narcimund 0 #1 October 1, 2004 A mediocre victory but at least for a little while longer the Federal Government will not impose a divorce on me that I do not want. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #2 October 1, 2004 I still cannot figure out why anyone cares what two consenting adults do.....IE-marriage regardless of gender...... congrats on your mediocre victory. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #3 October 1, 2004 LJ, Not that you seem to care what others think, but since the majority of Americans don't consider it marriage in the first place, what is the point? If it doesn't bother you what others think, why the concern over a label such as "marriage"? I don't consider it a marriage, but why would anyone involved in it care what I think? You are safe in OR, as that is the only state where a ban on same sex "marriage" is not likely, and frankly it is a waste of our legislative branch to bother with this. . Mostly it just seems like another "shove in the face" of the majority by the small minority. You are always free to do what you want, as it doesn't affect me at all. When you go out of your way to try to affect others with your actions, the results are what is happening with this issue. Carry on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #4 October 1, 2004 Isn't marriage between you, your significant other, and your God? What is a marriage license? (3 party contract) Why do you need permission from the "State"? (you don't) “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #5 October 1, 2004 QuoteLJ, Not that you seem to care what others think, but since the majority of Americans don't consider it marriage in the first place, what is the point? If it doesn't bother you what others think, why the concern over a label such as "marriage"? I don't consider it a marriage, but why would anyone involved in it care what I think? You are safe in OR, as that is the only state where a ban on same sex "marriage" is not likely, and frankly it is a waste of our legislative branch to bother with this. . Mostly it just seems like another "shove in the face" of the majority by the small minority. You are always free to do what you want, as it doesn't affect me at all. When you go out of your way to try to affect others with your actions, the results are what is happening with this issue. Carry on. Yeah what he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #6 October 1, 2004 QuoteWhy do you need permission from the "State"? (you don't) I don't consider a marriage license "permission" from the state. I consider it protection from the state. Most of the so-called benefits of legal marriage aren't benefits in the usual sense. Instead, they take the form of powers the government cedes to the spouse. Marriage is one of the very few (perhaps only) ways to get the government off your back in some small ways. Within marriage, inheritance is untaxed. Testimony in court cannot be compelled. When incapacitated, the spouse speaks for the other instead of the government doing so. I don't seek, need, or desire anyone's permission to live and love as I see fit. But I DO desire the small but significant liberty from oppression that comes in a marriage contract. I trust my husband far more than I trust the government in these matters. The romantic part of the marriage? The commitment, support, love, and family teamness of it? That has nothing whatsoever to do with the government. Nothing at all. We provide all we need either way. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #7 October 1, 2004 If it wasn't an issue that the majority of the people in this country cared about, it wouldn't be in the news. When it comes down to numbers the homosexual population of this country is very much a minority. However, you have heterosexual people, like me, that support equal rights across the board for all citizens of this country, without predujice or conditions. I don't care what the right or privledge is; if part of this country can't have it, then no one should. Religion does not come into play here, they won't even allow a civil union recognized by the state so benefits can be shared, etc. We are America, and whether you like it or not, so is that minority. They deserve the same rights. All excuses otherwise sound a lot like what the slave owners in this country once said about equal rights for African-Americans. I for one am very happy to see this Amendment fail._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #8 October 1, 2004 A marriage license, more specifically, is : "A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to INTERMARRY: " Black's Law Dict. p. 1124 A license is a permission granted by competent authority to engage in a business or occupation or in an activity otherwise unlawful. Webster's Dictionary. And it gives the "State" the legal grounds to interfere in your life. MARRIAGE LICENSE IS A PRIVILEGE FROM THE STATE and that EVERY CHILD BORN TO A FAMILY WITH A STATE MARRIAGE LICENSE IS A WARD OF THE STATE. Marriage is a covenant. Getting a license makes it a civil contract. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #9 October 1, 2004 Quote...Webster's Dictionary... Tell you what... you can live out of the dictionary all you like. I don't find reality lies there myself. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #10 October 1, 2004 Reality is a Bitch. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #11 October 1, 2004 > Reality is a Bitch. It indeed can be. But it is found outside web pages and dictionaries. The reality is that gays can and do marry; trying to rip their marriages apart is, I think, a pretty evil pursuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #12 October 1, 2004 The reality is most people do not understand what a marriage license is, the history of marriage licenses and the consequences of getting one. If two people want to contract with the "State", that is their choice, but for it to be a binding contract they need to know the implications of the contract. The Constitution for the United States of America Article I. Section. 10. No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. No State shall pass any Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts Without knowing what a license is, or a term, or a law means, you will only have a false reality. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #13 October 1, 2004 Victory for what? The homosexual agenda? What marriage is meant for, and what it has become are two different things. Consider this, if the homosexuals got their way, and had planet gay, they'd all perish within 100 years and then we'd be done with them. A homosexual human race will lose.================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #14 October 1, 2004 Well aren't you the charmer.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #15 October 2, 2004 homosexuals don't want everyone to be gay! They just want to be accepted the way they are and have the same rights and protections that everyone else does. They don't care who YOU marry... they want you to stop caring about who they marry! Homosexuality is not something that's going to "die out". It's been present in the human race for thousands of years at least, and is present in other species as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #16 October 2, 2004 Homosexuals do not reproduce, they recruit. What do you want for your children?================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #17 October 2, 2004 Bullshit. Homosexuals don't need to recruit. In fact, many people decide they are homosexual before ever meeting another homosexual. And as for what I'd want for any future children... I'd want them to live in a world where they can love and marry whoever makes them happy, regardless of gender. I'd rather have a happy homosexual kid than an unhappy straight one. I think happiness is what most parents wish for their kids, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #18 October 2, 2004 You have been lied to. Come back and comment when you have children.================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #19 October 2, 2004 When the general public is ready to accept polygamy, they will be ready to accept same-sex marriage. Don't hold your breath. edit - also, don't forget what administration passed the defense of marriage act. That act has since been seen to not be effective. That is all.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #20 October 2, 2004 I have NOT been lied to. You are the one who has been believing lies. Have you ever sat down and talked with a gay person, and actually listened to their answers to your questions? Have you ever approached a gay person without judgment, but with a desire to understand? Or do you feel you don't need to because you already have all the answers? My two closest friends in the world are gay. My roommate, who I have known since gradeschool is gay. NONE of them have ever tried to recruit someone else to their lifestyle. None of them were recruited either. I was the one they talked with when they were struggling with their sexual identities. I am not gay and did not encourage them to make any choice. I just listened. They would not wish their lifestyle on anyone, simply because it is so hard to be gay, and it would be so much easier for them if they were straight. This is not a choice they made. It is who they are. They didn't choose their sexual orientation any more than they chose their gender. When you've had an open dialogue with someone who is gay, and really tried to understand their position, come back and comment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #21 October 2, 2004 QuoteHomosexuals do not reproduce, they recruit Take a look at this http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993008 Y'think gay sheep are victims of peer pressure?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #22 October 2, 2004 QuoteHomosexuals do not reproduce, they recruit. This tired old argument always tempts me to ask, do you feel like YOU could be recruited? Either you feel close to temptation or you don't. If you do, you might want to examine your motives closer. If not, where on earth are you getting your intuitions about other peoples' weakness for being recruited? I eagerly (and fruitlessly) await discussion. In the meantime I'll have to enjoy your charming sloganeering. By the way, if I asked nicely could I get you to chant, "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" too? That always brings back fond memories. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #23 October 2, 2004 QuoteHomosexuals do not reproduce, they recruit. What do you want for your children? gotta call bullshit on this one. When I was growing up my Mom & step-father ran an avant-garde theater in Baltimore. There were always a lot of gay men & women around. I grew up in an environment that was very open& accepting of gay people, and probably grew up with more contact with openly gay people than 95% of the population. Yet I've never personally experienced any urges in that direction. I'm strictly heterosexual. Being gay, straight, or bi is how your brain is wired up. You can't catch gay. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #24 October 2, 2004 Quotethey want you to stop caring about who they marry! They want us to quit caring about the law? Wow. Didn't know that. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #25 October 2, 2004 QuoteHomosexuals do not reproduce, they recruit. OK, so what's your recruitor's name?Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
