige box it off of a 500 line green tree with a small fax machine running off of a power inverter in your car.

Translation: Make a phone cord with alligator clip ends, go to a large phone line access box, clip onto a random line, run the fax machine in your car using a power inverter to run the AC off of the cig lighter and BAM no one knows who or how.



Becoming fully anonymous via phone lines is very very VERY easy.

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Why go to all that trouble when nobody is going to remember who faxed what and when at a Kinko's?

They -might- have a record of how many faxes went out on a particular day, but if the Kinko's is busy enough to stay in business, then I seriously doubt they'd be able to give an accurate description of all of the people that used the fax machine over the course of a couple of hours.

I'm tellin' ya, it's where I send -all- my leaked documents from.

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[Zenister 0]

also going to that level of obscuration could imply that you DO have a hidden agenda. Why not use easily available public means of communication if your point is to get the message out there without revealing yourself as the contributor?

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[AggieDave 6]

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Why go to all that trouble when nobody is going to remember who faxed what and when at a Kinko's?

They have security cameras. Atleast the couple I've been to have them. Thus, there is a greater chance of being traced. Phone log via MaBell and the monthly bill to get the exact time of the fax and the video archive create a nice little match.

I was just making the point that possibly the person didn't want to have his/her ident remain a secret forever.

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I was just making the point that possibly the person didn't want to have his/her ident remain a secret forever.

Lemme think about that for a minute. If it was a Kerry loyalist trying to make GWB look bad then he'd go to extraordinary lengths to -never- be IDed. No?

So then, you're thinkin' it was a set up by the Karl Rove "Dirty Tricks" office? Leak a doc you know is fake to CBS and distract the public from the real issues while all along they get to say it's a dirty trick, which it is because they're the one that perpetrated it, so they ought to know. I mean, if it's real, then it seems like it's not a big deal anyway (pretty much no real news in the doc -- we all assumed he was a child of privilege and a coke user back then anyway), but if it's a fake, then doesn't it all seem a bit too convenient?

No other explanation would make sense.

Well, there is always the Kerry loyalist that is just totally incompetant at forging and covering his tracks, but then how do you explain the debunking web sites that went up within hours of the document's release.

It's all too confusing. Which I suppose is the point.

Unless it's real which is still within the realm of possibility.

What's-her-face, the secretary of What's-his-name, said -she- didn't type the doc, but she also says everything in it is -true-. So, where does that leave us? Maybe a temp typed it while she was out of the office one day?

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[AggieDave 6]

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temp typed it while she was out of the office one day?

Yeah, you've got to watch those temps, they do all sorts of things like take the last cup of coffee from the pot and not setup the makers to brew more, not flushing the toliet (I don't think they washed their hands either), forge military documents...man the list could go on and on.

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CBS was deplorably irresponsible to not have them adequately authenticated

Not adequately authenticated? At least two of CBS's document examiners told them that they were likely forgeries. They had them authenticated (or not) and ran with the story anyway. Hell, I'm still waiting for CBS to release the name of their 'unimpeachable' source.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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Obviously it would be stupid to fax them from your home or office, but if you pay cash at a Kinko's, then there is no record.

Naw. True anonymity would be to beige box it off of a 500 line green tree with a small fax machine running off of a power inverter in your car.

Translation: Make a phone cord with alligator clip ends, go to a large phone line access box, clip onto a random line, run the fax machine in your car using a power inverter to run the AC off of the cig lighter and BAM no one knows who or how.



Becoming fully anonymous via phone lines is very very VERY easy.

I knew it was you sending me all of those nasty faxes!!! Man, you need a hobby, a legal one that is

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Uh, the idea was that if the documents are -real- then that only leaves somebody like a temp that would have typed them. Makes about as much sense as any other explanation -- which is to say, not a lot, but still within the realm of possibilities.

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CBS was deplorably irresponsible to not have them adequately authenticated

Not adequately authenticated? At least two of CBS's document examiners told them that they were likely forgeries. They had them authenticated (or not) and ran with the story anyway. Hell, I'm still waiting for CBS to release the name of their 'unimpeachable' source.

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Uh, the idea was that if the documents are -real- then that only leaves somebody like a temp that would have typed them. Makes about as much sense as any other explanation -- which is to say, not a lot, but still within the realm of possibilities.

Realm of possibilities? You know they always give the latest and greatest typewriter (assuming they even had one) to the temp to do the work that was ordinarily assigned to the person with shitty typewriter. Possible only by grasping at straws.

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Clicky no worky?

I think the CBS "documents" are forgeries, and CBS was deplorably irresponsible to not have them adequately authenticated prior to running with the story, and they are unforgivably unethical to not retract and renounce the story now that it is under such a cloud of dubiousnes-

They are forgeries, but still, CBS' actions have nothing to do with deporable irresponsibility.

Right now, thanks to CBS' lie, there are many less-than-brilliant liberal thinking people out there talking about Bush's lousy military service, and the facist machine's attempt to cover it up by besmearching CBS.

Mission accomplished.

