christelsabine 1 #26 October 11, 2004 Quote Even so, it doesn't make her qualified to speak about the origin of AIDS. Hell, they had a president over there in Africa telling people that you couldn't get AIDS from having sex, that condoms were evil, and that small pox vaccines would give you AIDS Mister, she is qualified, yes of course! She's the one running around trying to enlighten, informing the generality. She is doing the hard work in the black continent where ghosts and demons sometimes still are alive. Don't bring her down. There are only very few human beings in the world doing that job under these conditions. Pls, just admit it like that. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #27 October 11, 2004 QuoteThis is true. Just like being born with a silver spoon, being given an oil company to run into the ground and owning a ball team doesn't qualify you to be President of the USA. Maybe, but in your eyes being a war criminal IS exactly what the Nation needs in a CiC"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #28 October 11, 2004 Quoteneeds in a CiC What is CIC, pls? Thx in advance. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #29 October 11, 2004 QuoteWhat is CIC, pls? CiC: Commander in Chief...Military name for the President."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #30 October 11, 2004 QuoteMister, she is qualified, yes of course! She's the one running around trying to enlighten, informing the generality. She is doing the hard work in the black continent where ghosts and demons sometimes still are alive. Don't bring her down. There are only very few human beings in the world doing that job under these conditions. Pls, just admit it like that. No, she's not qualified to promulgate a specious rumor that has NO basis in fact. If she were speaking about the environment, her area of specialty, then perhaps there might be something one could look at and say "hmmmm, possible..." but she is not. I am not qualified to speak authoritatively to quantum physics subjects, but that doesn't negate my expertise in real estate. If I won an award for my real estate acumen, that STILL would not qualify me to speak to quantum physics. As to demons and ghosts still living in "black africa" (your words, dear Christel, not mine...), then education must happen to handle that. Education is NOT "this is a man-made virus designed to anhiliate the black race", but rather condoms, abstinence, and other areas of sex education. She would have FAR more effect if she were to use her influence in areas that would make a difference, rather than promoting some fear-mongering, baseless and frankly idiotic statements about the origins of AIDS/HIV. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #31 October 11, 2004 QuoteMister, she is qualified, yes of course! She's the one running around trying to enlighten, informing the generality. "Informing" is providing information. Misinforming is providing the incorrect information. That is the problem. She is misinforming people and she is not "enlightening" them. There are people/countries trying to help. By promoting mistrust towards them, she is actually adding to the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #32 October 11, 2004 "promulgate a specious rumor that has NO basis in fact." _________________________________________________ Have you done your own research that disproves this so called "rumor"? Here are a few tidbits. http://www.originofaids.com/ http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_aids_conspiracy/aids2.html http://www.cercidas.com/Conspiracy/AidsWeapon.htm http://www.rense.com/health/aids1.htm Also search: UN depopulation, Eugenics Instead of being a disinformationalist Read, research, discern, decide for yourself. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #33 October 11, 2004 Quote No, she's not qualified to promulgate a specious rumor that has NO basis in fact. If she were speaking about the environment, her area of specialty, then perhaps there might be something one could look at and say "hmmmm, possible..." but she is not. I am not qualified to speak authoritatively to quantum physics subjects, but that doesn't negate my expertise in real estate. If I won an award for my real estate acumen, that STILL would not qualify me to speak to quantum physics. She is. No doubt. Specious rumor:These were not her words! She is trying to do elucidation on that, trying to clarify these matters under hardest conditions. Trying to educate. QuoteAs to demons and ghosts still living in "black africa" (your words, dear Christel, not mine...) Not problem in that, I know what I said. ... and for the remaining text, see above! Would like to see if anyone around here (including me) would be courageous enough to do that job. You have no right at all to criticize that woman. I am sure she's more educated than most of, oh yeah, most of any folks hanging around here. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #34 October 11, 2004 Sure, Dr. William Campbell Douglass. He operates a PMS health clinic in Miami. He also wrote a book called "The Health Benefits of Tobacco". I don't think he's that much of an "expert reference" type. More of the expert-for-hire or snake-oil salesman. He'll take any position that puts him in the book-selling limelight. A lot of his writings discuss how communist secret agents infiltrated blood banks in the US and US military germ-warfare labs. He's kind of a conspiracy theorist when the conspiracy will sell. I am surprised that he didn't include space aliens. Dr. Nutcase-for-Money. You are right, people should do their own research. They also should filter out the huge piles of bull crap in some of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #35 October 11, 2004 QuoteShe is trying to do elucidation on that, trying to clarify these matters under hardest conditions. Trying to educate. She claimed that Aids was created to kill Blacks. She has no proof of that, and she has no special knowledge of that area like Michelle said. Getting a bunch of trees planted does NOT make her an expert on anything else. Getting a Nobel does NOT make her an expert on anything out side of the area she got it in. Some would say a Nobel is a load of crap...I mean Arafat got one for fricken PEACE of all things. Quote... and for the remaining text, see above! Would like to see if anyone around here (including me) would be courageous enough to do that job. Being courageous doe not make ones opinion of an area they know nothing about mean anything. Quote You have no right at all to criticize that woman We have all the right to criticize her ideas if that are that lame. QuoteI am sure she's more educated than most of, oh yeah, most of any folks hanging around here. If you have to be smarter or more educated to criticize someone...Before you slam Bush again I would like to see your MBA or higher degree from a well respected University."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #36 October 11, 2004 Sure, Dr. William Campbell Douglass. He operates a PMS health clinic in Miami. He also wrote a book called "The Health Benefits of Tobacco". I don't think he's that much of an "expert reference" type. More of the expert-for-hire or snake-oil salesman. He'll take any position that puts him in the book-selling limelight. A lot of his writings discuss how communist secret agents infiltrated blood banks in the US and US military germ-warfare labs. He's kind of a conspiracy theorist when the conspiracy will sell. I am surprised that he didn't include space aliens. Dr. Nutcase-for-Money. You are right, people should do their own research. They also should filter out the huge piles of bull crap in some of it. ____________________________________________________ He very well may have been paid to write book, but I have read independent research that proves that the interpretations of the studies done that deem that tobacco causes cancer, are seriously flawed. I look more to the sources in article and how it compares with other research. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #37 October 11, 2004 Hi Ron Wow. You were busy, Ron. Feeling bored? OK. Let me start with your very last sentence: BS. I do not "slam Bush again". "Again??" Where is the direct connection between your great president and actual thread? I don't see that. When I said "these were not her words", I meant: She is trying very hard to eliminate that opinion in the heads of her fellow-creatures. She's giving her best to remove that. "No knowledge of that area?" Who the heck, do you believe, will have? You, me or Michelle? Who has the right to criticize such a woman? No one of us. Being smarter, being... what? What do you want? What you wrote is **. Ron, I am surprised You're giving my post much more importance than required. Why? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #38 October 11, 2004 It's pretty easy to find an expert to support nearly any opinion. It's also easy to find an experienced swooper who will support a newbie getting an aggressive canopy. It's just that if all of the other experts think that guy is wrong, well, then the onus is on the exception to prove why he's right. At least within the scientific community. In the Nobel Prize department, Linus Pauling, who won individual prizes for both Chemistry and Peace, always impressed me. Pretty smart guy, wouldn't you say? He also espoused the thought that vitamin C was the preventive for many diseases, including colds and cardiovascular disease, and that taking it in large amounts would lead to a healthy extreme old age. He was in his 90's when he died. But, well, just because someone smart said it doesn't really make it true, does it? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #39 October 11, 2004 QuoteHi Ron Hi! QuoteWow. You were busy, Ron. Feeling bored? Nope. QuoteOK. Let me start with your very last sentence: BS. I do not "slam Bush again". "Again??" Where is the direct connection between your great president and actual thread? I don't see that. From other threads where you have slammed him. You claim that we are not as smart as this woman, therefore we should not question her. Unless you can provide proff of higher education than an MBA you should not question Bush. Simple huh? QuoteWhen I said "these were not her words", I meant: She is trying very hard to eliminate that opinion in the heads of her fellow-creatures. She's giving her best to remove that. She is saying that AIDS was created to kill Blacks. She has no proof and is using a Nobel prize to tout nonsense. And you are buying it. Quote"No knowledge of that area?" Who the heck, do you believe, will have? You, me or Michelle? I would tend to believe the Dr's that are looking into the issue of AIDS over some lady that got a prize for planting trees. QuoteWho has the right to criticize such a woman? No one of us. Your opinion only....I find it funny that she is above reproach from anyone, but you feel free to criticize Bush. QuoteRon, I am surprised You're giving my post much more importance than required. Why? I see a double standard...And that is a pet peeve of mine. You say we should not criticize this woman, but you feel free to criticize Bush and others for their opinions. That is about as double standard as you can get."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #40 October 11, 2004 QuoteHi Ron Hi! QuoteWow. You were busy, Ron. Feeling bored? Nope. QuoteOK. Let me start with your very last sentence: BS. I do not "slam Bush again". "Again??" Where is the direct connection between your great president and actual thread? I don't see that. From other threads where you have slammed him. You claim that we are not as smart as this woman, therefore we should not question her. Unless you can provide proff of higher education than an MBA you should not question Bush. Simple huh? QuoteWhen I said "these were not her words", I meant: She is trying very hard to eliminate that opinion in the heads of her fellow-creatures. She's giving her best to remove that. She is saying that AIDS was created to kill Blacks. She has no proof and is using a Nobel prize to tout nonsense. And you are buying it. Quote"No knowledge of that area?" Who the heck, do you believe, will have? You, me or Michelle? I would tend to believe the Dr's that are looking into the issue of AIDS over some lady that got a prize for planting trees. QuoteWho has the right to criticize such a woman? No one of us. Your opinion only....I find it funny that she is above reproach from anyone, but you feel free to criticize Bush. QuoteRon, I am surprised You're giving my post much more importance than required. Why? I see a double standard...And that is a pet peeve of mine. You say we should not criticize this woman, but you feel free to criticize Bush and others for their opinions. That is about as double standard as you can get Double standard as you can get: double triple Oh my Holy Moses dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #41 October 11, 2004 But, well, just because someone smart said it doesn't really make it true, does it? ____________________________________________________ Exactly read the evidence. Read, research, discern, decide for yourself. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #42 October 12, 2004 QuoteHave you done your own research that disproves this so called "rumor"? Yes. I did, several years ago, when I was wondering if there was any basis to that argument. Quotehttp://www.originofaids.com/ http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_aids_conspiracy/aids2.html http://www.cercidas.com/Conspiracy/AidsWeapon.htm http://www.rense.com/health/aids1.htm Also search: UN depopulation, Eugenics Sigh. Look. You lose me when you start ushering Rense references in. That guy is wonderful entertainment, along the lines of a poor man's Stephen King... To run a search on UN depopulation and eugenics is soemthing I hadn't done, primarly because the information in the other links are so ludicrous as to be laughable. QuoteInstead of being a disinformationalist. Read, research, discern, decide for yourself. What if I've ALREADY done that. What if I have read, researched and discerned for myself that claims along these lines are specious, frivilous, and absolutely idiotic? Your assumption that I haven't indicates an arrogance I find common in conspiracy theorists....and to condescend to me in that manner is rude. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #43 October 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote "She said (HIV/AIDS) was invented as a bio-weapon in some laboratory in the West," a senior State Department official said. As a scientist I hate to see when another scientist makes a statement like that. Where is the evidence? Without some strong evidence this is all horse shit. Exactly. Now who in the scientific or political communities will stand up and say bitch, unless you have some proof instead of some nipshit conspiracy theory, shut the fuck up 'cause you sound like an idiot? A Nobel prize is no excuse to just spout off at the mouth with any ol' idiotic rant, unproven and unsubstantiated. I mean, does her Nobel prize have anything to do with AIDS research? It'd be like someone winning an Academy Award for a documentary film and then running off at the mouth with some drivel about the presidential race or something. Where's the connection? Where's the relevance? -Jeffrey This is true. Just like being born with a silver spoon, being given an oil company to run into the ground and owning a ball team doesn't qualify you to be President of the USA. OMFG what on earth does this have to do with President Bush!!!! How many times have I seen Ron or Anvil or somebody say, "Watch how quickly a liberal takes this and mentions Bush" and I have to say, it is sooooo true. Can't you discuss a single thing without having to drag out that tired subject and bash Bush? It seems ridiculous -- your comment is utterly detached from anything, and seems to do nothing but underscore a pathological-seeming need to make everything into an opportunity to tell us -- again -- how much you loathe and disrespect the man. Really -- why? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #44 October 12, 2004 QuoteYou have no right at all to criticize that woman. We have every right, at all times, to freely criticize. What are you trying to say? That some people are so above reproach that our first amendment right to speak freely is squelched because of their stature, and our right is void in such circumstances?? That's bizarre thinking. I reserve every right to criticize that woman. She is promulgating a bizarre suspicion and accusation that she has not substantiated and cannot substantiate! It is indefensible to just make an accusation and then clam up when it comes to proving what you claimed is true. The woman deserves all the criticism she gets, and I'll be damned if I'll stop it just because you claim I have "no right at all to criticize." -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #45 October 12, 2004 QuoteShe is. No doubt. Specious rumor:These were not her words! Really? She was not quoted as saying this? Well, I just ran a quickie search, and came up with several reputable links (unlike Rense), and they say she did...and if she didn't, then where is her retraction, denial, or qualifiers??? If I was attributed saying something along these lines, and I hadn't said it I would be all over every media possible demanding a retraction because it tarnishs my reputation....but she hasn't, has she? If so, can you give me a link?? Here are my links.... Gulf Daily News Times Of India ABC QuoteShe is trying to do elucidation on that, trying to clarify these matters under hardest conditions. Trying to educate. Good for her...educate away. But education is about learning facts, not spreading specious rumors and promulgating bullshit...that's diseducation, imho....and she is doing a huge disservice to those who listen to her. She's doing a significant wrong to her own people in Kenya and elsewhere. [Quote] As to demons and ghosts still living in "black africa" (your words, dear Christel, not mine...) Not problem in that, I know what I said. Alright, then I guess you don't realize there are caucasian africans, who are at the same risk as the 'black africa' you refer to. Quote... and for the remaining text, see above! Would like to see if anyone around here (including me) would be courageous enough to do that job. Which above? Where? To whom do you refer? As for people being courageous to do that job, I most certainly hope I don't have the courage to lie, spread false information, and generally show up to the picnic without sandwiches....in other words, hello, there are quite a few people who do their part, and who also participate on these boards. Do I think they'll receive the Nobel prize for environmental issues? No, but whatever. It still doesn't qualify her to discuss AIDS/HIV... QuoteYou have no right at all to criticize that woman. I am sure she's more educated than most of, oh yeah, most of any folks hanging around here. I absolutely do...and as Ron said, if education is a requirement of critical thinking, then I'd like to see your qualifications to criticize me.....however, should I step up and start discussing - with no education (formal or informal) and no authority - quantum physics, feel free to be as critical of the theory as you like. If I start using an award given me for something, that's what I'm qualified to speak to...but if I start talking about something other than what I won the award for and use my position as a award winner to influence people with misinformation, that's utter bullshit...and not even worth the time it takes to type this post. Elitist attitudes are unjustifiable in any regard. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #46 October 12, 2004 So where is the research that disproves the "rumor"? You are using disinformation tactics, aviod discussing the evidence, anti-conspiratorial, rumor mongering, and personal attacks, and provide no information. You attack information and research simply because it appears on a particular website. Typical reaction when confronted with something that challenges your beliefs and status quo. So please support your findings instead of belligerently assailing others. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #47 October 12, 2004 QuoteSo where is the research that disproves the "rumor"? Aren't you aware that when someone makes an accusation, particularly a wild one, it is incumbent on the ACCUSER to provide proof that the accusation is true; it is not for the accused to prove that it is false. If you say that I was in a liquor store robbing it on Saturday night, it is not up to me to gather all the proof of where I had been, when all you have to do is prove simply that I was there. Likewise, how does one prove that HIV was NOT deliberately created? One would have to actually come up with proof of HOW it was created in order to say, "See? We proved it came from X source, which means concurrently that it could not have come from Y source." You couldn't clear your name if you were accused of creating HIV unless you could prove the REAL source of its creation. That's the answer to your question: you don't demand proof of innocence, you demand proof of guilt. QuoteTypical reaction when confronted with something that challenges your beliefs and status quo. So please support your findings instead of belligerently assailing others. When someone makes an accusation, the accused does not have to come up with "findings" to prove the falsity of the accusation. The accuser has to come up with "findings" (evidence) to support the accusation to the point where it is found to be fact. This woman has done no such thing. It's no better than people accusing Clinton of ordering Vince Foster's death and then saying, "Come on, prove he didn't!" That tactic is laughable, and beneath contempt. It's utterly specious. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #48 October 12, 2004 Quote"promulgate a specious rumor that has NO basis in fact." _________________________________________________ Have you done your own research that disproves this so called "rumor"? Here are a few tidbits. http://www.originofaids.com/ http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_aids_conspiracy/aids2.html http://www.cercidas.com/Conspiracy/AidsWeapon.htm http://www.rense.com/health/aids1.htm Also search: UN depopulation, Eugenics Instead of being a disinformationalist Read, research, discern, decide for yourself. You seem passionate about this, but not passionate enough to go to the effort to make these clickies? Come on, it's not hard. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #49 October 12, 2004 Quote So where is the research that disproves the "rumor"? It is not incumbent upon me to prove my position. Rather, it is incumbent upon the rumormonger to prove their rumors. She can't. You can't. Therefore, the point is moot. QuoteYou are using disinformation tactics, aviod discussing the evidence, anti-conspiratorial, rumor mongering, and personal attacks, and provide no information. What disinformation tactics am I using? That I discount, out of hand, sites like Rense, who discuss ad nauseum, reptilian ancestry of the royal family? That quotes David Icke as a credible source? That promotes paranoid thinking? That's my opinion. I'm allowed to state it. Deal with that, and find credible sources, and perhaps there will be something to discuss. I am anti conspiratorial in this instance, yes...why not? What rumors have I promulgated? If there were evidence - credible, trustworthy, reliable, and in this instance reproducible - there might be something to discuss. I've yet to see that evidence. . Next, you'll be referencing hegemonical plots, the TriLateral Commission, "chemtrails," shapeshifters, and so on. QuoteYou attack information and research simply because it appears on a particular website. Typical reaction when confronted with something that challenges your beliefs and status quo. You have no idea what I've read, researched, and "discerned." But like others, when someone doesn't agree with you, it's not because they've researched, read, and discerned things already....it's simply because they have a "challenged status quo", and that their opinion differs from yours. Trust me. I am far more capable of researching, googling, reading, and discerning what is realistic and what is a scifi fantasy no better than a cheap pocket softcover than you would believe. Impugn my opinions simply because they don't agree with yours, and I start thinking you have no respect for others' opinions...and only because they don't agree with you, not because you're right or have an even slightly defensible position... QuoteSo please support your findings instead of belligerently assailing others. Rightyo......as soon as you present something that is not of questionable sourcing, adequately researched in a medical facility, and not taken (in whole or in part) from Rense, David Icke, and/or others along that line. Can't find any? Perhaps that's because fringe, disenfranchised, and marginalized people are the ones that believe that HIV/AIDs was designed and made to "depopulate" "black Africa..." Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites free_man 0 #50 October 12, 2004 Sorry about the clickies. I am not defending the woman, I think she is a Socialist stooge, does not mean that what she said is wrong. I find it ironic that the UN has a depopulation program, and she gets the nobel from them. She does not understand that the very people behind the organization she gets the award from are the same ones behind depopulation, eugenics, and as far as I have been able to research, the AIDS virus. I did not make any accusations. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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peacefuljeffrey 0 #48 October 12, 2004 Quote"promulgate a specious rumor that has NO basis in fact." _________________________________________________ Have you done your own research that disproves this so called "rumor"? Here are a few tidbits. http://www.originofaids.com/ http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_aids_conspiracy/aids2.html http://www.cercidas.com/Conspiracy/AidsWeapon.htm http://www.rense.com/health/aids1.htm Also search: UN depopulation, Eugenics Instead of being a disinformationalist Read, research, discern, decide for yourself. You seem passionate about this, but not passionate enough to go to the effort to make these clickies? Come on, it's not hard. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #49 October 12, 2004 Quote So where is the research that disproves the "rumor"? It is not incumbent upon me to prove my position. Rather, it is incumbent upon the rumormonger to prove their rumors. She can't. You can't. Therefore, the point is moot. QuoteYou are using disinformation tactics, aviod discussing the evidence, anti-conspiratorial, rumor mongering, and personal attacks, and provide no information. What disinformation tactics am I using? That I discount, out of hand, sites like Rense, who discuss ad nauseum, reptilian ancestry of the royal family? That quotes David Icke as a credible source? That promotes paranoid thinking? That's my opinion. I'm allowed to state it. Deal with that, and find credible sources, and perhaps there will be something to discuss. I am anti conspiratorial in this instance, yes...why not? What rumors have I promulgated? If there were evidence - credible, trustworthy, reliable, and in this instance reproducible - there might be something to discuss. I've yet to see that evidence. . Next, you'll be referencing hegemonical plots, the TriLateral Commission, "chemtrails," shapeshifters, and so on. QuoteYou attack information and research simply because it appears on a particular website. Typical reaction when confronted with something that challenges your beliefs and status quo. You have no idea what I've read, researched, and "discerned." But like others, when someone doesn't agree with you, it's not because they've researched, read, and discerned things already....it's simply because they have a "challenged status quo", and that their opinion differs from yours. Trust me. I am far more capable of researching, googling, reading, and discerning what is realistic and what is a scifi fantasy no better than a cheap pocket softcover than you would believe. Impugn my opinions simply because they don't agree with yours, and I start thinking you have no respect for others' opinions...and only because they don't agree with you, not because you're right or have an even slightly defensible position... QuoteSo please support your findings instead of belligerently assailing others. Rightyo......as soon as you present something that is not of questionable sourcing, adequately researched in a medical facility, and not taken (in whole or in part) from Rense, David Icke, and/or others along that line. Can't find any? Perhaps that's because fringe, disenfranchised, and marginalized people are the ones that believe that HIV/AIDs was designed and made to "depopulate" "black Africa..." Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #50 October 12, 2004 Sorry about the clickies. I am not defending the woman, I think she is a Socialist stooge, does not mean that what she said is wrong. I find it ironic that the UN has a depopulation program, and she gets the nobel from them. She does not understand that the very people behind the organization she gets the award from are the same ones behind depopulation, eugenics, and as far as I have been able to research, the AIDS virus. I did not make any accusations. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
