jdhill 0 #26 October 4, 2004 QuoteThe story that John posted a link to didn't mention anything about her being a volunteer for the Bush campaign It may not have mentioned volenteering specifically, but it did not hide the fact that she was pro-Bush... From the linked story... QuoteWhile she says she is a Bush supporter in her personal life, Pillai-Diaz says she keeps politics out of the classroom. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #27 October 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteOk...I'll jump back in. Yeah...just shows what a bunch of idiots Democrats are. They're all a bunch of morons. Every one of em'. Shouldn't that be, [Kenny]"Meah...aah oww mhat a mun o imimi Memomat rr. Err aa a munn a moaa. Erree aa aa e."[/Kenny] Yeah...you're right. That's better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #28 October 4, 2004 QuoteMeah...aah oww mhat a mun o imimi Memomat rr. Err aa a munn a moaa. Erree aa aa e eeny meeny deca meeny oo-ah-loo-ah-lameeny hexameeny salameeny oo-ah-loo-ah bee billy oaten goaten bobo bedeeten daten psssssssssssss Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #29 October 4, 2004 QuoteNot all liberals think this is cool. And if something isn't missing from the story like Wendy suggested, then this is retarded. A montage of presidents, past and present, should only include presidents. Don't think that because some people are morons that it means all libs are. I don't know why myself and others have to explain this time and time again. Perhaps it's because you read what you think you want to hear into what I posted. But hey - if the shoe fits . . . Did I mention "ALL" anywhere in my post? Here's a copy of it. QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Every president was on that wall. Not just GWB. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If that is indeed true, then this would also show the intelligence of the left leaning people that are causing such a stirr. Why would they demand that Kerry be put in the line-up as well? Don't they know that he actually has to be inaugurated to be president? (No - not president - elect either!) I highlighted where you ASS U ME that I meant "ALL" and italicised the part that is describing the people whos intelligence is in question. Typical Lib.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #30 October 4, 2004 Oh, I wasn't really replying to you. I think we all know who I meant that to be directed at, but you're not totally innocent in that respect either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #31 October 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteMeah...aah oww mhat a mun o imimi Memomat rr. Err aa a munn a moaa. Erree aa aa e eeny meeny deca meeny oo-ah-loo-ah-lameeny hexameeny salameeny oo-ah-loo-ah bee billy oaten goaten bobo bedeeten daten psssssssssssss Wendy W. Whoa! I don't know what that was, but it was fun to say out loud! Just to be on topic though: Given the current sociopolical climate, it's no wonder that happened. All you have to do is say "Bush" or "Kerry" to the wrong person, and they get all frothy at the mouth and want to argue you into a quivering fetal position until you agree one or the other is evil. That picture probably sent some staunch Kerry supporters into an apoplectic fit. (notice I didn't say Dem. or liberal - you don't have to be one to support Kerry) Our President is our President, like it or not, and the office deserves respect, including a picture of W. alongside his predecessors. Unten gleeben gloppen gluben. Just to continue the silliness. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulipod 0 #32 October 4, 2004 Quote It's curious, and seems to be contradictory on their part... You do make me chuckle... Anythin but guns on your mind ever? Bodyflight Bedford www.bodyflight.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #33 October 4, 2004 Wow, you're right. I skipped right over his post because it was too long. JohnRich-- they're two blatantly different issues. I'm sorry some of us can think more than one way regarding different circumstances. God, you're not even happy when people are agreeing with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #34 October 4, 2004 Quote In the gun discrimination thread, we saw the story of a young adult who wasn't allowed to pose with his sport shotgun in his senior schoolbook photo, while others were allowed to customize their photos in many other ways. Many folks thought that was okay for the school to suppress, just because someone in authority said so, and that the student should have no recourse for appeal. What an elegant swing to return to your favourite theme Well, where's a will, there's a bush... no, a way. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #35 October 4, 2004 Actually, once I read you guys' posts and realized that I skipped over John's because it was long, I went back and read it. Don't just think about how he's wrong; think about how you look at things to see the glasses you're looking through. The fact that everyone has them doesn't invalidate them. I do think the situations are different, but pointing out the parallel is an interesting exercise. Maybe they're not that different, and I'll examine that. But to me, neither is worth suing the school over. Both are heavy-handed on the part of the administration. And the second did sound more inappropriate, but that's mainly because of what the principal said to the teacher. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #36 October 4, 2004 But the gun was a judgment call . . . GWB is POTUS, and Kerry isn't. Assuming all information is present in that story (big assumption, of course), it's black and white. There's no room for "interpretation". I know what you're saying, but I just can't agree that it has anything to do with this specific issue with respect to the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #37 October 4, 2004 Quoteanythin but guns on your mind ever? Look around, you'll find me talking about lots of different things. When you're finished looking, then you can remove your foot from your mouth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #38 October 4, 2004 QuoteI skipped right over his post because it was too long. Do you have difficulty concentrating past three or four sentences? Maybe this could explain the degree of thought, or lack thereof, that you put into reading and understanding such issues, and your subsequent views therefrom. Quotethey're two blatantly different issues. I'm sorry some of us can think more than one way regarding different circumstances. Nope, they're the same issue - discrimination by people who are biased against certain political issues. One on guns, and one on the election, but the same kind of background bias. Quote But the gun was a judgment call . . . GWB is POTUS That's the problem - the gun shouldn't have been a judgement call. Once they decided to allow students to customize their photos by posing with sports themes, then they had no right to deny a tasteful gun sports theme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #39 October 4, 2004 I have no comeback. They're different. That's it. Think outside the