gemini 0 #51 October 13, 2004 QuoteBut claiming that a certain people (arabs, blacks, japanese, germans whatever) do not have the same values as "normal" people... I never claimed they did not have the same values as "normal" people! Those are your words Bill. My point was that your comment that they are just like us is wrong and very naive. Let me ask you a few questions to illustrate what I meant when I said they are not "just like us": 1. How many American states can you list that treat women like they are treated in the middle east? 2. How many American parents can you list that allow their 11-16 year olds to become suicide bombers? 3. How many American judges would allow a jury to cut off the right hand of a burgler? 4. How many American juries would take part in stoning an adulterous woman? 5. How many American Methodists attempt to assasinate Catholic priests or Jewish Rabbis? 6. How many American women are denied equal rights by law? 7. How many American men can kidnap their children from the custodial spouse and get away with it? 8. How many American Protestants have vowed to kill every Musilm simply because they are Muslim? 9. How many Americans believe if you commit suicide you go to paradise? This list could go on forever, but I think you get my point. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #52 October 13, 2004 Okay, I'm going to lay this out for the last time. Islamic fundamentalists who engage in terror and believe in wiping all other people off the face of the planet... are shit, scum, and I don't give one rats ass about them. If either of you can even somewhat honestly tell me you think that these fucks are equal to good 'ol Mr. and Mrs. Smith, who raised 4 kids and have 2 grandkids, go to community events and give neighborhood kids lemonade on sundays, then I think you're nuts and I will never see eye to eye with you on this matter. Ever. It isn't arrogance, it's truth. Open your eyes, because from here... we can see that you're blinded by politically correct bullshit. Understanding their motivations in order to beat them is one thing. Sympathizing with them, or avoiding living your life because it just might make them mad again... is complete caca. And bill, I already explained what I meant by leftovers, but if that's the straw you want to cling to... go ahead.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #53 October 13, 2004 >Let me ask you a few questions to illustrate what I meant when I said >they are not "just like us": Nor are we just like them. No Muslim country has ever used WMD's to kill 350,000 innocent people, as we have done. They don't burn witches; we used to. And suicide bombers going to paradise? We figure that if an 18 year old Navy pilot bombs a village and kills 10 insurgents and 30 innocent people, he's a hero and will probably go to heaven. And killing people we disagree with? The Army of God kills US doctors in the name of Christ all the time. These books came from an on-line protestant bookstore: ---------------------------------- IN THE WAKE OF THE CRUSADES An explanation of the true nature of the Crusades and a defense of the heroic defenders of the Church against the absurd criticisms and misunderstandings of today. Excellent for students and apologetics. 18 pp. $4 THE RETURN OF THE MUSLIM THREAT Facing the realities of a growing menace An analysis of the opposing religious forces in the Middle East and the massive Muslim penetration of Western civilization, encouraged by Church authorities. Documents the increasing persecution of Christians in Muslim countries and the threat of a global jihad. A needed study, pertinent to the issues of our days. 27 pp. $5 -------------------------------------- Now, your next reply is going to be along the lines of "but the Army of God are a bunch of lunatics and no one buys those books." You're right, they are on the extreme fringe - just as the people you are talking about are. To judge muslims by the standards you use above would be like an arab judging you by what he reads about the Army of God. "Hey, if Gemini is OK with killing doctors, he's not like we are; we respect life." But they'd be making the same mistake that you made above. I know several people from Iraq, Iran, and Syria. None of them are just like me. However, none of them would send their 11 year old sons in as suicide bombers. None of them have vowed to kill anyone. None of them stone anyone. None of them are in favor of cutting off anyone's right hand. In other words, they are just normal people. And I believe they represent 99% of the arabs in the countries they came from; the silent majority who just want to live their lives without being killed or bombed. Now, there's still that 1% - and those are the people we are fighting. But they no more represent mainstream arabs than the Army of God represents you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #54 October 13, 2004 Quote Sorry, i wrote Irak in spanish, but i really meant Iraq. For some reason i thought that you speak more than just your native language. I guess it is not the case. Iraq or Irak: would it have changed anything in checking the map? ROFLMAO Quote I can see it is truly confusing, you know, Iraq,Irak, even Iran, holy cow!!!! Did you spend much time looking on the map? I hope not. If you need help locating any of those countries on the map, by all means, pm me. Being on forums teached me a lot, f. e. that funny sentence: Do not confuse with details. BTW: In German, Iraq is Irak, too, and for sure, every school child here knows what Iraq means! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #55 October 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteBTW: In German, Iraq is Irak, too, and for sure, every school child here knows what Iraq means! Well it is an irony that children over there think that the holocaust is just an old propaganda. That history is not such over there, at schools."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #56 October 13, 2004 Bill, stop it. Like Josh said before, go look at what we have written and realize that we are talking about that so-called 1%. They are not just like us, or even just like the "silent majority" of muslims. They're subhuman scum that hopefully will be wiped off the face of the planet.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #57 October 13, 2004 Quote Well it is an irony that children over there think that the holocaust is just an old propaganda. That history is not such over there, at schools Nice try. Where did you read that stuff? In the local hand written paper of a San José quarter?, Puerto Rico ??? Would you kindly let me know direct connection to actual thread? Thx dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #58 October 13, 2004 As was said in another thread bill that's all historical information not news! We are talking about today! You are living in the past and will someday have to pay the price for your beliefs. I hope I am wrong, but Lord help us all if I am right and you are wrong. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #59 October 13, 2004 It's the same connection as to becoming M Tyson to beat someone up. KO.. Go back to your lala land schedule and keep on entretaining us please..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #60 October 13, 2004 But wait Trent, it is not the goal of the terrorist to implement a world full of Islamic governments througout the world, targeting-murdering innocents to achieve it, but it is rather to make the US a dictatorship that will curtail freedoms as expressed by PK clicky "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #61 October 13, 2004 Quote It's the same connection as to becoming M Tyson to beat someone up. KO.. Go back to your lala land schedule and keep on entretaining us please OK. I will go back into my great industrial nation called Germany and try hard to "entretain" you whenever I like. BTW: Who's KO? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #62 October 13, 2004 Quotewe are turning ordinary arabs into crazy fundamentalists by killing their families. Of course there will always be just plain insane people. They are the exception and come in arab and american flavors. My guess is that people in the middle east are just like us. They love their families - their children and parents and husbands and wives. They love their country and their heritage and have pride in it. They love their god - whomever he is. They hurt when they are used, killed, degraded, disrespected. Just like us. QuoteWhen we kill people, the survivors tend to hate us. It's a concept many people have a remarkably hard time understanding, but have no problem when the situation is reversed. All of you who so vehemently despise the arabs fighting us are most likely the ones who would go ballistic on anyone who blew up your sister or son or house. How can you call them scum when you would the same thing? 9/11 is a good example. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #63 October 13, 2004 You don't have to try that hard, really. since you are coming by soon, maybe we can settle an entertainment session for an hour at lets say 10 Euros?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #64 October 13, 2004 You don't have to try that hard, really. since you are coming by soon, maybe we can settle an entertainment session for an hour at lets say 10 Euros*** What? There seems to be a minor misunderstanding: I plan to go to NYC, not to Puerto Rico! BTW: I've been in San José 3 times. OK, some years ago but, still keep wonderful memories on these visits. Unfortunately a bad one, too: My luggage was stolen. I recovered in the meantime. 10 EUROS: I do not even move my eyes for that. Forget it. Back to threads. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #65 October 13, 2004 Well, if you knew GEOGRAPHY, you will find it easy to see the NYC is 180 miles from Providence. Where I live. Not only that, but having no more than a few visits to San Jose (Costa Rica) and San Juan (Puerto Rico), and friends over there, you seem to confuse these two places and generalize my upbringing since I speak Spanish and French."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #66 October 13, 2004 Contrary to what many of you beleive, we did not start this fight. I've already argued this somewhere else. We are not fighting in the middle east because God or Allah told us to. The fundamentalists are guilty of both things. You'll never convince me that attacking the people who attack us and the world over for some bullshit religious or pseudo-political reasons have a valid stance. The greater conflict here isn't about oil or WMDs or revenge... it's about fighting against people who want nothing less than the entire eradication of everyone unlike them and imposing their religion on the world. I know, you're going to point at Soviet Afghanistan and the fact that we invaded Iraq... but it goes way deeper than that. I've asked this question before and no one has ever answered it. Do you REALLY think that even if we gave in to all the terrorist demands that they'd leave the world in peace? Really?