R. Kelly ? WTF?

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This guy is an accused child pornagrapher.

But - He was the entertainment at the congressional Black Caucus?

What does this say about that orginization, and it's beliefs and standards?

I know SOME of the law makers weren't happy - but WTF?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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In an even better story...

At UNC's school of journalism Jayon Blair was the guest speaker for the AT Wistin Salam Unv. To talk to blacks about Journalism and ethics....

WTF--- Why should this guy be paid anything to talk even if he is bad mouthing himself? This guy is saying.... Lie and Cheat, it worked for me!!!!

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Is he related to R. Kelly?

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I was going to make the same comment, but I let it go....LOL.

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Am I the ONLY one here that has a problem with this?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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accused.

innocent until proven guilty remember? or do you think we should repeal a few of our fundamental principles just because the crime you are accused of is socially repugnant?

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accused.

innocent until proven guilty remember? or do you think we should repeal a few of our fundamental principles just because the crime you are accused of is socially repugnant?

Wouldn't you find it more prudent to distance yourselves from people like this? These are the leaders of our country. These are the people that make our laws.

What will happen to their reputations if he IS proven guilty?

Would you let your family be around someone like this?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Guess what.. till he's found gulity he's got no criminal record. If he is convicted then its another story but the great thing about our legal system is you are innocent till proven beyond a shadow of doubt that you are guilty.

Do I think they could have chosen a better person? Yes.

What would happen if your best friend was found guilty of drug smuggling? Would your reputation be harmed?

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if you start taking any action against an accused criminal, that you would not against anyone else, you are treating them as if they have been tried and convicted. You are already judging and finding them guilty them without benifit of a fair trial. might as well start shooting everyone accused of any crime and throw away our entire legal system and its protection of an individuals rights.

What is most prudent is to continue to honor and respect the fundamental principles of our legal system. If (their) reputation suffers as the result of him being later proven guilty it is only because others are now throwing those same principles away as well. Which is a FAR greater crime to our society.

absolutely, unlike you apparently, i dont judge someone without evidence or conviction. There is also the matter of intent in this particular case, which in no way excuses him from guilt (if convicted) but certainly affects how he should be treated in the interm.

I'm not defending him, i havent seen the evidence and will never make conclusions without it, I AM defending the fundamental principle of innocent until proven guilty.

what part of innocent dont you grasp? if you treat someone accused of a crime in anyway different from someone not accused, you are taking away that status without cause.

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Guess what.. till he's found gulity he's got no criminal record. If he is convicted then its another story but the great thing about our legal system is you are innocent till proven beyond a shadow of doubt that you are guilty.

Do I think they could have chosen a better person? Yes.

What would happen if your best friend was found guilty of drug smuggling? Would your reputation be harmed?

If I was a member of congress, and had the entire 50 states judging me and my actions - you are damned right it would - expecially if I had touted his beliefs and cozied up with him in front of the entire world.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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If I was a member of congress, and had the entire 50 states judging me

if anyone judges you because you supported the fundamental principles of our legal system when there was no evidence, no conviction, no compelling reason (vs blatant emotional outrage) not to, they are simply stupid, ignorant fools who dont deserve those same protections. Fortunately for them, they have them anyway.

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So, would you let your kids play with this guy? Nieces, nephews? Unsupervised?

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So, tell me - if this guy was your friend, would you let him babysit for you?

My point is that, as sad as it is, everyone of reasonable intelligence would distance themselves from this guy until they see what happens. It's not going to offend anyone if he is was not persued by the congressional black caucus. Noone would have even known he was being considered.

It was blatant. It was concise. The decision was made by those in the power of the CONGRESSIONAL black congress to, not just avoid distancing a potentially damaging personality into their ranks, rather, embracing them and praising the fact that they did.

