Gun Discrimination

[kelel01 1]

Let me make one thing clear-- I don't have anything against guns. I'm not an "anti-gun" liberal. I'm not even a "pro-choice" liberal. But schools have their own rules, and I don't see how not allowing a picture of a kid with a gun oversteps their normal bounds. They can do a random locker search, for pete's sake. You guys need to quit crying about this.

[Ron 10]

Did you bother to read the article?

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Has the "offending" picture been published anywhere? I can think of photos with guns that would be quite offensive, and photos with guns that would be quite appropriate.

Attached is a recreation of the picture. The kid in the picture is THE kid.

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In that discussion, Juster predicted the photo would be deemed “inappropriate,” considering the school’s zero-tolerance policy on violence, drugs and alcohol

How the hell is that picture violent? I mean I could understand if he was pointing the gun at the camera, or was holding the head of a human....But geeze get real folks.

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Said Elefante: “I just felt that the picture with the skeet shooting rifle was something that should not be in a yearbook, and it would be something that would create controversy.”

But Dean vehemently disagrees, yesterday saying that likening a gun to violence has “no basis.”

“That’s irrational, there’s no reasoning or thought behind it,” she said. “Some schools have trapshooting as part of the curriculum.”

“And the school logo has a Lancer with a lance weapon,” she said.

Its getting silly.

Then they should remove the weapon from the mascot....That is inappropriate.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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Let me make one thing clear-- I don't have anything against guns. I'm not an "anti-gun" liberal. I'm not even a "pro-choice" liberal. But schools have their own rules, and I don't see how not allowing a picture of a kid with a gun oversteps their normal bounds. They can do a random locker search, for pete's sake. You guys need to quit crying about this.

Then you had better remove the history books; they are full of guns.

And the mascot should be disarmed...I mean we can't have a violent, armed mascot can we?

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You guys need to quit crying about this.

If this had been some liberal issue that was censored, you guys would be up in arms about it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kelel01 1]

I already gave you a perfect example of a liberal issue that would be understood, because, and I'll say it again, "Schools make their own rules". And "Some schools have trapshooting as part of their curriculum" does not indicate that that school does. If guns are not allowed on school property, why should they be in the yearbook? Got a pic of one of the administrators drinking a martini in it? Nope, didn't think so. Is it legal? Yes. Is it against the school's rules? YES. So should it be in the yearbook? NO.

[Ron 10]

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I already gave you a perfect example of a liberal issue that would be understood, because, and I'll say it again, "Schools make their own rules". And "Some schools have trapshooting as part of their curriculum" does not indicate that that school does. If guns are not allowed on school property, why should they be in the yearbook? Got a pic of one of the administrators drinking a martini in it? Nope, didn't think so. Is it legal? Yes. Is it against the school's rules? YES. So should it be in the yearbook? NO.

You would cry about it if it was a liberal issue being censored.

But since its a gun issue you are ok with it.

Like I said, if they have a problem with pictures of guns...Then the history books have to go.

And that mascot needs to be disarmed.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[wmw999 2,514]

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If this had been some liberal issue that was censored, you guys would be up in arms about it.

Ron, there's a thread down just a few lines about a kid who had his pants duct-taped because a teacher thought he could see the underpants.

That's about free expression too -- freedom to wear what you want to. And the school's rule against it is pretty arbitrary (my son's school didn't have one quite like that one).

There aren't a lot of liberals whining about it -- most of them say "schools have rules, some of them suck, such is life."

Personally, I can't see anything wrong with that picture. I'd take the school board on personally, though, and not sue them. That would also apply if it were a picture wearing a T-shirt advertising PETA.

And I think you probably consider me to be a liberal

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kelel01 1]

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You would cry about it if it was a liberal issue being censored.

But since its a gun issue you are ok with it.

Like I said, if they have a problem with pictures of guns...Then the history books have to go.

And that mascot needs to be disarmed.

WOW. You officially win the prize for WORST ARGUMENT EVER.

It's not about a picture of a gun-- it's about a picture of a student holding a gun in the yearbook, which represents the school and its student body. History books having guns in them could not be more irrelevant.

And I'm pretty darn sure their mascot doesn't carry a gun.

[Ron 10]

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That's about free expression too -- freedom to wear what you want to. And the school's rule against it is pretty arbitrary (my son's school didn't have one quite like that one).

Did you see a rule about not being allowed to have a picture of a gun? I didn't.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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WOW. You officially win the prize for WORST ARGUMENT EVER.

Your opinon only.

You like double standards when they HELP you.

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It's not about a picture of a gun-- it's about a picture of a student holding a gun in the yearbook, which represents the school and its student body. History books having guns in them could not be more irrelevant.

Nope, its about a student wanting a picture of himself in the yearbook with a piece of sports equipment that he is known for. And some liberal cry baby nnot liking it since it is a firearm.

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And I'm pretty darn sure their mascot doesn't carry a gun.

Nope, he carries a lance. Which is also a weapon that you could not take to school...But it is representative of the school...It is more "Violent" than the pic of the student. Lances were not used for sport.

The sad thing is you can't even admit that you are using a double standard.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kelel01 1]

No, the sad thing is that you can't see that this is the school's prerogative. It would take one crazy ass infringement on someone's civil liberties for me to think anything other than that. So again, SCHOOLS MAKE THEIR OWN RULES.

Fine, if they disarm the mascot, would that make you conservatives happy? Would it? NO!

[Ron 10]

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No, the sad thing is that you can't see that this is the school's prerogative. It would take one crazy ass infringement on someone's civil liberties for me to think anything other than that. So again, SCHOOLS MAKE THEIR OWN RULES.

No the sad thing is if it had been a picture of a fishing pole, or golf clubs it would be OK...But since it was a picture of a guy with an unloaded gun in a harmless carry position it is a big deal.

The sad thing is that even though it was not against any rule, it was removed based off of some cry baby.

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Fine, if they disarm the mascot, would that make you conservatives happy? Would it? NO!

The funny thing is no one is up in arms about the mascot with weapon of death, but are all pissed at a kid and a sport shotgun.

You libs need to stick to one side of an issue...Either weapons are bad at school, or they are OK.

Next you will want to remove meat from the cafeteria.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Kennedy 0]

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If they banned the kid from school because he was off shooting things, he'd have a good court case.

So you haven't heard about the case where a fourth grader was suspended for having a polaroid of him, his aunt, and a gun at a range?

Details: kid brings in polaroid of what he did that weekend. Teacher sees picture. Teacher freaks out, yells something incomprehensible to the kid, isolates the kid from the class, calls in principle. Principle supports teacher, kid is sent home. Principle's remarks to the press?

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We're very proud of our zero tolerance policy here.

The kid's aunt in a NRA certified firearms instructor. She wanted to teach the kid gun safety so that if he ever does encounter a gun, there will not be another horrible accident in the news.

You know what the kid said when he got home (after he stopped crying)?

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Guns are bad.

I thought schools were for education, not indoctrination.

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[kelel01 1]

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You libs need to stick to one side of an issue...Either weapons are bad at school, or they are OK.

Next you will want to remove meat from the cafeteria.

Ok, I was wrong. THIS wins for worst argument ever. I don't even have an equally childish or retarded comeback.

[wmw999 2,514]

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You libs need to stick to one side of an issue...Either weapons are bad at school, or they are OK

No, we don't. There have been a lot of viewpoints expressed, but some folks seem to be unable or unwilling to let it go until their opinion rules with no agreement to disagree, or agreement that some of the differences are minor.

You have a lot of people saying they think it's a silly rule. But as long as they don't bow down before the second amendment and agree that whoever made that edict should probably be forced to do something awful, and that they have now seen the error of their ways and will never disagree again, it's not enough.

I like my Javelin better than a Micron, too. For one thing, it's paid for.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Ron 10]

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Ok, I was wrong. THIS wins for worst argument ever. I don't even have an equally childish or retarded comeback.

So you can't defend so you go to name calling?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kelel01 1]

You sound like the people who are against gay marriage: "What if we let them marry the same sex? What'll be next? Someone will marry an animal?". Not a logical progression, my friend. Is that a better response indicating how silly your response was?

[Ron 10]

I am not going to discuss anything with anyone whos best defense is to call someone names.

Thats really mature.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[JohnRich 4]

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Then they should remove the weapon from the mascot....That is inappropriate.

Image of school mascot attached.

Yep, that evil horseman is carrying a lance, with which to spear someone. Zero tolerance against weapons should include lances, and images thereof. He's not a knight in shining armor galloping to aid a damsel in distress - he's a symbol of violence! I'm with you - the mascot should be changed to something peaceful, like a possum, who just rolls over and plays dead when faced with adversity. Yeah, that would be a good role model for the kids.

School web site: http://schools.londonderry.org/lhs/

[kelel01 1]

Ok, but now I have to defend myself. When you say something like, "What's next? No meat in the cafeteria?" when talking about guns, you must be able to comprehend that that is IRRELEVANT AND ILLOGICAL.

[PhillyKev 0]

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Your comparison is invalid. The photo in question was doing nothing to advocate a political position about guns.

And I'll go further to say that the selective censorship of this photo by the school WAS their attempt at pushing a political position. That's what I have a problem with.

[PhillyKev 0]

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If guns are not allowed on school property, why should they be in the yearbook?

Because they didn't want to put a gun in the yearbook. It was a PICTURE of a kid with a gun. Now if they actually tried to put a gun inside the yearbook. like shooting out the spine or something I could understand.

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Is it against the school's rules? YES

I seriously doubt pictures of guns are against the schools rules. And if they are, fine, but as has been said, why aren't they removing them from history books? What is the difference?

[crozby 0]

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So you haven't heard about the case where a fourth grader was suspended for having a polaroid of him, his aunt, and a gun at a range?

Now that to me is completely different to this situation because it's not about putting a picture of a pupil holding a gun into a school sanctioned publication.

What was the eventual outcome?

[kelel01 1]

Nice perversion of my post, PK. This is what I meant, and you know it: Is it against school rules to drink on the property? Yes. So, would you put a pic of the admin. drinking a martini? No. Would you put a real martini? Also no, but because it's ridiculous.

[billvon 3,058]

Kelly, Ron, cut it out.

[PhillyKev 0]

I wasn't trying to pervert your post....maybe you, but not your post

I was trying to point out that having a rule against guns on the property does not equate to having a rule against a picture of a gun.

As far as the example with the martini, again, you're comparing the consumption of a mind altering substance that is illegal for high school students on or off school, to an honest, healthy hobby. The only way you can make this comparison is by holding the belief that guns are as dangerous to students as alcohol. And that's an erroneous political stance that a school shouldn't take.