Jimbo 0 #26 September 17, 2004 QuoteBeing "green" does'nt have to cost that much in the long term, and it actully can help increase sales. "Being green" isn't cheap. Have you ever wondered why not a single oil company has built a refinery in the US in the past 20 years? Ever wonder why the refineries that are here are closing, instead of being refurbed with the newest 'environmentally friendly' equipment? Did you know that we are actually importing gasoline now? That's one single example, if pressed I'm sure I could find more. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #27 September 17, 2004 QuoteWhich means higher prices for everyone... which makes environmental issues a big hot potato when it comes to clamping down... Not if the government makes the upgrades a tax writeoff.. Which they should.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #28 September 17, 2004 QuoteDumb bastards!! I guess when our cities go up in smoke they will take notice.. But then it will be too late. Both candidates are dumb bastards.. I just feel Bush is spreading our armed forces too this.. He is in denial about Iraq. He is allowing pollution to get even more out of control. Maybe I'll vote for Bush? What do you think? If you vote for Bush, you get "forces spread thin." If you vote for Kerry, you get "forces cut, bases closed, military weakened until it is politically correct and neutered in power." I report. You decide. Blue skies, -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AirMail 0 #29 September 18, 2004 Am I in the wrong forum? I thought this was The Bonfire. P--- It's never too late to have a happy childhood. Postal Rodriguez, Muff 3342 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #30 September 18, 2004 QuoteAm I in the wrong forum? I thought this was The Bonfire. P- Dude, if you post that in a couple more threads, I think they're gonna lock you into "Skydivers with Disabilities." -Jeffrey --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #31 September 18, 2004 drinking? pat you crack me up_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #32 September 18, 2004 QuoteNot if the government makes the upgrades a tax writeoff.. Which they should.. Even a tax write-off doesn't pay for (and wouldn't begin to pay for) the cost of the upgrade. A tax credit would, but then what does one do about the lost revenue? I'm curious, Rhino, why do you think that any tax relief should be given? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #33 September 18, 2004 QuoteIf you vote for Bush, you get "forces spread thin." If you vote for Kerry, you get "forces cut, bases closed, military weakened until it is politically correct and neutered in power." You also get a guy who rides around in SUVs....ROFL...my favorite demonstration of "flipping" and "flopping." Hey, Rhino, I didn't think you even voted. At least you're exercising your rights now. Good deal. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #34 September 18, 2004 >"Being green" isn't cheap. Agreed. That's why, in a capitalist society, you need laws to prevent abuses. If you didn't have environmental laws, you would have companies polluting as much as they possibly could, because it's cheaper to not clean up after yourself. >Have you ever wondered why not a single oil company has built a >refinery in the US in the past 20 years? Because they have no need to. There is no competition for gasoline; the oil companies make more money by keeping supply constant and allowing demand to increase. Simple economics. Once we have real alternatives (biodiesel, electric, methane etc) then they will be forced to compete or go under. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #35 September 19, 2004 I heard a rumor.. I am looking for confirmation... That 75% or Arab Americans are voting for Kerry? Does anyone know if this is even close to being true and why? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #36 September 19, 2004 Quote including many from nations with populations hostile to the U.S. - Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran and Iraq. I wonder if the native Americans thought something similar when the white settlers kept showing up in bigger and bigger numbers? I'm asking this in general because it just seems to me that when the illegal immigrants are white nobody seems to mind as much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #37 September 20, 2004 QuoteWhile Iagree we need to stop supporting illegal aliens.... You think Kerry will do this? I don't. He is socalist. He will let them in and given them MORE rights. What rubbish. Why do illegals come here? Because small business owners who are predominantly Republican hire them because they work for less pay than legal workers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #38 September 21, 2004 Quote I wonder if the native Americans thought something similar when the white settlers kept showing up in bigger and bigger numbers? I'm asking this in general because it just seems to me that when the illegal immigrants are white nobody seems to mind as much. Spot on! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #39 September 21, 2004 QuoteWhat rubbish. Why do illegals come here? Because small business owners who are predominantly Republican hire them because they work for less pay than legal workers. The Dems are the ones that want to give ILLEGAL aliens helth care paid for by you and I. Give then Drivers licenses....? I though driving was a privalige, not a right? Get real John...The Dems support Illegals more than the Repubs."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #40 September 21, 2004 QuoteThe Dems are the ones that want to give ILLEGAL aliens helth care paid for by you and I. Ummm, BUSH is the one who campaigned on and pushed through legislation to give illegals automatic citizenship if they can manage to sneak into the country and stay here for an extended period of time. Last I checked, he wasn't a democrat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #41 September 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat rubbish. Why do illegals come here? Because small business owners who are predominantly Republican hire them because they work for less pay than legal workers. The Dems are the ones that want to give ILLEGAL aliens helth care paid for by you and I. Give then Drivers licenses....? I though driving was a privalige, not a right? Get real John...The Dems support Illegals more than the Repubs. You "logic" defies description. Why would the party of the working class support illegal workers who take away their jobs. The folks that encourage illegals are the employers who hire them. That is why GWB is making it easier for illegals.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #42 September 21, 2004 QuoteYou "logic" defies description. Why would the party of the working class support illegal workers who take away their jobs. The folks that encourage illegals are the employers who hire them. That is why GWB is making it easier for illegals. Look at California...They want to grant DL to illegals. Arnnie wants to make the license a special license...The Dems don't want that. The Dems are trying to give illegals health care...Why should I pay for an illegal aliens health care?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #43 September 21, 2004 >Arnnie wants to make the license a special license...The Dems don't want that. Well, I don't want that. Illegal aliens should get a quick bus ride back to Mexico, not a license. A republican governor is pushing to give them licensese, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #44 September 21, 2004 QuoteWell, I don't want that. Illegal aliens should get a quick bus ride back to Mexico, not a license. A republican governor is pushing to give them licensese, eh? No, the DEMS are pushing for the license..Arnnie wants them to not have a regular license...But he sees that the Dems are gonna push it anyway. So he is not allowing it, and the DEMS are trying anyway."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #45 September 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou "logic" defies description. Why would the party of the working class support illegal workers who take away their jobs. The folks that encourage illegals are the employers who hire them. That is why GWB is making it easier for illegals. Look at California...They want to grant DL to illegals. Arnnie wants to make the license a special license...The Dems don't want that. The Dems are trying to give illegals health care...Why should I pay for an illegal aliens health care? You shouldn't. You refuse to answer the most basic question, WHY ARE THEY HERE? Because employers give them jobs, that's why, and that's why your party won't do anything about it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #46 September 21, 2004 QuoteYou refuse to answer the most basic question, WHY ARE THEY HERE? Because employers give them jobs, that's why, and that's why your party won't do anything about it. And everytime MY party tries to boot them out, YOUR party cries out about civil rights... If they are illegal, they should not have the rigths a citizen has. They should only be given the right to a safe ride back to where they came. But the liberals will never go for that."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #47 September 21, 2004 >But the liberals will never go for that. I'm a liberal, and I go for that - so you may have to modify your opinion a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #48 September 21, 2004 Ditto. And not only that, I think they should be incarcerated first at a work prison to pay for their incarceration and the ride back. Otherwise they just come back over and get themselves caught whenever they want a lift back home. Either that, or bill Mexico for it to encourage them to police their own borders a little better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #49 September 21, 2004 me too. if someone doesn't respect the country enough to follow its laws and processes for immigration, they don't deserve to be here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #50 September 21, 2004 Quote>But the liberals will never go for that. I'm a liberal, and I go for that - so you may have to modify your opinion a bit. Maybe you should get on John for his generalizations? I am a Rebublican and I don't want illegal aliens here to work in my company."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
