Trent 0 #1 September 26, 2004 *sigh* Do you think that since America bashing is a worldwide pastime, that one day history will educate these jack-offs? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html Quote NELSON, British Columbia — After burning their draft cards during the Vietnam War, tens of thousands of Americans avoided jail by fleeing to Canada. Many settled in the small town of Nelson, British Columbia (search), just across the Washington state border. Now, 30 years later, the mayor of Nelson and some other Canadians are planning to honor the draft dodgers with a two-day festival and a larger-than-life monument depicting a Canadian helping two scared American men. Though the festival and statue unveiling are still two years away, the war of words is just beginning. Veterans of Foreign Wars (search) leaders are outraged by the monument, as are others in the United States who see the plan as a slap in the face. Some have written to Nelson officials to say they’ll never visit the town again. The Canadian government did nothing to discourage Americans from heading north of the border so many years ago. In fact, then Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau (search) rolled out the red carpet, saying the draft dodgers had his complete sympathy. Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #2 September 26, 2004 What an appropriate time to yank our chain. Honor the ones lost; not the ones who fled.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 September 26, 2004 Well, we've elected a draft dodger as our president before, none other than El Jefe Clintonista. I respect their right to express themselves as they see fit. Freedom of speech, press, religion and assembly are quite important. I think we should use our freedom of choice to boycott that jackoff town and any products it produces. I mean not even stop for gas on the way through. Perhaps letters to the editor of their local paper, their mayor, the governor of the province the town is located in, etc. displaying our disgust with the statue would also be in order. Disgusting. Perhaps if Monsieur sKerry is elected, he'll set things aright....bwaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha...not. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 1 #4 September 26, 2004 I don't agree with the town's idea of honouring draft dodgers. Is that what they are doing? Or are they homouring the ideal of one human helping another? I thought that was one of the things Americans prided themselves in! Along with freedom to choose one's one destiny, freedom of speach, freedom of religion (wern't some of these draft dodgers for religious reasons?) And all the other valid and hounorable ideals upon which The US was founded? Go ahead and write letters and boycot gas pumps, that's part of your freedoms. But if that little town in Canada want's a statue, that's part of thier freedoms. Most of which are the part of the valid and honourable ideals upon which Canada was founded. Canada has always accepted people who fled the US for the freedoms they felt they would find in the north. Starting with the revolutionary war, through the slave years, and including the Viet Nam era. Disgusting? I don't agree with you. As is part of my free choice to do.Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #5 September 26, 2004 Yes, they take those who flee from other places as well. Years ago, 60 minutes reported that Nazi immigrants still live there unpunished. Wonder if they will build a statue for them.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #6 September 26, 2004 Draft dodging not disgusting? Think that if you like. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #7 September 26, 2004 QuoteWell, we've elected a draft dodger as our president before, none other than El Jefe Clintonista. Then there are Cheney, Ashcroft, and the guy who pulled strings to serve (or not) his time defending Texas and Alabama from invasion by the Viet Cong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #8 September 27, 2004 QuoteNazi immigrants still live there unpunished The US took their share of Nazi immigrants, they went unpunished as well, hell they even paid them lots of money to make your crappy ICBMs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #9 September 27, 2004 Deferments and national guard service are not draft dodging. They are draft avoiding. Kind of like taxes. Tax evasion is illegal. Tax avoidance is highly recommended. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #10 September 27, 2004 QuoteDeferments and national guard service are not draft dodging. They are draft avoiding. Kind of like taxes. Tax evasion is illegal. Tax avoidance is highly recommended. Hi Anvil I dodged the the draft in 1966 by joining the U.S. Air force. College deferments were only available to people who could afford to attend college or had excellant grades and could get one of the few scholarships. In N.Y. state the waiting list for the natiaonal guard was way to long. like yr's. From the time I turned 18 I had about 12 month's to figure out how to avoid the draft or get drafted. BTW I did get a deferment at my draft physical. Classificication 1SH. The physical took place at the famous "Whitehall st." for those of you who have seen the movie Alices resturant (group W bench) Arlo Guthrie. How do you get a 1SH deferment on your draft card? Easy if your 18yo and still in H.S. In 6 month's it automaticaly changes to 1A. In 1966 all you had to do was call up the local draft board give them your registration number with a classification of 1A and they could give you a estimated date you were going to be "ripped from the arms of your mommy or sweetheart" to do your duty and protect your country from the dirty commie's bastards in SEA and the domino theory. Deferments and openings in the National guard Back then were only for Folks that were rich 2S, had the right stuff (Connections) or had serius problems that couldn't be overlooked 4F. Personaly I don't have any problems with the dirty yellow cowards who split for canada to "dodge the draft" I've got problems with the rich and powerful who dodged the draft, by going to college 2S deferment or jumping the line at the National guard because they showed a special talent. Wonder what happened to the poor slob who was next in line? BTW I still have my Draft Card from 1965. which is against the law. We were required to turn them in when we went into the service of our country. If there's going to be a draft sign everyone up regardless of race, gender or social econimic and do a draft by a lottery system. What the hell, lots of people like to play lotto are you willing to do it with your childrens lives or limbs? Anyone have a kid thats15- 16 YO now. If there's a draft their going to be playing in the big lotto of life because the "War on Terror" won't be over by the time their of draft age. Conservative, liberal, elephant or donkey, right or left wing, rich or poor, don't mean nothing, your in the army now. Trust of we're from the gov't and we're here to help you. Draft one Draft them allR.