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #67 October 13, 2004 QuoteIt's the same connection as to becoming M Tyson to beat someone up. KO.. Go back to your lala land schedule and keep on entretaining us please... BUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You are funny dude. wasn´t it you the one who made fun of me in another thread for speaking spanglish? Entertain -> English Entretener -> Spanish Got a little confused?. BTW, if you keep atacking the person instead of the post, you will end up whining like usual when a moderator gives you your fair one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #68 October 13, 2004 QuoteWell, if you knew GEOGRAPHY, you will find it easy to see the NYC is 180 miles from Providence. Where I live. Not only that, but having no more than a few visits to San Jose (Costa Rica) and San Juan (Puerto Rico), and friends over there, you seem to confuse these two places and generalize my upbringing since I speak Spanish and French Of course you are right, I was talking about San Juan. That's not a question of geography, I mixed it in my mind/memory. As I do not visit Puerto Rico (San Juan) every week and do not read about Costa Rica every day...... How many (or few) visits did you enjoy overseas? Let me hear Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #69 October 13, 2004 >They're subhuman scum that hopefully will be wiped off the face of the planet. As long as you define them as scum because they kill people (or plot to kill people) through terrorism, I agree with you. Anyone who does that, no matter what their religion, should be either arrested or killed. However, I do have a problem when I say "most arabs are just like us" and someone replies "no they're not, their value systems are different, and life is cheap to them." With an attitude like that, we will never be able to live in peace with the 99% of arabs who just want to live their lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #70 October 13, 2004 Quote BUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You are funny dude. wasn´t it you the one who made fun of me in another thread for speaking spanglish? Entertain -> English Entretener -> Spanish Got a little confused?. Oh, please, Mr. Franco, could you stop laughing that loud?! My ears. You know how to speak Spanish, I know how to talk in French, Mr. Juanesky has a command of both languages. How about a funny circle of three ? In case of a misunderstanding, we could proceed in English, or perhaps in German? It's not that hard to learn. Your Spanglish is to funny, who will complain? Not to forget that wonderful DZ called Empuria! How much I adore that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #71 October 13, 2004 LOL, that sounds good, although i am afraid we would find something to laugh at eachother and hijack the thread. Maybe the accent. you know, where there is a will, there is a way. If you think my spanglish is funny, you should hear me speak english with an scottish accent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #72 October 13, 2004 You keep talking about most Arabs while everyone else on this thread is talking about terrorists. No one is classifying a whole race of people. Can we agree to that? This is not a difficult concept to understand. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #73 October 13, 2004 QuoteLOL, that sounds good, although i am afraid we would find something to laugh at eachother and hijack the thread. Maybe the accent. you know, where there is a will, there is a way. If you think my spanglish is funny, you should hear me speak english with an scottish accent. International hijacking in French, Spanish, German and American English: And all of that under the Scottish-Spanish flagg! ROFLMAO Would like to hear your Scottish accent, really (Did you ask your grandma where this is coming from, hmmm??? Or grandpa, perhaps? ) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #74 October 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, if you knew GEOGRAPHY, you will find it easy to see the NYC is 180 miles from Providence. Where I live. Not only that, but having no more than a few visits to San Jose (Costa Rica) and San Juan (Puerto Rico), and friends over there, you seem to confuse these two places and generalize my upbringing since I speak Spanish and French Of course you are right, I was talking about San Juan. That's not a question of geography, I mixed it in my mind/memory. As I do not visit Puerto Rico (San Juan) every week and do not read about Costa Rica every day...... How many (or few) visits did you enjoy overseas? Let me hear Yeah right, Puerto Rico-Costa Rica in the same place is not a question of geography. Currently I am both a citizen of the EU as well as Venezuelan citizen. As far as my travelling experience goes to well around 35 countries, and living for over a period of 6 months in 7 of them on 3 different continents. I think you should look into geography a little deeper, and figure out where and when to attack properly Christel"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #75 October 13, 2004 Quote Yeah right, Puerto Rico-Costa Rica in the same place is not a question of geography Stop talking nonsens. I explained clearly why I made this mistake. If you want to "increase" it, just do. I don't mind. Quotecitizen of the EU as well as Venezuelan citizen. As far as my travelling experience goes to well around 35 countries, and living for over a period of 6 months in 7 of them on 3 different continents. EU? Wow. Somehow unbelievable, but: who knows? Miracles happen everywhere. Maybe in the US too? QuoteI think you should look into geography a little deeper, and figure out where and when to attack properly BS. (How I love that abbreviation ) I do not need to "attack properly". That's not my linguistic usage. I am European. What are you? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
