Nobel peace laureate says AIDS deliberately created

[tunaplanet 0]

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does not mean that what she said is wrong.

Oh, brother. I thought we quit believing conspiracy theories after Bigfoot and the fake moon landing.

Don't you like evidence before you jump on board with something or do you just believe anything someone says based on the idea that "they may be right"?

Give me a break.

Forty-two

[DrunkMonkey 0]

I think this all smells of a Uber-Socialist trying to guilt more foreign aid out of The "Evil White Man" for the "Victimized Africans."

She's an idiot, not qualified to speak on this topic, and Alfred Nobel is spinning in his grave so fast you could hook up a turbine and power the Las Vegas Strip.

She's an idiot who's shit-stirring to attract attention to her cause.

Some Europeans and UberLiberals will try to make this a case of the "Evil White Man." Soooo:

Speaking to Dr Asshat as a Western Evil White Male: "Fuck you. This is no-ones fault, other than those who continue to fuck HIV carriers unprotected, despite all efforts of the "Evil West" to teach you safer sex. Fuck YOU."

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Sorry about the clickies. I am not defending the woman, I think she is a Socialist stooge, does not mean that what she said is wrong.

If you asked me the square root of 324,768,237, and I guessed at it, that also doesn't mean my answer is wrong. But how likely is it to be right?

The woman made a wild claim that we know she cannot prove, and she doesn't say who can prove it, either. Therefore it is irresponsible and wrong of her to make the assertion, since she has nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to back it up.

Yes, it's possiible that in the future someone will prove what she asserted, but given that she is claiming proof before there is proof, that would mean her claims' correctness was just coincidental.

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I find it ironic that the UN has a depopulation program, and she gets the nobel from them. She does not understand that the very people behind the organization she gets the award from are the same ones behind depopulation, eugenics, and as far as I have been able to research, the AIDS virus.

Wait, are you saying "depopulation" in the sense of "forest clearing" of the people who live there, like "genocide"? Or are you talking about saving them from themselves and their rampant overbreeding, which is demonstrable fact?

And what is this "as far as I have been able to research, the AIDS virus"? Have you actually researched the pathology of AIDS, or just gone looking for stuff on the internet that other people "researched"? I mean, you've apparently found stuff that has led you to believe that this woman is correct, that AIDS was brought about intentionally. Do you think, really, that given how huge that news would be, that the only reason it is not on CNN, NBC, and coming out of the mouth of the noble Dan Rather is that the people responsible for it exercise that much control over the media? By what means do they threaten or intimidate people who dedicate their lives to spreading the information they can find?!

Please copy and paste some of what you claim is proof of how AIDS was concocted on purpose. I'd like to see whathas you so convinced.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[InflightSupv 0]

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I find it ironic that the UN has a depopulation program, and she gets the nobel from them. She does not understand that the very people behind the organization she gets the award from are the same ones behind depopulation, eugenics, and as far as I have been able to research, the AIDS virus.

I wasn't aware that the UN granted the Nobel Prize.

It is granted by the Nobel Institute in Norway.

As far as AIDS, it is killing all races of people everywhere. Worldwide Stats on AIDS

The reason that it is affecting people in Africa at a higher rate is simply education. The developing world does not have a high rate of education for their people to understand the causes of this disease.

It would be kinda stupid for someone to engineer a black race killing disease that kills everyone of all races.

What an idiot this chick is.

[free_man 0]

You obviously did not look at any of the research.

You can only attack the messenger. I post rense.com because there are numerous good articles stored on webpage for reference, but.you imply guilt by association and attack research on the basis of the messenger.

You resort to labeling, and name calling, can you do anything other than ridicule, antagonize, and avoid the issue?

If you can dispell the "rumor", please provide me with the info.

The charges you make against the messenger have nothing to do with the facts or the issues.

I have never quoted Icke or rense.

I believe Dr. Horowitz has done some of the best research in this area, is he wrong?

Early Hepatitis B Vaccines and the “Man-Made” Origin of HIV/AIDS
http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm

I never said that AIDS was specifically created to depopulate African Blacks.

However I do state that agencies in the US government have engaged in BIO weapons development, that coincide incredibly with the discovery of AIDS. And have a proven track record of producing, and misusing such technologies. And from the research I have seen it is pretty clear where AIDS was developed.

SEE ATTACHED HB 15090
(I have copy, file to big to attach)
find it here
http://community-2.webtv.net/LikingLArry/IsTheAIDSVirusMan/

"2. Within the next 5 to 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refactory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease."

4. "It is a highly controversial issue, and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken lest it lead to yet another method of massive killing of large populations."



More proof:

http://www.boydgraves.com/news/112802.html

“…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.”
Bill Hicks, Relentless

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

For christ's sake, please click on the "get markup help" button and learn how to make links out of your URLs.

I would have thought you'd have done that after the first time it was mentioned...


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Michele 1]

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You obviously did not look at any of the research.

You must've missed the part where I said I had done this years ago when the question first came to my awareness. Sorry it's taken you so long, but this isn't the first time I've seen this claim (although tis the first time a Nobel Laureate has made it...)