By the same token, though, there are also a lot of liberals AND independents who are seeing the light right now and will likely vote for Bush. Plus for the pres? I think so...which means that the dumbass who pulled the stunt to begin with is seeing it backfire and is probably kicking himself in the ass right now!

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[jazzjumper 0]

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They -might- have a record of how many faxes went out on a particular day, but if the Kinko's is busy enough to stay in business, then I seriously doubt they'd be able to give an accurate description of all of the people that used the fax machine over the course of a couple of hours.

I think the point of the story was that, "...There is only one Kinko's in Abilene, and it is 21 miles from the Baird, Texas, home of retired Texas National Guard officer Bill Burkett, who has been named by several news outlets as a possible source for the documents..." So the link (from a disgruntled guard officer, who is also on Kerry's payroll) is made a bit stronger.

Now here is a link that works.

I guess my poll gets to the heart of what you feel after hearing all of it. The facts are all over the place....I mean the secretary who said she didn't type it but knows the substance is true? What the hell is that all about? I mean, we (the military) talks about all kinds of things to our bosses, especially ones we get along with. The frankness of a conversation could go like this but not be reported:

PILOT: Sir, I've been asked to help on a political campaign and would like to pursue a leave of absense to work on it for a few months.

COMMANDER(CC); Well, how many points do you have built up?

PILOT: More than enough to satisfy my Guard committment for the fiscal year.

CC: So the points aren't an issue...but what about returning to flying when you get back?

PILOT: Since the deuce is slated to be taken out of service, I'd have to train on another jet.

CC: What are your future plans, are you going to stick with the Guard, or maybe try to go active duty?

PILOT: No sir, I think I'll separate once my commitment is up.

CC: Well, then retraining on another aircraft is out of the question. We don't need to waste the resources on you if you're just going to leave. But you do have this flight physical that you need to accomplish to maintain your flying status.

PILOT: Good point, but why go through the whole process if I'm not going to fly anymore? Once I get back from the campaign, I only have a few months of Guard committment left. I'll have to get recurrent on an aircraft that might be gone by then and then separate. Why not let the sticks who are going to stay around get the time.

CC: Not a bad idea...we'll see how it all works out.
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Now, I'm not saying that is how it happened, but you could twist anyones words to mean what you want. Frankly, this is a discussion I've hear from pilots and others over the years, and there is nothing wrong with having them with your CC. Everyone who knew them says Bush and his CC had a great relationship, so there would be no reason to think Bush wouldn't be frank with him.

It's as plausable as any other story I've heard of.

The funny thing is, even if it were true this scenario would hold no ramifications even today for a guard pilot. This is what makes me believe that the Kerry camp attempted this to get focus off the Swift Boat Vets (which worked...but in a bad way.)

And if you think Karl Rove is responsible for this... pass the blunt to the guy next to you. You've had too much.

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If someone is swayed by a memo and not the policy and plans that each canidate has layed out then they really are'nt paying attention to the voting process.

DING

Problem is, that is what can swing close elections.

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[txblondie 0]

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If someone is swayed by a memo and not the policy and plans that each canidate has layed out then they really are'nt paying attention to the voting process.

That's true, and I think that people should understand WHY they are voting a certain way before they vote; what I'm saying is that this is dirty politics any way you look at it, and that makes the liberal side of the fence look bad, therefore giving an extra edge to the conservative vote.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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If someone is swayed by a memo and not the policy and plans that each canidate has layed out then they really are'nt paying attention to the voting process.

That's true, and I think that people should understand WHY they are voting a certain way before they vote; what I'm saying is that this is dirty politics any way you look at it, and that makes the liberal side of the fence look bad, therefore giving an extra edge to the conservative vote.

Yes, because no dirty politics come from the conservative side of the fense. Please spare me. Neither side can claim the high road.

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If someone is swayed by a memo and not the policy and plans that each canidate has layed out then they really are'nt paying attention to the voting process.

That's true, and I think that people should understand WHY they are voting a certain way before they vote; what I'm saying is that this is dirty politics any way you look at it, and that makes the liberal side of the fence look bad, therefore giving an extra edge to the conservative vote.

Yes, because no dirty politics come from the conservative side of the fense. Please spare me. Neither side can claim the high road.

I didn't say one way or the other about the conservatives playing dirty; I was addressing the current issue at hand, which IS a plus for the conservatives. I'm sure there are a few things going against them, as well, but this is a positive for them and a negative for liberals. That's the only statement I've made.

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If someone is swayed by a memo and not the policy and plans that each canidate has layed out then they really are'nt paying attention to the voting process.

Which, of course, is why we see websites and bumper stickets and posters saying "Anyone but Bush", right?

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If someone is swayed by a memo and not the policy and plans that each canidate has layed out then they really are'nt paying attention to the voting process.

Sorry, should it say "Anyone's policies but Bush's" because that's how I feel.
Which, of course, is why we see websites and bumper stickets and posters saying "Anyone but Bush", right?

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If someone is swayed by a memo and not the policy and plans that each canidate has layed out then they really are'nt paying attention to the voting process.

It's not the memo that's going to sway people, it's the blatent dishonesty, it's trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public, it's the disrespect of the process . . . The memo means nothing.

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