box, John. Subjective vs. Objective situations. Edit: Again, please note I am working strictly off of the information in the story. It could have some sort of spin put on it to show the rumored-to-be-extremely-conservative teacher in a more positive light than it should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #40 October 4, 2004 Quote"no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people" variously attributed to H.L. Mencken and P.T. Barnum. Sorry Kallend, but you got the quote wrong. That should be "misunderestimating". --------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #41 October 4, 2004 QuoteBut to me, neither is worth suing the school over. Really? QuotePillai-Diaz ultimately removed the entire bulletin board and says School Principal Jim Warfel told her she disrupted the school with her "inflammatory politics". She says he then ordered her out of the building... I would call public riddicule and humiliation a reason to sue. Expecially if it is based on ones political views as opposed to their job requirements. There is a large case going on where a police supervisor fired a guy for refusing to remove a campain symbol from his car at work. While the opponents symbols, very similar in stature and size were acceptable. I would say that there is a viable case in both of these. More so on the teachers case because there was no political renderance by her not putting Kerry there.(assuming that the facts are as they appear.)I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #42 October 5, 2004 From another story that has a bit more information, this part is interesting: QuoteDemocrats dominate South Brunswick's government, holding the mayor's office and three of the four council seats. Of the 40,000 people living in the township, about 5,000 are registered Republicans. Registered Democrats outnumber them by a 3 to 2 margin, said local Republican officials. But it also says something about her refusing to ever discuss the picture with anyone, and the school officials telling her it was ok to have the picture there as long as she would "address questions that arise because of it." Hmm, who knows... Full story here: http://www.c-n.com/news/c-n/story/0,2111,1068715,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,545 #43 October 5, 2004 Ever look at a cube? From one point of view, it looks like a perfect square; turn it, and it can look like a hexagon, or a double pyramid. It's the same thing, and it's hard to talk about the object when you won't look from different sides, preferring your own. We can't see with each others' eyes, but here we're at least acknowleding as a whole that those eyes see differently, but honestly. Thanks Now let's talk about what's really true in theology Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #44 October 5, 2004 QuoteBut it also says something about her refusing to ever discuss the picture with anyone, and the school officials telling her it was ok to have the picture there as long as she would "address questions that arise because of it." Questions that would arise from what? A picture of the President on the wall with other Presidents? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #45 October 5, 2004 Quote QuoteBut it also says something about her refusing to ever discuss the picture with anyone, and the school officials telling her it was ok to have the picture there as long as she would "address questions that arise because of it." Questions that would arise from what? A picture of the President on the wall with other Presidents Yeah, I'm not sure what that was supposed to mean either... From what little info we have, it sounds like she got screwed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulipod 0 #46 October 5, 2004 QuoteLook around, you'll find me talking about lots of different things. When you're finished looking, then you can remove your foot from your mouth. Actually, having looked through your posts... a great percentage are gun related. Admittedly there are other topics, but my gereralising flippant remark was not intended as anything more than jovial satire... the smiley face was a clue... heres another Bodyflight Bedford www.bodyflight.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #47 October 5, 2004 Quote QuoteBut it also says something about her refusing to ever discuss the picture with anyone, and the school officials telling her it was ok to have the picture there as long as she would "address questions that arise because of it." Questions that would arise from what? A picture of the President on the wall with other Presidents? Indoctrination and education are not only divergent goals, they border on mutually exclusive. This ranks right up there with the mantra of "guns are bad," or "it takes a village," and so on.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #48 October 5, 2004 QuoteFrom another story that has a bit more information, this part is interesting... Thanks for that reference to an additional news story. QuoteOf the 40,000 people living in the township, about 5,000 are registered Republicans. Registered Democrats outnumber them by a 3 to 2 margin, said local Republican officials. Um, those local Republican officials need to go back to school themselves and re-learn their math. If, of the 40,000 population, Republicans comprise 5,000 people, then that is a 6 to 1 ratio, not 3 to 2. Doh! Or maybe they mean that 5,000 are Republicans, and 7,500 are Democrats. But that would leave 27,500, or 69% of the population, undecided. That's a very large majority to not be either Repub or Dem. Something is askew with those numbers... I'm surprised that the same people who objected to the photo, didn't also object to the posting of the Constitution... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #49 October 5, 2004 But that number is probably from actual registered or of voting age population. I don't think minors would count...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raggdoll 0 #50 October 5, 2004 QuoteQuote QuoteBut it also says something about her refusing to ever discuss the picture with anyone, and the school officials telling her it was ok to have the picture there as long as she would "address questions that arise because of it." Questions that would arise from what? A picture of the President on the wall with other Presidents Yeah, I'm not sure what that was supposed to mean either... From what little info we have, it sounds like she got screwed... From simply reading that article, it appears as if this is the type of question that "arose" from the picture (bolded, my emphasis): "Parents e-mailed an assistant principal, accusing Pillai-Diaz of suppressing free speech because the teacher refused to talk to students about why the color picture hung in the room. "Students said, `You like George Bush? He's killed people,' " Pillai-Diaz said. "As a rule, I don't talk about my politics in the classroom." The picture hung next to posters of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Pillai-Diaz said school officials was told the picture was OK, but that she should address questions that arise because of it." _________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