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You can only attack the messenger. I post rense.com because there are numerous good articles stored on webpage for reference, but.you imply guilt by association and attack research on the basis of the messenger.

When one of the links you provided closed with the statement that there will be a massive depopulation by 2000, and that very obviously didn't happen, I will discount his conclusions. If you rely solely upon him to form your conclusions, may I suggest more reasearch - and not simply of the topics or in the genre you prefer...look at all information available, research and read and discern from a wide data set, and you're more likely to at least bolster your preconceptions by addressing those arguments which arise from your opponent.

That's not attacking you, btw. It's saying do more of your own research, and don't attack me for not reading your links (which, sadly, I did...).

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You resort to labeling, and name calling, can you do anything other than ridicule, antagonize, and avoid the issue?

While my post may have antagonized you, twas not done to piss you off. Oh well. I haven't avoided the issue, I've just not changed my mind to comport to yours. Thus, I am wrong. It is that sort of elitist attitude which rankles me...the "read this, and then you'll think like I do and I'm right" attitude. Dpesn't matter to me...I'll still sleep very well.

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If you can dispell the "rumor", please provide me with the info.

Again, 'tis not my job to dispell a rumor...tis the rumormonger's job to prove their assertions.

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The charges you make against the messenger have nothing to do with the facts or the issues.

No, but they have everything to do with the sourcing you've chosen. The choice of sources you align yourself with is pitiful, and is not independent, reproducible material in any way. Thus, if that's your sole source of the information, you (the messenger) are sadly misinformed, in my opinion.

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I have never quoted Icke or rense.

I believe Dr. Horowitz has done some of the best research in this area, is he wrong?

Early Hepatitis B Vaccines and the “Man-Made” Origin of HIV/AIDS
http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm

I never said that AIDS was specifically created to depopulate African Blacks.

However I do state that agencies in the US government have engaged in BIO weapons development, that coincide incredibly with the discovery of AIDS. And have a proven track record of producing, and misusing such technologies. And from the research I have seen it is pretty clear where AIDS was developed.

Then why did you link Rense? If you didn't quote him, fine, but you've directed people to his website, and anyone can tell you that his website is reflective of how he thinks....and yet, if you are referencing the pages of "articles" on his site.

Your conclusions about AIDs is sadly lacking in a firm foundation in reality. And that's your choice. However, to condescend to me because I don't agree with you is, frankly, silly.

Have a good one, Free_man....

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[free_man 0]

Michele,

I am done dancing.

If you can prove that Aids was not developed by US government, please provide me with where I can get info, if not you can only resort to disinformation.

All I seek is the truth. I can deal with it and live on.

3-2-1 c-ya


"All truth passes through 3 stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident".
-Arthur Schopenhauer


"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists".
J. Edgar Hoover, former head of the FBI


"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
Richard Salant, former President of CBS News


"Any truth is better than make-believe... rather than love, than money than fame, give me truth."
Henry David Thoreau


"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened."
Winston Churchill

“…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.”
Bill Hicks, Relentless

[Michele 1]

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I am done dancing.

Cool. I'll turn off the music. (I didn't know we were dancing...is that why the tops of my feet hurt?)

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f you can prove that Aids was not developed by US government, please provide me with where I can get info, if not you can only resort to disinformation.

If you can prove that AIDS was developed by US government, please provide me with where I can get info, if not you can only resort to disinformation.

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All I seek is the truth. I can deal with it and live on.

Finally. Something we can both agree on. Hot damn!

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Casurf1978 0]

Intrestring articles, but the first case of AIDS can be traced to a man in the Congo back to the 1950s. His blood was tested for the HIV virus and it came out positive. So now here's the real mind f. If we didn't know about DNA till the 1950s how the hell could we manipulate a virus, especially the HIV one, w/o knowing about DNA. Hell it took Dr.Gallo and the French, flame away , years since the first case came up in the States to isolate this bug. They couldnt even get enough of this sucker for viable readings.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Intrestring articles, but the first case of AIDS can be traced to a man in the Congo back to the 1950s. His blood was tested for the HIV virus and it came out positive. So now here's the real mind f. If we didn't know about DNA till the 1950s how the hell could we manipulate a virus, especially the HIV one, w/o knowing about DNA. Hell it took Dr.Gallo and the French, flame away , years since the first case came up in the States to isolate this bug. They couldnt even get enough of this sucker for viable readings.

That type of stuff just doesn't matter when a person eats up crackpot theories. It's easy not to hear reason with your fingers plugged into your ears. That's why so many people are fans of ArtBell...

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[free_man 0]

The History of the Development of AIDS
http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/


"(President) Clinton has recently issued a presidential pardon for Dr. Robert Gallo of the Sloan Kettering Cancer Institue for any deeds done while in their employment. Gallo was the virologist working on monkey viruses. Dr. Peter Duesberg was working on chicken viruses. We both know where this research ended up."

“…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.”
Bill Hicks, Relentless

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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The History of the Development of AIDS
http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/


"(President) Clinton has recently issued a presidential pardon for Dr. Robert Gallo of the Sloan Kettering Cancer Institue for any deeds done while in their employment. Gallo was the virologist working on monkey viruses. Dr. Peter Duesberg was working on chicken viruses. We both know where this research ended up."

A virus that turns people into beaked, prehensile-tailed chicken-monkey monstrosities?!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[skydyvr 0]

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If you can prove that Aids was not developed by US government, please provide me with where I can get info, if not you can only resort to disinformation.

If you can prove that you haven't been beating your wife for the last five years, please provide me with where I can get info, if not you can only resort to disinformation.

Is she doing ok these days?

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[free_man 0]

I'm not married.

“…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.”
Bill Hicks, Relentless

[skydyvr 0]

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I'm not married.

If you choose to miss the point then by all means, enjoy.

. . =(_8^(1)

[Duckwater 0]

I want to know who created the disease that has infected ALL females and makes them not want to have sex with me!!!!!

It has spread like wildfire!

Please! I emplore you, FIND A CURE!!!!!!

Mike

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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If you can prove that Aids was not developed by US government, please provide me with where I can get info, if not you can only resort to disinformation.

If you can prove that you haven't been beating your wife for the last five years, please provide me with where I can get info, if not you can only resort to disinformation.

Is she doing ok these days?

He says he's not married.

Then he must have KILLED her!!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[christelsabine 1]

Hi, how nice to meet you again, where have you been so long?

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We have every right, at all times, to freely criticize.

Yes you have, like everybody. Sometimes, it only needs some basics.

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What are you trying to say? That some people are so above reproach that our first amendment right to speak freely is squelched because of their stature, and our right is void in such circumstances?? That's bizarre thinking.

I am of course not "trying to say.." something. I said something, right?

What you mentioned with the above seems just to be your way to interpret what you read.

That's OK. I don't mind too much.

Last but not least: I second what I said before.
That's my freedom of speech and my point of view.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[happythoughts 0]

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We have every right, at all times, to freely criticize.

Yes you have, like everybody. Sometimes, it only needs some basics.

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What are you trying to say? That some people are so above reproach that our first amendment right to speak freely is squelched because of their stature, and our right is void in such circumstances?? That's bizarre thinking.

I am of course not "trying to say.." something. I said something, right?
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Last but not least: I second what I said before.
That's my freedom of speech and my point of view.

So... you did say that we should not criticize this woman. But we have the right to... and everyone does... but we shouldn't. Would it be ok if we agreed with you?

You said that you have the freedom of speech, and we do, but we shouldn't use it?
It certainly will shorten up the debate on issues when you are the only one who can express opinions.

[juanesky 0]

The thing is Bill, that you don't need to use facts when you are a liberal-Better than anybody else European. You just need false facts, movies-books from MM and whatever they think is righteous. Even when consenting to corrupt tradings by the UN, and pretend it has nothing with the issue that SH was just a danger........

Hey for what we hear in these forums, some even agree that having sex with a minor is ok.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[christelsabine 1]

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I want to know who created the disease that has infected ALL females and makes them not want to have sex with me!!!!!

It has spread like wildfire!

Please! I emplore you, FIND A CURE!!!!!!

Wow! That sounds hard. You need help, that's for sure.

Just as an idea:
Probably someone from the dark depth of African jungle put a spell on you?

Next proposal: What's about a new mirror and some aftershave?

(that idea just came from the bad, bad and uneducated part of my family, called my big son ) I think I'll go and beat him up a little bit )

Otherwise, don't worry: If you just catched a normal virus, it will be over in few days. And all pretty girls will come back and chase you until you cry for help.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[christelsabine 1]

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The thing is Bill, that you don't need to use facts when you are a liberal-Better than anybody else European. You just need false facts, movies-books from MM and whatever they think is righteous. Even when consenting to corrupt tradings by the UN, and pretend it has nothing with the issue that SH was just a danger

Hi stranger,

Are you of the opinion it needs two posters to reply to one of my posts? OK, go on then.

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Hey for what we hear in these forums, some even agree that having sex with a minor is ok

Could you kindly explain that just a little bit more in detail?

With my poor English knowledge I am afraid to interpret it wrong, so you probably are doing yourself and some others a disservice, you know ?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[christelsabine 1]

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Maybe, but in your eyes being a war criminal IS exactly what the Nation needs in a CiC

Hi Ron,

I am a little late in replying to your post but, still curious:

About whom are you talking? You kindly translated meaning of CIC to me. But whom do you consider beeing a war criminal? Talking about your next president, good looking guy Kerry?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[Casurf1978 0]

Intresting read, but it just seems way too far fecthed conspiracy theory BS for me. If you look at the history of virology his argument doesnt make sense. He also states that we tested AIDS in sheep . I think he wants to say HIV. Someone can have HIV and not have AIDS. Someone that is HIV+ can give you HIV but not AIDS. AIDS cannot be transmitted to sheeps, monkeys or any animal. AIDS is caused by HIV and your CD4+ cell count going under 200. Even this simple mistake on his part makes me doubt the validity of his theory. It's plain and simple BS.