Yes, I am fully aware of innocent until proven guilty. But I am also a fan of common sense. Which in this case says that there is no way that I would let anyone that I love near this guy until someone proves to me one way or another if what he is accused of he is guilty of. Until then, I would want nothing to do with him, if ONLY to protect my family from what possibilities are there.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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If I was a member of congress, and had the entire 50 states judging me

if anyone judges you because you supported the fundamental principles of our legal system when there was no evidence, no conviction, no compelling reason (vs blatant emotional outrage) not to, they are simply stupid, ignorant fools who dont deserve those same protections. Fortunately for them, they have them anyway.

So, you advocate their decision - you embrace their decision? Or are you just arguing because you think you can?

You make me laugh.

Do you think for one minute that the politicians and public figures here are not under a proverbial microscope?

Do you think that their actons are immune to natural reaction?

Do you really think that most americans - or people of any given country are capable as a whole to NOT judge someone by what they are accused of as opposed to what they did?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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So, would you let your kids play with this guy? Nieces, nephews? Unsupervised?

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no because he's an ignorant, spoiled, pop star. I dont like his character and never did even before this story hit the news. But not because of the accusations made against him.

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Do you think that their actons are immune to natural reaction?

Do you really think that most americans - or people of any given country are capable as a whole to NOT judge someone by what they are accused of as opposed to what they did?

there is alot of ignorance in the world, we shouldnt be pandering to it.

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But not because of the accusations made against him.

You're either lying, naive, or . . .

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So, tell me - if this guy was your friend, would you let him babysit for you?

I thought he was there to play a song, not babysit anyone.

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Do you think that their actons are immune to natural reaction?

Do you really think that most americans - or people of any given country are capable as a whole to NOT judge someone by what they are accused of as opposed to what they did?

there is alot of ignorance in the world, we shouldnt be pandering to it.

I see - you argue to argue.
It seems that you will do whatever it takes to disagree with me.
That's a shame.

I answered your question, directly and honestly.

So I ask you again, say for instance, he was your friend and he normally took care of your kids . . . You find out he has been indicted on 14 counts of child pornagraphy . . . do you still invite him over to influence your family, and promote his values?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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So, tell me - if this guy was your friend, would you let him babysit for you?

I thought he was there to play a song, not babysit anyone.

Ok - so I rephrase as i did in a susequent post. . . . if this guy was your friend, would you let him, knowing that he has been indicted for 14 counts of child pornography, and all the details that go along with it, would you let him influence your children and instill his values, much as he does with his music.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I'm not too familiar with his music. But if he has songs about child pornography, that's a relevant point. If not, I don't see the connection.

Edit to add.

Actually, either way, it's still irrelevant. It's two different questions.

Would I invite someone over to babysit my kids that I knew would promote chld pornography? No.

Would I invite someone to sing songs unrelated to child pornography if they were accused of having it? Sure, if I liked their music.

Hell, find one musician, who actually has decent music that would be a good role model.

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I'm not too familiar with his music. But if he has songs about child pornography, that's a relevant point. If not, I don't see the connection.

Really?
That is truely amazing.

You don't see the connection to how a person influences though music and lyrics and life style and role modeling, expecially to children? I am amazed that you can't make those connections.

What was your role model growing up - what style did you follow - even if remotely?

What influence did or does music have in your life?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Does he or does he not have songs about child pornography? If not, what influence are you referring to?

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My role model was someone that got DUI's, snorted coke and got rich!

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Does he or does he not have songs about child pornography? If not, what influence are you referring to?

I don't know and don't care to know.
Why are you skirting the question?

I'll repeat the question - just incase you need to reread it.

"If this guy was your friend, would you let him, knowing that he has been indicted for 14 counts of child pornography, and all the details that go along with it, would you let him influence your children and instill his values, much as he does with his music."

Concentrating on the lyrical content of his music does nothing toward answering the question. Why are the questions so hard for you and Kallend to answer? It is a yes or no answer.

So I'll even make it easier for you to try for a yes or no.

"If this guy was your friend, would you let him, knowing that he has been indicted for 14 counts of child pornography, and all the details that go along with it, would you let him influence your children and instill his values."

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun