More Kerry Fantasy

[Gravitymaster 0]

So much for Kerrys claim of his ability to get help from Germany and France.

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French and German government officials say they will not significantly increase military assistance in Iraq even if John Kerry, the Democratic presidential challenger, is elected on November 2.


Mr Kerry, who has attacked President George W. Bush for failing to broaden the US-led alliance in Iraq, has pledged to improve relations with European allies and increase international military assistance in Iraq.

"I cannot imagine that there will be any change in our decision not to send troops, whoever becomes president," Gert Weisskirchen, member of parliament and foreign policy expert for Germany's ruling Social Democratic Party, said in an interview.

"That said, Mr Kerry seems genuinely committed to multilateralism and as president he would find it easier than Mr Bush to secure the German government's backing in other matters."

Even though Nato last week overcame members' long-running reservations about a training mission to Iraq and agreed to set up an academy there for 300 soldiers, neither Paris nor Berlin will participate.

Michel Barnier, the French foreign minister, said last week that France, which has tense relations with interim prime minister Iyad Allawi, had no plans to send troops "either now or later".

That view reflects the concerns of many EU and Nato officials, who say the dangers in Iraq and the difficulty of extricating troops already there could make European governments reluctant to send personnel, regardless of the outcome of the US election.

A French government official said: "People don't expect that much would change under a Kerry administration, even if things can only get better. We do not anticipate a sudden honeymoon in the event Kerry replaces Bush.

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[freeflydrew 0]

In my opinion, I don't think that anyone is going to send people into Iraq, and the whole subject of that should be disregarded from the campaign. GWB didn't have support going into it, and Kerry wouldn't get support going out of it. There's no plan to "get out of Iraq", and maybe it's time that both candidates fessed up to the fact that the US military are going to be there for a long time. Aid on the other hand is another issue entirely...

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"There is no sign that the German public, which loathes the US president, would accept risking German lives to salvage what is widely seen as Mr Bush's botched war.

In fact, high-ranking German officials are privately concerned at the prospect of Mr Kerry becoming president, arguing it would not change US demands but make it more difficult to reject them.

Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes. Berlin already trains Iraqi security forces outside Iraq and France has said it would do so.

Mr Kerry is expected to make Mr Bush's record of alienating foreign capitals and undermining US credibility in the world one of the chief arguments on Thursday night when he confronts the president in the first presidential debate."

What exactly was your point again?

[txblondie 0]

Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes. Berlin already trains Iraqi security forces outside Iraq and France has said it would do so.
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The only problem I have with that is that France is so pacifist that who wants them to train Iraqi security forces?

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[skydiverton 0]

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Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes. Berlin already trains Iraqi security forces outside Iraq and France has said it would do so.
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The only problem I have with that is that France is so pacifist that who wants them to train Iraqi security forces?

The french pacifists???
1) Rafale fighter, Tiger helicopter.....
2) One of the few european countries using batlle carriers
3) Don't forget the "legion etrange" (forreign legion) to do the dirty jobs for the president.
4) Parachute de France (part of zodiac) has a very big customer : French army

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[mnealtx 0]

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Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes.

So they'll end up giving back some of the money they got selling Iraq dual-use equipment in the first place. Still probably end up being net profit for them....

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[txblondie 0]

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Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes. Berlin already trains Iraqi security forces outside Iraq and France has said it would do so.
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The only problem I have with that is that France is so pacifist that who wants them to train Iraqi security forces?

The french pacifists???
1) Rafale fighter, Tiger helicopter.....
2) One of the few european countries using batlle carriers
3) Don't forget the "legion etrange" (forreign legion) to do the dirty jobs for the president.
4) Parachute de France (part of zodiac) has a very big customer : French army

They may have those things, but they never use them.

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[skydiverton 0]

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Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes.

So they'll end up giving back some of the money they got selling Iraq dual-use equipment in the first place. Still probably end up being net profit for them....

Did the iraqies pay??

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[txblondie 0]

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Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes.

So they'll end up giving back some of the money they got selling Iraq dual-use equipment in the first place. Still probably end up being net profit for them....

I'm glad you thought of that, because it totally slipped my mind!

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[kallend 2,106]

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Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes. Berlin already trains Iraqi security forces outside Iraq and France has said it would do so.
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The only problem I have with that is that France is so pacifist that who wants them to train Iraqi security forces?

The french pacifists???
1) Rafale fighter, Tiger helicopter.....
2) One of the few european countries using batlle carriers
3) Don't forget the "legion etrange" (forreign legion) to do the dirty jobs for the president.
4) Parachute de France (part of zodiac) has a very big customer : French army

They may have those things, but they never use them.

French troops performed extremely well in Gulf War I. You should do a little research before writing rubbish.

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[kallend 2,106]

So Bush has f**ked up foreign relations so badly that even a change of president won't get the US out of the hole Bush has dug for us.

Kind of like Bush's record deficit. It will take more than one 4-year term to eliminate that too.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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Both France and Germany, however, have said they would contribute to the reduction of Iraq's debt and participate in economic and environmental development programmes.

So they'll end up giving back some of the money they got selling Iraq dual-use equipment in the first place. Still probably end up being net profit for them....

Yeah, but if they were smart, like Halliburton, they would have sold dual use equipment and than secured contracts to rebuild what they sold them after we blow it up.

[txblondie 0]

So Bush has f**ked up foreign relations so badly that even a change of president won't get the US out of the hole Bush has dug for us.
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As Bill O'Reilly (an INDEPENDENT) would say, great liberal spin. No, the point is that Bush went into this by himself because no one wanted to help to begin with, and no other president, especially one without a plan, is going to persuade them to enter into the mix now.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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As Bill O'Reilly (an INDEPENDENT)

Are you serious?

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no other president, especially one without a plan, is going to persuade them to enter into the mix now.

Good point. Since Bush doesn't have one, he should go.

[Jib 0]

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So Bush has f**ked up foreign relations so badly that even a change of president won't get the US out of the hole Bush has dug for us.

Have you seen the latest flip-flop ad against Kerry? Oh yeah, he was in favor of it. He was pleased when Saddam was taken out. He was on the intelligence committee but had better things to do than show up all the time. [whine]But Bush is responsible[/whine]

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Kind of like Bush's record deficit. It will take more than one 4-year term to eliminate that too.

You mean the mess he inherited from Clinton??

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[PhillyKev 0]

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You mean the mess he inherited from Clinton??

I see you guys saying that a lot. Care to explain how Clinton is responsible for Bush increasing government spending and putting through tax breaks? You do understand what a deficit is, right?

[txblondie 0]

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As Bill O'Reilly (an INDEPENDENT)

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Are you serious?

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Yes, I'm serious. First of all, that's what he claims to be. Second of all, there are some issues where he leans to the right, others where I get pissed off at him because he leans to the left. He points out flaws on both sides, and stops supporters on both sides from spinning an issue. I have a lot of respect for him because he is a good example of what Fox News claims to be - fair and balanced.

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[wmw999 2,534]

But Kevin, it was all Clinton's fault. Since he didn't go into Iraq before Bush, Bush had to do it and take the blame for Clinton's failure.

All those jobs too -- if Clinton had done it right, they would have been actually lost on his watch

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[wmw999 2,534]

If you travel down the middle of the road, then "leans to the left" and "leans to the right" can have some meaning.

If you're aggressively conservative on most topics (which I would tend to think from what you post), then your definition of "leans to the left" can still leave him solidly in the conservative camp. Just less conservative.

After all, if you're standing on the straight uphill or straight downhill side, it doesn't look like the Leaning Tower of Pisa leans too much, either. You have to be willing to back off and look from other sides.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[PhillyKev 0]

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Yes, I'm serious. First of all, that's what he claims to be.

Well I'm the King of Sweden. My god, you are serious

[txblondie 0]

I see what you're saying, but no, even though he is just as bad about referring to Kerry's flip-flopping as a lot of conservatives, he also agrees with many of the other liberals who are very vocal about their opinions on some things. I'm a little hard-pressed right now to think of specific examples, as I tend to tune him out a bit when he does that (being pretty conservative myself as you guessed), but nonetheless, he does take both sides on various issues.

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[txblondie 0]

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Yes, I'm serious. First of all, that's what he claims to be.

Well I'm the King of Sweden. My god, you are serious

I see you totally ignored the rest of my post. I simply started out with that statement to let you know that he doesn't consider himself to take either side. I then supported my opinion, but apparently you can't read more than a sentence at a time. Short attention span? Next time, I'll save that sort of statement for the end and see if perhaps you can make it through my whole post.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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as I tend to tune him out a bit when he does that (being pretty conservative myself as you guessed),

Don't sell yourself short. You're a perfect example of a Bush supporter. Tuning out anything that doesn't fit into your preconceptions so that you might form an informed opinion is exactly the kind of constituency he wants. No offense, but you scare me.

[PhillyKev 0]

I was just tuning out the rest because I didn't like what you were saying.

[txblondie 0]

I'm not just a Bush supporter; I have sat down, looked at the issues in regards to my own personal opinions, and 98% of what I believe places me pretty far to the right. I don't HATE all liberals; every once in awhile, it seems that they make a valid point or two. It's simply that I don't agree with most of their political opinions, and I never will. I may be set in my ways, but at least I know what I believe. I would support anyone who promotes my ideals, regardless of who they were, as I'm sure you would.

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[PhillyKev 0]

Fair enough, that's an honest statement and your prerogative to feel that way. I don't mean to be insulting, I just have a hard time understanding why some people are unwilling to consider other points of views and give them the same validity as their own. Guess that's why I'm not a conservative.