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #11 September 27, 2004 QuoteDeferments and national guard service are not draft dodging. They are draft avoiding. Isn't that the "draft dodging" of the rich? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #12 September 27, 2004 Sigh.... And on the day that we know as "Gold Star Mother's Day". To honor the mothers who have lost their sons and daughters in war. Did you fly your flag today in their honor? QuotePresident Franklin Roosevelt in 1936 designated the last Sunday in September as Gold Star Mothers Day. http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/yrtwn/seast/245seyt2.htm ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 September 27, 2004 Quote I think we should use our freedom of choice to... not even stop for gas on the way through. Stop long enough in the middle of the night to paint a yellow stripe down the back of the statue... That freedom of speech symbolism should be just as important as the freedom of speech symbolism of their statue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #14 September 27, 2004 QuoteSigh.... And on the day that we know as "Gold Star Mother's Day". To honor the mothers who have lost their sons and daughters in war. Did you fly your flag today in their honor? What's that got to do with the statue?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #15 September 27, 2004 Quote... But if that little town in Canada want's a statue, that's part of thier freedoms. Most of which are the part of the valid and honourable ideals upon which Canada was founded. Canada has always accepted people who fled the US for the freedoms they felt they would find in the north. Starting with the revolutionary war, through the slave years, and including the Viet Nam era. Disgusting? I don't agree with you. As is part of my free choice to do. Wouldn't it seem more reasonable to honor the Canadians who came to the US to train with our soldiers to go to Vietnam for what they felt was a good cause? How about honoring the Canadian veterans that Canada sent to Vietnam? Oh wait, sorry... it's much cooler to subtly say "fuck you" to the US nowadays. My bad.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #16 September 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteSigh.... And on the day that we know as "Gold Star Mother's Day". To honor the mothers who have lost their sons and daughters in war. Did you fly your flag today in their honor? What's that got to do with the statue? One honors those who disgraced our country. The other honors those who fought and died for it. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncrowe 0 #17 September 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteNazi immigrants still live there unpunished The US took their share of Nazi immigrants, they went unpunished as well, hell they even paid them lots of money to make your crappy ICBMs. Not too mention ,win the race to the moon. "Don't Mess Around With the Guy in Shades- Oh No!!! " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #18 September 27, 2004 Another take on it, not quite as right-wing and indignant as Fox: http://www.stdbonline.com/index.cfm?action=news.issues.article&id=wed/av/Ucanada-draftdodgers.RRTA_ES8.html QuoteClariNet story from C-upi@clari.net (United Press International) 09/08/2004 20:45:32 PRINT THIS ARTICLE E-MAIL THIS ARTICLE NELSON, British Columbia, Sept. 8 (UPI) -- Activists in British Columbia plan to erect a sculpture honoring Americans who sought refuge in Canada to avoid the draft during the Vietnam War. Artists in Nelson, B.C., created the bronze memorial to tie into a two-day July 2006 celebration saluting the 125,000 Americans who fled to Canada between 1964 and 1977, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported Wednesday. "This will mark the courageous legacy of Vietnam War resisters and the Canadians who helped them resettle in this country during that tumultuous era," said Isaac Romano, director of the Our Way Home festival, during a Tuesday news conference. The event will also honor those who have left the U.S. armed forces to protest the war in Iraq, he said. Thousands of Vietnam resisters returned to the United States after former President Jimmy Carter granted them amnesty in 1977, but the 1986 census showed half of them remained in Canada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,444 #19 September 27, 2004 When we take a "we'll do what's best for us and if you don't like it tough" pose, then we have to expect other countries to do the same thing. Same as in the real world -- don't you know anyone who is always willing to express an opinion loudly, and then can't understand why everyone else doesn't agree with it? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #20 September 27, 2004 Does Canada honor one person helping another who is selling him drugs? Does Canada honor one person helping another who is driving getaway for a robbery? Does Canada honor one person helping another who is laundering illegal money? I could go on with my list of felonies, but in my mind none of them are as low as deserting your country when it calls for your help. You call it help, I call it aiding and abetting a felon.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 September 27, 2004 QuoteYou call it help, I call it aiding and abetting a felon. Yep, just like all those people in the underground railroad that helped slaves escape to the north. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #22 September 27, 2004 You know Kev, I expected a whining liberal to pull that out, not you. (Tuna bite your tongue ) Are you really going to compare draft dodgers to slaves in the US? I expect better from you, I really do.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #23 September 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteNazi immigrants still live there unpunished The US took their share of Nazi immigrants, they went unpunished as well, hell they even paid them lots of money to make your crappy ICBMs. You're right. Wernher Von Braun, the most famous, got us to the moon. No doubt slave labor was used to construct missiles and facilities. Is it fair to compare him and his fellow scientists to the Nazi butchers that were hunted down and deported? Those "crappy" ICBMs saved us and most of Western Europe from speaking Russian. A lot have been dismantled since the cold war and maybe all of them will be gone someday.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 September 27, 2004 QuoteAre you really going to compare draft dodgers to slaves in the US? Me? No, not personally. But I would imagine that many people have the view that they were helping people escape from an oppressive gov't that was attempting to forcibly induct them into an army fighting an unjust war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #25 September 27, 2004 QuoteMe? No, not personally. But I would imagine that many people have the view that they were helping people escape from an oppressive gov't that was attempting to forcibly induct them into an army fighting an unjust war. And I would imagine that many people wear aluminum foil hats to prevent government satellites from controlling their minds. What's your point?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
